what the hell are you talking about? if anything i was SUPPORTING you on this particular issue. sheesh!
Putin accuses BUSH AND MCCAIN - starting Georgia war
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what the hell are you talking about? if anything i was SUPPORTING you on this particular issue. sheesh!
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Putin was at the Olympics the day before this happened. He was even talking to Bush.
If we knew half the shit that goes on with Bush and Cheney it would scare the holy shit out of us.
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if you honestly think that Bush and McCain arent close then your just stupid.
If it were not for Bush and Cheney , McCain wouldnt even have won the nomination. And McCain knows it.
Its all about bowing to the mighty dollar.
We cant let this go on any longer .
Go Obama !
Samuel Segev
Updated: August 12 at 12:25 AM CDT
Print Article E-mail Article ShareThisTEL AVIV -- Suddenly, without any prior warning, Israel has become indirectly involved in the Russian-Georgian conflict over South Ossetia.
Commenting on this conflict, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, said: "Those who have been supplying arms to Georgia should be partly blamed for the bloodshed in South Ossetia." Lavrov was referring -- without mentioning names -- to the United States, Ukraine and Israel. Last April, when the Russians shot down an Israeli-manufactured drone reconnaissance plane, Lavrov wrote to Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, insisting that Israel stop selling arms to Georgia. Israel sold four drones to Georgia.
Earlier this month, Israel got an even more blunt Russian warning. Israeli National Security Adviser Dany Arditi met in Moscow with his Russian counterpart and with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kisiliak, who is slated to become the new Russian ambassador to Washington.
Arditi asked his Russian interlocutors to join the U.S. and its European allies and agree to impose harsher economic sanctions against Iran. They refused. They told Arditi that while Israel is asking Russia not to supply Syria and Iran with more advanced air defence systems -- such as the SA-300 and Tor-M1 -- Israel continues to sell arms to Georgia. In addition, two former Israeli generals are in Georgia training elite commando units. Such conduct, they warned, could eventually harm Russian-Israeli relations.
Israeli security relations with Georgia began in 1993. The Israeli prime minister at the time was the late Yitzhak Rabin, while Eduard Sheverdnadze was the Georgian president. Retired colonel Yaacov Nimrodi told Rabin there was a possibility Shevardnadze would inquire, during a short visit to Tehran, about the whereabouts of Ron Arad, the Israeli navigator whose plane was shot down by Hezbollah in 1986 over South Lebanon. Reluctantly, Rabin agreed to approach Shevardnadze on this subject. Equipped with a letter of introduction signed by the Israeli prime minister, Nimrodi met in February 1993 with the Georgian president. Shevardnadze agreed to inquire in Tehran about Ron Arad. He sent to Tehran a special envoy, but he returned empty-handed. The Iranians said they know nothing about Arad.
During the conversation, Shevardnadze said that he urgently needed food and medicine and also a quantity of Kalashnikov semi-automatic rifles.
Since Shevardnadze had become president in March 1992, the domestic situation in Georgia was desperate. Muslim rebels in Abkhazia, assisted by Russia, wanted their region to become autonomous, in advance of a possible merger with Russia.
The Russian army was in bad shape, poorly equipped and badly trained. Shevardnadze imposed a blockade on Abkhazia. Russia countered by imposing a blockade on Georgia. As a result, the Georgian economy was on the verge of collapse. There was a severe shortage of food and medicine and no fuel.
To suppress the revolt in Abkhazia, Shevardnadze urgently needed arms, preferably Kalashnikovs.
Nimrodi, a former Israeli military attache in Tehran, was the Israeli pointman in the 1985-86 Iran-Contra affair. As such, Nimrodi knew many of the arms dealers who worked in the region. Since Israel did not have Kalashnikovs in its arsenal, Nimrodi was to try to find them through the various arms dealers.
But at the request of Shevardnadze, the first priority was food and medicines.
A first shipment was sent to Georgia very quickly. Nimrodi showed me a copy of a "thank you" letter that Shevardnadze had sent him.
The supply of the Kalashnikovs proved to be more problematic. Shevardnadze wanted initially 100,000 rifles. The arms dealers insisted on cash.
The Georgian treasury was empty. Shevardnadze lowered his order to 10,000 rifles.
Nimrodi made a down payment of $2 million from his own pocket. Eventually, Georgia bought close to 40,000 Kalashnikovs.
In the meantime, and due to massive American assistance, the situation in Abkhazia stabilized and Shevardnadze was again in control.
Israeli experts who are familiar with Georgian affairs are not surprised by the developments in South Ossetia. Since Georgia became an ally of the United States, and especially because of large American investments in the country, Georgia wants to join NATO. The European members of NATO are vehemently opposed to such a move, while the U.S. supports it.
Needless to say, Russia is vehemently opposed to Georgia becoming a member of NATO. Putin considers this to be a move directed against his country.
In view of the recent developments in South Ossetia, it is safe to predict that the possibility of Georgia joining NATO is now in the deep freeze.
Samuel Segev is the Free Press Middle East correspondent. He is based in Tel Aviv.
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It really is funny that on the national news Israel is not mentioned as involved with Georgia.
:shrug: :SIB :shrug:
Updated: August 12 at 12:25 AM CDT
Print Article E-mail Article ShareThisTEL AVIV -- Suddenly, without any prior warning, Israel has become indirectly involved in the Russian-Georgian conflict over South Ossetia.
Commenting on this conflict, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, said: "Those who have been supplying arms to Georgia should be partly blamed for the bloodshed in South Ossetia." Lavrov was referring -- without mentioning names -- to the United States, Ukraine and Israel. Last April, when the Russians shot down an Israeli-manufactured drone reconnaissance plane, Lavrov wrote to Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, insisting that Israel stop selling arms to Georgia. Israel sold four drones to Georgia.
Earlier this month, Israel got an even more blunt Russian warning. Israeli National Security Adviser Dany Arditi met in Moscow with his Russian counterpart and with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Kisiliak, who is slated to become the new Russian ambassador to Washington.
Arditi asked his Russian interlocutors to join the U.S. and its European allies and agree to impose harsher economic sanctions against Iran. They refused. They told Arditi that while Israel is asking Russia not to supply Syria and Iran with more advanced air defence systems -- such as the SA-300 and Tor-M1 -- Israel continues to sell arms to Georgia. In addition, two former Israeli generals are in Georgia training elite commando units. Such conduct, they warned, could eventually harm Russian-Israeli relations.
Israeli security relations with Georgia began in 1993. The Israeli prime minister at the time was the late Yitzhak Rabin, while Eduard Sheverdnadze was the Georgian president. Retired colonel Yaacov Nimrodi told Rabin there was a possibility Shevardnadze would inquire, during a short visit to Tehran, about the whereabouts of Ron Arad, the Israeli navigator whose plane was shot down by Hezbollah in 1986 over South Lebanon. Reluctantly, Rabin agreed to approach Shevardnadze on this subject. Equipped with a letter of introduction signed by the Israeli prime minister, Nimrodi met in February 1993 with the Georgian president. Shevardnadze agreed to inquire in Tehran about Ron Arad. He sent to Tehran a special envoy, but he returned empty-handed. The Iranians said they know nothing about Arad.
During the conversation, Shevardnadze said that he urgently needed food and medicine and also a quantity of Kalashnikov semi-automatic rifles.
Since Shevardnadze had become president in March 1992, the domestic situation in Georgia was desperate. Muslim rebels in Abkhazia, assisted by Russia, wanted their region to become autonomous, in advance of a possible merger with Russia.
The Russian army was in bad shape, poorly equipped and badly trained. Shevardnadze imposed a blockade on Abkhazia. Russia countered by imposing a blockade on Georgia. As a result, the Georgian economy was on the verge of collapse. There was a severe shortage of food and medicine and no fuel.
To suppress the revolt in Abkhazia, Shevardnadze urgently needed arms, preferably Kalashnikovs.
Nimrodi, a former Israeli military attache in Tehran, was the Israeli pointman in the 1985-86 Iran-Contra affair. As such, Nimrodi knew many of the arms dealers who worked in the region. Since Israel did not have Kalashnikovs in its arsenal, Nimrodi was to try to find them through the various arms dealers.
But at the request of Shevardnadze, the first priority was food and medicines.
A first shipment was sent to Georgia very quickly. Nimrodi showed me a copy of a "thank you" letter that Shevardnadze had sent him.
The supply of the Kalashnikovs proved to be more problematic. Shevardnadze wanted initially 100,000 rifles. The arms dealers insisted on cash.
The Georgian treasury was empty. Shevardnadze lowered his order to 10,000 rifles.
Nimrodi made a down payment of $2 million from his own pocket. Eventually, Georgia bought close to 40,000 Kalashnikovs.
In the meantime, and due to massive American assistance, the situation in Abkhazia stabilized and Shevardnadze was again in control.
Israeli experts who are familiar with Georgian affairs are not surprised by the developments in South Ossetia. Since Georgia became an ally of the United States, and especially because of large American investments in the country, Georgia wants to join NATO. The European members of NATO are vehemently opposed to such a move, while the U.S. supports it.
Needless to say, Russia is vehemently opposed to Georgia becoming a member of NATO. Putin considers this to be a move directed against his country.
In view of the recent developments in South Ossetia, it is safe to predict that the possibility of Georgia joining NATO is now in the deep freeze.
Samuel Segev is the Free Press Middle East correspondent. He is based in Tel Aviv.
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It really is funny that on the national news Israel is not mentioned as involved with Georgia.
:shrug: :SIB :shrug:
Forsure we new something was up. Or we have become the stupid stupid folks of the world. I say again where was our CIA and spies in the sky. Do we not pay attention. OR did we look the other way? What the hell's going on. Has 8 years of Bush left us so out of touch.
