8,000 injured and maimed, 1,080 dead - 48 suicides, 40,000 dead civilians for an unkempt photograph and we wonder why the world thinks we're morons. We have gamblers sitting at their keyboards solving the country's ills. Wow, I wonder if all these Moms know what they have going for them. Gotta go throw up.
Protection of America
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Our MIlitary Supports Bush????????/
Our MIlitary Supports Bush????????/
Who in the military???????????? The guys that go thru basic and all of u who have served know they are indoctorinated to jump into a pit of Cobras if need be and your president is your Daddy. They dont know any better. they are 18 19 and 20. Ask someone who has had the benefit of seing the invasion from the outside and comes back alive. Like someone 30 35 or 40 years old not plucked off a farm. The only guys that i have spoken to that have been there that think it was a good idea are the ones that didn't venture out into Iraq but instead built a school in Baghdad fixed trucks or the like and came home. There are the military carreer guys that are plain loyal and dont question what they are told to do.they do what they are told because they are soldiers... I know i once did it myself.
Although our boys are undoubtedly the finest in the world..most career officers will tell u that the big problem with an all volunteer army is we no longer get the future John McCains, John Kerrys and future doctors lawyers and leaders of our country. WE get those that want a choice in lfe other than what their immediate future has in store for them. And the military is a fine way to get more choice provided you live. Not all of them would make the military their first choice if they had other options.
So a president should be doubly responsible when their lives hang in the balance. Go ahead tell me Mr Bush was responsible..
Our MIlitary Supports Bush????????/
Who in the military???????????? The guys that go thru basic and all of u who have served know they are indoctorinated to jump into a pit of Cobras if need be and your president is your Daddy. They dont know any better. they are 18 19 and 20. Ask someone who has had the benefit of seing the invasion from the outside and comes back alive. Like someone 30 35 or 40 years old not plucked off a farm. The only guys that i have spoken to that have been there that think it was a good idea are the ones that didn't venture out into Iraq but instead built a school in Baghdad fixed trucks or the like and came home. There are the military carreer guys that are plain loyal and dont question what they are told to do.they do what they are told because they are soldiers... I know i once did it myself.
Although our boys are undoubtedly the finest in the world..most career officers will tell u that the big problem with an all volunteer army is we no longer get the future John McCains, John Kerrys and future doctors lawyers and leaders of our country. WE get those that want a choice in lfe other than what their immediate future has in store for them. And the military is a fine way to get more choice provided you live. Not all of them would make the military their first choice if they had other options.
So a president should be doubly responsible when their lives hang in the balance. Go ahead tell me Mr Bush was responsible..
Not much time for me to reply, but thanx for your posts-(usually Mr Haskell would enter the fray by this time...he must have a female client).
No need to get so animated. I too, am disturbed by the loss of life, but this is the path we have taken. I'll live w/whatever the results of the election are, and try not to be negative. What else can I do. I served in the military also w/Carter as Prez. I remember how low morale was during the Iran hostage incident. So far I will probably vote for Bush as opposed to voting against Kerry- Most are voting against Bush instead of voting for Kerry...IMHO. At any rate I also found this article interesting and like it or not it reminds me of Kerry.
P.S.- Flame if you must this old, yellow head, Oh you get the rest....gotta go
Worst. President. Ever.
Jimmy Carter continues to show why he's the worst president of the 20th century and also beloved by liberals. Carter was on Hardball recently and applied his Nobel Peace Prize winning logic to the American Revolution:
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you the question about?this is going to cause some trouble with people?but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?
CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we?ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial?s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.
I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.
OK, first of all Matthews is a tool. Americans were fighting a legitimate war against a colonial power that was using America as a cash cow to finance wars in Europe. There was enough popular support for the Revolution to field and support an entire army that beat the British on the battlefield. In Iraq we have a very small force of mostly foreign terrorists slaughtering innocent people and soldiers indiscriminately. The United States is not there to financially drain Iraq, we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars in an effort to reform the country through democracy and freedom in the hope that it will result in a safer world. There is enough popular support in Iraq to raise an army but the army is on our side, not against us.
Carter's answer shows why he was a one term president who presided over some of the worst foreign policy blunders in history and planted the seeds for anti American Islamic terrorism.
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial?s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.
King George III waged an illegal war! It didn't pass the global test! Do you suppose it ever occured to Carter that Canada, India and Australia eventually won their independence as a result of the American Revolution and eventual collapse of the British empire?
Apparently Matthews and Carter seem to think the small minority of barbaric terrorists in Iraq are some sort of massive natioanlist movement determined to throw out the invading Americans. Here's a newsflash: If that were the case we'd have thousands of dead each month. Raging firefights and house to house battles would be the norm instead of car bombs, hit and run mortar attacks and the kidnapping and beheading of innocents. These are the tactics of terrorists without much support among the indigenous population, not a "nationalistic local militia".
No need to get so animated. I too, am disturbed by the loss of life, but this is the path we have taken. I'll live w/whatever the results of the election are, and try not to be negative. What else can I do. I served in the military also w/Carter as Prez. I remember how low morale was during the Iran hostage incident. So far I will probably vote for Bush as opposed to voting against Kerry- Most are voting against Bush instead of voting for Kerry...IMHO. At any rate I also found this article interesting and like it or not it reminds me of Kerry.
P.S.- Flame if you must this old, yellow head, Oh you get the rest....gotta go
Worst. President. Ever.
Jimmy Carter continues to show why he's the worst president of the 20th century and also beloved by liberals. Carter was on Hardball recently and applied his Nobel Peace Prize winning logic to the American Revolution:
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you the question about?this is going to cause some trouble with people?but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?
CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we?ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial?s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.
I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.
OK, first of all Matthews is a tool. Americans were fighting a legitimate war against a colonial power that was using America as a cash cow to finance wars in Europe. There was enough popular support for the Revolution to field and support an entire army that beat the British on the battlefield. In Iraq we have a very small force of mostly foreign terrorists slaughtering innocent people and soldiers indiscriminately. The United States is not there to financially drain Iraq, we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars in an effort to reform the country through democracy and freedom in the hope that it will result in a safer world. There is enough popular support in Iraq to raise an army but the army is on our side, not against us.
Carter's answer shows why he was a one term president who presided over some of the worst foreign policy blunders in history and planted the seeds for anti American Islamic terrorism.
Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial?s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.
King George III waged an illegal war! It didn't pass the global test! Do you suppose it ever occured to Carter that Canada, India and Australia eventually won their independence as a result of the American Revolution and eventual collapse of the British empire?
Apparently Matthews and Carter seem to think the small minority of barbaric terrorists in Iraq are some sort of massive natioanlist movement determined to throw out the invading Americans. Here's a newsflash: If that were the case we'd have thousands of dead each month. Raging firefights and house to house battles would be the norm instead of car bombs, hit and run mortar attacks and the kidnapping and beheading of innocents. These are the tactics of terrorists without much support among the indigenous population, not a "nationalistic local militia".
Whenever you liberals mention U.S. casualties you never seem to mention the fact that we are at war fighting Al Queda and the other Muslim terrorist regimes. I've never heard one bit of anger toward the terrorists from the liberals who post in here. It's a pussy attitude. You spent 100% of your efforts hating on the president and critisizing our military efforts. You guys are so out of touch with reality it's rediculous. That's why your candidate doomed.
Adios Liberalos :sadwave:
Adios Liberalos :sadwave:
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Chanman said:
Exchange 'planted' for 'watered' and we may be able to revisit this quote in a few weeks.
But wait Kosar....isn't that contradicting the claim that Bush is responsible for the high level of anti-American sentiment?
CHARLESMANSON said:
As anybody with a pulse, and also Dr. Freeze, could surely ascertain, I was saying that that quote that I referenced could easily be applied to Dubya. In fact, it *should* be applied to Dubya.
Why didn't you just say that in the first place? You said Carter was watering the seeds of anti-American sentiment. That's why I couldn't figure out why you guys were blaming Bush. It was a contradiction.
I know what you mean now....sorry.. This anti-American sentiment has been going on for decades and we shouldn't put all the blame on Bush. Opinion respected.
I know what you mean now....sorry.. This anti-American sentiment has been going on for decades and we shouldn't put all the blame on Bush. Opinion respected.
CHARLESMANSON said:
I didn't say that Carter was watering the seeds. I said, somewhat obliquely, that if Carter planted the seeds, then Bush is watering them.
Of course all of the blame for the US hatred shouldn't be put on Bush. That's obvious. Like you said, it's been going on for a long time. But he hardly improves matters by invading a country that has not had a hand in one American injury or death(other than on it's own soil), was no threat to us in any way and most importantly, has strained our military, resources, budget, credibility capital around the world all for absolutely nothing.
Maybe you have no problem with that, but I do.
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kosar
Yeh but Saddam tried to assasinate George Ws daddy one time. And his Daddy was critized to no end for not going to Baghdad the first time.
You must be one of them centrists !
Oh OK Kosar lol. Yeah I've just been thru hell since 9/11.
I hope you're not trying to say Kerry will be stronger on the war on terror. Wasn't he the guy who voted to cut $7Bil from intelligence after 9/11? :thinking:
How do you explain that?
I hope you're not trying to say Kerry will be stronger on the war on terror. Wasn't he the guy who voted to cut $7Bil from intelligence after 9/11? :thinking:
How do you explain that?
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CHARLESMANSON said:
Yes, I see your point... http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/black_guerilla_family/bgf_001.htm
I would have voted to cut more then that from a failed secutiry gathering outfit. They needed the over hall that was cut from that bill. That made the bill bad. But guess what. There going to get it right now. After the 9/11 report came out even congress started to wake up.
