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Found this one at Olympic - Prop #185/186:

Will there be a successful 2 point conversion. Wager is on if there will be a successful 2 point conversion in Game. A 2 point conversion has to be attempted for wager to have action.

185 Yes +400
186 No -600

Read the rules carefully and I think you'll find you have a good edge on betting Yes. Now I could be wrong, but I believe 2-pters are successful pretty close to 50% of the time. 4 to 1 payoff on this if someone makes one...and a refund if there isn't one attempted. What am I missing here, is this not definitely worth a shot??? Hit it before they realize their mistake I think.
 

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You would say No??

Why would you turn down a 50% chance to quadruple your money (assuming 50% conversion rate is accurate). Or if two 2-pters are attempted, you now have a 75% chance to quadruple your money. If none are attempted you risk nothing. Chances are very good your bet won't even have action, but if it does how can you turn this down? It's just math!!
 

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That's a great prop if you're right about the "NO ACTION" part.

I suspect it was an error and it will be changed.
 

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I dont think this is a bad risk.....but just FYI.....the successful conversion rate for 2 point attempts in the NFL historically is slightly below 40 percent
 

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Well, the terms haven't changed, but the odds sure have! "Yes" is now @ only +230. I guess a few people took a shot at this? I locked in @ +400 right after writing this last night. :D Not sure if the value is there on it anymore, esp if the 40% figure is correct. I was pretty sure it was higher than 40% though. I recall seeing it this low when the 2-pter was new, but that the success rate had been climbing each year since then.

Well, good luck to all of us that got on it.
 

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Dug up this article on a sports website from this past December. It's just slightly under 40 since its inception....but I think they rounded off. Anyway....like I said...I still think its a worthwhile bet.....and am just trying to help... good luck.



Blame Dick Vermeil for Giants loss to Titans
By BBWC Staff
Date: Dec 2, 2002

When Vermeil was the offensive coordinator for UCLA, he and the head coach Tommy Prothro created a chart of when to go for two-point conversions based on the number of points a team was either leading by or trailing by. Maybe this works in college, but NFL coaches should throw the chart in the trash.

Most NFL coaches, including Fassel, have the chart in their pocket on game day and refer to it for each conversion. Here's a copy of the chart:

LEAD BY TRAIL BY
1 point Go for 2 1 point Go for 2
2 points Go for 1 2 points Go for 2
3 points Go for 1 3 points Go for 1
4 points Go for 2 4 points Decision
5 points Go for 2 5 points Go for 2
6 points Go for 1 6 points Go for 1
7 points Go for 1 7 points Go for 1
8 points Go for 1 8 points Go for 1
9 points Go for 1 9 points Go for 2
10 points Go for 1 10 points Go for 1
11 points Go for 1 11 points Go for 2
12 points Go for 2 12 points Go for 2
13 points Go for 1 13 points Go for 1
14 points Go for 1 14 points Go for 1
15 points Go for 2 15 points Go for 1
16 points Go for 1 16 points Go for 2
17 points Go for 1 17 points Go for 1
18 points Go for 1 18 points Go for 1
19 points Go for 2 19 points Go for 2
20 points Go for 1 20 points Go for 1


The one main factor that the chart doesn't state is when to use it. So in an attempt to help the Giants coaching staff, we are suggesting a new philosophy.
Throw out the chart unless there is 5 minutes left in the game.

For the first 55 minutes, always kick the extra point. With a 98% conversion rate on kicks verses a 40% two-point conversion rate, the two-point conversion should only be used when there are no more than two possessions possible without an on-sides kick.

When the Giants failed on their two-point conversion with 14:15 left in the game, their flawed philosophy was that the Giants would fail to score the rest of the game. Had there been 5 minutes left in the game, then go for the two-point conversion to seal the win. But with an entire quarter remaining, there are too many mathematical possibilities to rely on one chart.

With the Giants going into the wind in the 4th quarter, Fassel's actions clearly stated that he thought the Giants would not score again in the game. I guess he wasn't watching in the 2nd quarter when the Giants scored into the wind.
 

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I WILL gladly post my :clap: :thumb: :hail :Yep: :weed: :drinky:

it it happens!!!

What I love most is the fact that it only has action if attempted!! I use WSEX and if it is on the board I will it done as well for fun just for the action!!
 

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Well what can I say. We had not one, not two, but THREE 2-pointers attempted in the game, and all three failed. Un-real! Assuming (conservatively) 40% of all "2"s are successful, my math says:

With one attempt, you have a 40% shot of winning and getting back 4x your money.
With two attempts, you have a 64% shot of at least one being converted.
With three attempts, it goes up to a 78.4% chance of one of the three being successful.

If 45% is the true rate then those percentages are even higher.

That last one really hurt. How is it the rule can be interpreted that a guy in the air who is bumped would have landed in-bounds if it's against the sidelines, but the rule doesn't apply to a player getting pushed over the backline?? :shrug: Can't say for sure that he would have landed with both feet in, but I think he would have. I had $400 to win $1600 on this. Would have been sweet!

Oh well, at least I bet more on the Bucs than the prop so it was still a good day, but I was really liking this one at these odds & conditions!!

Thanks to everyone here at MJ's who helped make it an enjoyable and profitable season. See you all in August.
 

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yea i couldnt believe they didnt convert not even 1 !!!! he was pushed out though ;) shoulda counted ;)
 
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