Question about Texas/Kansas game......

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The Judge said:
Could USC's defense hold their conference opponents to 14.5 points per game if they played in the ACC. How about 8.4 points per game if the Trojans were in the SEC? Yes or no?
Scott4USC said:
NO! USC gave up 17pts to Arkansas so USC def. would give up more than 8ppg in the SEC! That is hard core evidence to convince me. I am serious. I think USC would give up 10-20ppg in SEC play.
My point exactly when I questioned the following statement:
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If USC D played in other conferences with Pete Carroll as DC, there is no doubt in my mind USC would be praised by the media for having a top 5 D in the country every single year for the last 4 years!
I have now proven my point to your satisfaction. THAT, my friend is what is known as debating.

Case closed.
 

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The Judge said:
My point exactly when I questioned the following statement:
I have now proven my point to your satisfaction. THAT, my friend is what is known as debating. Whatever SEC that has held opponents to 8.4ppg padded their stats in OOC as well. Don't forget that! :)

Case closed.

Not exactly. But I knew ahead of time what you were trying to accomplish. But I had to answer your question truthfully. IMO, USC would not hold "SEC" teams under 8.4ppg. But I am only talking about SEC teams. NOT OOC and we all know SEC plays directional schools.

USC gave up 17pts to Arkansas. That is 9pts more than 8.4. However, USC beat Arkansas 70-17 and outgained them 736 yards to 326. :eek:

Now Arkansas scored 24 and lost to Vandy by 4pts.

Arky scored 13 against Alabama and lost by 11pts.

Arky scored 17 against AU and lost by 17pts.

Arky scored 20 against UGA and lost by 3pts

Arky scored 10 against South Carolina and lost by 4pts.

Arky scored 28 over OLE MISS and won by 11pts.

Arky scored 17 against USC and lost by 53pts.

Arky scored 10pts against USC starting D. USC offense scored more pts on Arky in the 1h than any SEC team did for 4 quarters! Many teams would score on USC reserves in the SEC and USC stat wise wouldn't hold opponents under 8.4ppg. However, they would be recognized as a top 5 D in the country because of exposure.

Alabama is considered to have the #1 D in the SEC, right? Arky had 318 total yards on Alabama STARTING D! Alabama played starters the entire game because the game was close and Arky actually outgained Alabama. Arky had 326 yards against USC, 8 more than they had against Alabama, but the starting Arky offense was going against 2nd and 3rd string USC D in the 2h.

Examples are endless supporting USC D over any SEC D. LSU D vs ASU O and USC D vs ASU O?

Need more examples?

One more thing. What exactly makes the SEC so tough? There are ZERO examples supporting the SEC in any argument. They always come out on the short end of any argument.
 
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What exactly makes the SEC so tough? There are ZERO examples supporting the SEC in any argument. They always come out on the short end of any argument.
I am not the one referencing the SEC. I provided comparisons between USC's defense against their own conference and that of all of the other BCS conference leaders. You are the one who choose to focus on Arkansas and LSU.

One other thing Scott, if you are going to "quote" my posts, I would appreciate it if you did not insert your own foolish comments. It is not even a good trick.
 

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You asked if USC could hold SEC teams to under 8.4ppg average. I said NO. You said.........

I have now proven my point to your satisfaction. THAT, my friend is what is known as debating.

Case closed.
 

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AU2001-MADSCOTTS!! Too much.......Have his baby..he'd give you the best seven seconds of your life,and probably cry out Pete Carrolls name...
 

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Don't know if you watched Gameday today (kinda early on the West Coast), but Herby picked Carroll for coach of the year. I don't necessarily agree with it, but he definately deserves somme consideration for it.
 

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This defense is nothing to fear. I am fully confident UT could just run the ball down their throats all day long.

Texas would just wear USC defense out with their relentless O-Line run blocking...this would lead to UT having some serious TOP advangtage over USC, keeping Bush & company on the sidelines & give UT a big ol' W!
 

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I cant wait for Scott to explain why the "AWESOME D" & genius DC are just getting absolutely gutted with the run by Fresno. Come up with any excuse or explanation you want. If Fresno can gash your run D, Texas could run for over 300 yards on you. They dont have anywhere near the O-line of UT nor do they have Vince.
 

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texas running game will give usc problems. usc has not faced anything like vince young. texas has a very good def as well. oky was overrated last year and has no bearing on this year.
also, you cannot continue to talk about how much texas wins by every week. all teams are suspect to play down to their competition. it is difficult to be "up" for every opponent. ie. how many times has usc been trailing at the half this year?

that said, usc has 2 or 3 playmakers on off (or more) that will be nfl contributors for quite some time. usc is awesome when they get it cranked up, but this team is not as good on def as years past. texas is a more complete team on both sides of the ball.imo usc does have the adv on special teams - this may prove to be the difference if they get to play.

no animosity towards either team and i think they are both damn good. vince young will present an exceptional challenge to usc, and reggie bush will present texas with a challenge they may have never seen before....

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ELVIS said:
you cannot continue to talk about how much texas wins by every week. all teams are suspect to play down to their competition. it is difficult to be "up" for every opponent. ie. how many times has usc been trailing at the half this year?

You are right he cant the #'s wont let you.

USC avg margain of victory 28.9 (this will drop even lower after Fresno is done with them)

Texas avg margain of victory 35.6

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Scott4USC said:
That is the problem. That will not get it done against a Pete Carroll defense at USC. Especially if Carroll gets 4 weeks to prepare with his NFL caliber assistant coaching staff. That is what other conf. don't get. USC does not play that brand of football. They prefer to use their superior athletes AND out scheme you with great coaching. Texas has the athletes ($hit load of talent) but not the system. USC can play smash mouth line it up across your man football. They choose NOT too because it is much much more difficult to stop a sophisticated balanced offensive system.

Like you said, the better team will win. We will have to wait and find out. I am just giving my take why USC has the advantage. :) I am looking for answers to why USC will not win.

Looks like it got it done after all doesnt it???

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