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[Trampled Underfoot]

I'm haggling? All I'm doing is showing how your comments and points are not accurate, and I'm having to jump through all your hoops to make that happen. I do it because I respect you and your thoughts, most of the time.

You make points that are not true, and you try to paint me as being wrong - for one thing - and somehow make me seem like I'm perpetrating some kind of grift, and I keep exposing each one of your new grifts.

You are wrong, repeatedly, and that's all I'm trying to show here. You won't admit it, and that's fine. It's not haggling, it's continually proving you to be wrong. And I've done that repeatedly, in this thread.

Carry on with your next deflection. Talk about grifting - you are proven wrong on point after point, and you just keep moving on to other points.

Carry on, Wayne. Have a good one. :0074

Is this thread dead?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

By your own admission your haggling over 7/100 of 1% over 16 year period-- and economy vs jobs.

-do you now find it amazing - how the drive by media can portray each adminstration so differently as if they were on opposite ends of the spectrum--and one had both the worst man made and natural disasters to contend with.

I don't know Tramp you got anything else to add to above.


One thing bout Chad--he will dig in and seek out the truth--and I certainly believe his research has changed his view (and others) on drive by media myth of economy/jobs in Bush Addmin

--You on the other hand are confined to (one liners ) void of any research- generally laced with profanity but always spell checked.

Evidently you been doing the :00x7
through entire thread.

 

[Trench]

I don't know Tramp you got anything else to add to above.

One thing bout Chad--he will dig in and seek out the truth--and I certainly believe his research has changed his view (and others) on drive by media myth of economy/jobs in Bush Addmin

Dogs hasn't figured out yet that it's not where you start a race that counts. It's where you finish.

:0003

 

[Chadman]

One thing bout Chad--he will dig in and seek out the truth--and I certainly believe his research has changed his view (and others) on drive by media myth of economy/jobs in Bush Addmin

Well, usually I dig in when I should be doing something else more important or productive, so I can't really take credit for that... :SIB

But I am wondering exactly what you think I changed my view on based on anything in this thread? If anything, my view was proven to be exactly correct, and I learned that Clinton had a better jobs record in any measure we discussed, than Bush had. My own personal digging found sources that my own personal work proved to be accurate. There was nothing drive by media mythic about any of it. I hate that term, by the way - usually those who use it are guilty of that exact thing, which I think you are guilty of in this thread (and others) Wayne. Making comments that are wrong, messing around with the words and quotes to suit your points, etc.

I was merely fact-checking here, and getting some things clear. I did learn some things, just not the things you are hinting I did.

 

[rusty]

I believe I put up video and did say they said worst job record instead of economy--did you miss the splitting hairs.

Bottom line- the drive by media--liberal element in general has tried to rewrite history for 2 decades depicting Clinton era best thing since sliced bread and GW worst since great depression and did pretty good job of duping the sheep.

The facts prove quite different--

I expect you as an educator to teach those facts you discovered in this thread --and put those graphs (from pelosi) and stats from obscure sources and what you want to believe in perspective.

So now that we got clinton/gw grift cleared up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Maybe we can move on to Gumby and driving the car in the ditch.

Clinton ran from left 1st 2 years with dismal results and saw rebs take over congress for 1st time in decades (they remained in power in congress from 94 to 2006--some of most prosperous times in history.
Since all spending bills originate in house and all tax laws voted on in congress--the facts would lead me to believe Gumby's trying to rewrite history also--and will pay the price as Clinton in 94.
--and what say you?

DTB,Clinton inherited the first 2 years from your buddy's Dad,WAKE UP!!Why you always one-sided and plain Jane??

Presidency (1989?1993)
Official portrait of George H. W. Bush.
Chief Justice William Rehnquist administering the oath of office to Bush during Inaugural ceremonies at the United States Capitol, January 20, 1989.

Bush was inaugurated on January 20, 1989, succeeding Ronald Reagan. He entered office at a period of change in the world; the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of Soviet Union came early in his presidency.[38] He ordered military operations in Panama and the Persian Gulf[38] and, at one point, was recorded as having a record-high approval rating of 89 percent.[39] However, economic recession and breaking his "no new taxes" pledge caused a sharp decline in his approval rating, and Bush was defeated in the 1992 election.[38]

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I don't know Tramp you got anything else to add to above.


One thing bout Chad--he will dig in and seek out the truth--and I certainly believe his research has changed his view (and others) on drive by media myth of economy/jobs in Bush Addmin

--You on the other hand are confined to (one liners ) void of any research- generally laced with profanity but always spell checked.

Evidently you been doing the :00x7
through entire thread.

You're right. I don't do research anymore for fools like you. Not worth my time. I'm amazed at the time that is spent on here for no reason at all.

Don't you know you are cutting into your time where you can be selling more insurance?

 

[StevieD]

I love how the Corporate Media has these guys thinking there is a Liberal Media. Bush lost everything because.....things were going good? I don't think so.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I love how the Corporate Media has these guys thinking there is a Liberal Media. Bush lost everything because.....things were going good? I don't think so.

Who owns the media? That is the only question you have to ask.

Are the journalists liberal? Could be. But who cares? They do as their bosses tell them to do. They aren't free to write about whatever they want. That is like suggesting that the checkers at WalMart make the rules. They don't. They do as they are told.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

But I am wondering exactly what you think I changed my view on based on anything in this thread? If anything, my view was proven to be exactly correct, and I learned that Clinton had a better jobs record in any measure we discussed, than Bush had. My own personal digging found sources that my own personal work proved to be accurate. There was nothing drive by media mythic about any of it. I hate that term, by the way - usually those who use it are guilty of that exact thing, which I think you are guilty of in this thread (and others) Wayne. Making comments that are wrong, messing around with the words and quotes to suit your points, etc.

I was merely fact-checking here, and getting some things clear. I did learn some things, just not the things you are hinting I did.

:facepalm:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Dems on deficit--

--another Pelosi quote--with video in link
Don't forget to vote next week

Debt Has Increased $5 Trillion Since Speaker Pelosi Vowed, 'No New Deficit Spending'...

:0corn

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

apparently no one disputing the spending/debt grifts-

on to the next--

How about changing washington/america's image??


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101026/ts_nm/us_corruption_transparency


U.S. slips to historic low in global corruption index



<CITE class=vcard>By Dave Graham Dave Graham </CITE>? <ABBR class=recenttimedate title=2010-10-26T01:38:47-0700>1 hr 13 mins ago</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->BERLIN (Reuters) ? The United States has dropped out of the "top 20" in a global league table of least corrupt nations, tarnished by financial scandals and the influence of money in politics, [COLOR=#366388 !important][FONT=arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif][COLOR=#366388 !important][FONT=arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif]Transparency [/FONT][COLOR=#366388 !important][FONT=arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif]International[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] said on Tuesday.

Somalia was judged the most corrupt country, followed by Myanmar and Afghanistan at joint second-worst and then by Iraq, in the Berlin-based watchdog TI's annual corruption perceptions index (CPI).

The United States fell to 22nd from 19th last year, with its CPI score dropping to 7.1 from 7.5 in the 178-nation index, which is based on independent surveys on corruption.

This was the lowest score awarded to the United States in the index's 15-year history and also the first time it had fallen out of the top 20.

:0corn

 

[Trench]

BERLIN (Reuters) ? The United States has dropped out of the "top 20" in a global league table of least corrupt nations, tarnished by financial scandals and the influence of money in politics

:0corn

Financial scandals? Thank the deregulation of the financial sector during the Bush Administration which resulted in the wolves watching the Wall Street hen-house.

Influence of money in politics? Thank the conservative court (SCOTUS) for the Citizens United ruling last January giving corporations the same rights as individuals to contribute to political campaigns.

I shouldn't have to explain these things to you Dogs. Any high school poli-sci student is aware of these things.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

--and on to next topic

--"no washington as usual".
====================

Yep we got "the change"

They passed major bills on strictly partisan basis--in the middle of the night--often requiring open bribes to their own party members if necessary.

Washington politics transformed to Chicago politics.

--no lobbist

1. SEIU's top lobbyist, and former SEIU president Andy Stern was the most frequent vistor to the White House...

--from inaugaration to july 2009 alone--22 times

The White House released an incomplete list of visitors who met with President Obama and top White House officials. Predictably, Andy Stern, President of the Service Employees International Union, stopped by the White House more than any other visitor. The Wall Street Journal Reports:

?Andrew Stern visited the White House 22 times between Inauguration Day and July 31, meeting with President Barack Obama seven times and leading all visitors recorded during that period.?


:0corn
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[Chadman]

Financial scandals? Thank the deregulation of the financial sector during the Bush Administration which resulted in the wolves watching the Wall Street hen-house.

Influence of money in politics? Thank the conservative court (SCOTUS) for the Citizens United ruling last January giving corporations the same rights as individuals to contribute to political campaigns.

I shouldn't have to explain these things to you Dogs. Any high school poli-sci student is aware of these things.

I see Wayne zipped right over this post. You saved me the time of posting something much like it, especially the influence of money in politics angle. Two reasons given, the country moves 3 places down in a year, both reasons were as you mention.

Coincidence? I think not. Thanks, Wayne, for posting this. It does give some perspective of why the country is moving downwards in the eyes of the rest of the world... :0074