Question for the poker players

[saint]

Can you please give me some insight as to what is in someone's brain that makes them call down this hand and suck me out w/ runner runner? I've about reached my limit with nonsense like this online. Following this single hand I went on a 140BB losing binge still playing tight as an 8 year old on the worst string of beats I've ever taken. I think I need to make the transition to NL but am a little weary.

On this table I'm buckleyscogg btw:

1/2 Texas Hold'em Game Table (Limit) - Sun Apr 02 04:10:09 EDT 2006
Table Table 32170 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: gbx15 ( $54.50)
Seat 2: LocoPokah ( $33.87)
Seat 3: garyngwindep ( $47)
Seat 4: buckleyscogg ( $64.50)
Seat 5: RP_Feynman ( $42.50)
Seat 6: retbay35 ( $67)
Seat 7: JelzyF19 ( $71)
Seat 8: onekline ( $61.88)
Seat 9: Skivarp ( $40.75)
Seat 10: BugsBunny777 ( $52)
gbx15 posts small blind (0.50)
LocoPokah posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to buckleyscogg [ As, Ac ]
buckleyscogg raises (2) to 2
retbay35 folds.
JelzyF19 folds.
onekline calls (2)
Skivarp folds.
gbx15 folds.
LocoPokah folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, Ks, 5h ]
buckleyscogg bets (1)
onekline calls (1)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2s ]
buckleyscogg bets (2)
onekline calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
buckleyscogg bets (2)
onekline raises (4) to 4
buckleyscogg raises (4) to 6
onekline calls (2)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $22.50 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 8c Ks 5h 2s 2d ]
gbx15 balance $54, lost $0.50 (folded)
LocoPokah balance $32.87, lost $1 (folded)
garyngwindep balance $47, sits out
buckleyscogg balance $53.50, lost $11 [ As Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- As,Ac,Ks,2s,2d ]
RP_Feynman balance $42.50, sits out
retbay35 balance $67, didn't bet (folded)
JelzyF19 balance $71, didn't bet (folded)
onekline balance $73.38, bet $11, collected $22.50, net +$11.50 [ 2h Qh ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Ks,Qh,2h,2s,2d ]
Skivarp balance $40.75, didn't bet (folded)
thuhue balance $20, sits out

 

[Penguinfan]

If you think players at limit are willing to suck out on you then you better not go near a no limit game on-line. I'm not insulting you, just giving you some friendly advice, honestly.

These players have no idea what pot odds are or how to calculate them, this is a fact you should be able to exploit, unfortunatly in the short run you better be able to take a decent size swing in your bankroll because at the $25 or $50 NL tables it may seem nuts to us to throw away $50 on a flush draw with one card to come, but tons of players will beat you in the pot with it.

 

[SixFive]

imho, that's a 1/2 game at it's finest. No fold-em, hold-em. That's how 2/4 is live as well. Doesn't make you feel any better, and it's a horrible way to lose, but it's the truth. That guy is a terrible player.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I am not much of a poker player and I absolutely refuse to play on-line. But when I have gone to Vegas to play 3/6 I quickly concluded I might as well be playing craps or roulette. At that level it seems most of the people dont even think they are betting money - they will draw at anything. I could see no evidence of strategy making any difference.

It would almost seem you have to have the cajones to play very large stakes for skilll to enter the equation.

 

[Franky Wright]

I am not much of a poker player and I absolutely refuse to play on-line. But when I have gone to Vegas to play 3/6 I quickly concluded I might as well be playing craps or roulette. At that level it seems most of the people dont even think they are betting money - they will draw at anything. I could see no evidence of strategy making any difference.

It would almost seem you have to have the cajones to play very large stakes for skilll to enter the equation.

Sun, totally agree with you.............
Real poker does not come into play if its only play money for the players. :SIB

 

[johnnyb.]

actually i think at limit poker, that is the best way to play... i know you don't like hearing that but i've talked to dealers here and vegas and they agree that if you decide to get in a hand, don't fold just continue to call/bet it out! if i play online, i only play no-limit. i can't handle those suck-outs either.
remember i'm saying low limit poker.

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

low limit poker is stupid. the rake makes the games unbeatable. you can probably grind a small profit if looking to make 2 bucks an hour, which is all you're gonna make per table at 1/2. seems like a waste to me.

as for the hand you were spewing chips on the river. the three bet by you on the river is really bad. theres not much you can beat that he would be raising on. if he is bluffing, he's not going to call your 3 bet and if you're beat you are throwing away a big bet. you've definied your hand with your actions, he has an idea what you have. you have no clue what he has obviously, so you're spewing chips.

i like you saint, just a little constructive criticism. any poker below 15/30 online is a slot machine for the most part, limit or no limit, doesn't matter, people don't care.

johnny b. - go bruins. but to be honest, a table of all poker dealers playing is better than an orgasm.

gl

 

[Penguinfan]

a table of all poker dealers playing is better than an orgasm.

gl

You know, I never really compared the two, hhmmm........

 

[saint]

Hey no worries about the criticism it's all constructive.

I'm not trying to make $$ really through the poke itselfr, but by the bonus whoring. That was at empire, who has a 200 reload 7x that I'm in the process of clearing. I'm approaching 10k in profit from the end of sept till now, slightly up from poker itself but not by much. Yes it is taking advantage of the system but I'll do it if they let it happen. Once I'm not in school anymore i won't really have the time/need but was curious if higher stakes are the same way.

 

[Blitz]

Exact reason I refuse to play Limit, No Limit ONLY for me, Thank You...

 

[Agent 0659]

Blitz it makes ZERO difference if its limit or no limit at these depths. In fact you are better off at limit because the suck outs dont hurt you as much. People always have this false sense that they can "protect" their hand in no limit but thats BS, all it does is cost you more when you lose.

 

[The Big Tease]

I will tell you what.....after my recent week long trip to Vegas, I have a whole new appreciation for online poker. Well, at least I have confirmed that there is no funny business going on. I had so many horrible beats that I was miserable by the end......

I was chip leader at the Wynn Tuesday $300NL tournament about halfway in.....I get dealt AK out of the SB....folds around to the cutoff who raises. I call. 2 players to the flop. Flop comes K94 rainbow. I would normally give the standard 3/4 pot bet representing the high pair, however, this was a rather aggressive player, who would do my betting for me, so I checked. He checked along. Turn comes another King.......I check. He immediately pushes all in which is about half my stack....I call instantly.....he says "Wow you set a nice trap there" as I flip over my set of K's.....he shows the underpair pocket 8's. River comes the 3rd 8, and he shaves half my chip stack. Then, I begin to go a little card dead, leaving me with about 5200 chips. I am about 2200 below the average chip stack with 22 people left. I am the BB.......same clown raises the minimum fro the button after it folded around to him. SB folds. I look down at AK suited, and I push. He begins asking me questions like can I beat AQ.....and do I want a call.......I am stone faced, figuring that a bluffer usually wont answer those questions......he ultimately calls....flips over his AQ....I hit a King on the flop, and he hits runner-runner for the straight.....and knocks me out of the tournament with my own chips that he didnt earn in the first place......brutal.

Then I am playing the 120NL tourney Friday night at Binions. I am completely card dead and the only thing keeping me above water are some semi bluffs that worked, etc. Blinds about to go up again to about 100-200 I think.....when I am dealt A6s on the button. I limp in from the button as 3 others have limped before me, figuring I am smart enough to throw a hand away if I have to. 5 players to the flop......Flop comes KJ3 rainbow.......4 checks to me, so I will represent the high pair....I bet 625, which is just above half the pot. 3 folds to the moron at the table, who obviously doesnt know how to play, as he has folded numerous times when he could check, etc. Dealer yelling at him for being slow and indecisive. He calls. (This was a player that was the typical beginner. If he bet he had the goods.....checks were true weakness) Turn card comes a 2.......he checks again. I figure that this clown ight have a pair of 4's or some dumb ace that he didnt want to give up. I push all in for my 2200 or so chips.....pot had about 2400 in it. He looks at his cards like 5 times, and I am waiting for the inevitable fold......then he says "I am going to need help, but I call" guy flips over A-10.......so he has a gutshot, and ace high. I just bury my head in the table as the final brick is dealt....I am out. Now, I know I obviously could have played this much different......but the fact is that on this hand, I was playing the player and not my cards. Some people just dont know how to calculate odds, nor do they care........

As if the trip wasnt bad enough......I managed to finish in the Top 25% of the Sahara tournament both times I played it, despite going to combined 1-6 in 50-50 races.......most of the time, with me having the pair.

Lost a big pot in a cash game at the sess pool poker room at Harrah's to a woman with a mullet.......and got knocked out of the Caesars tournament I played in as my set was beat by a lower set.

Not a good week......but like I say it was like live online play......so it restored my confidence in online gaming....

 

[AU2001]

I suggest moving to higher end tables, and raise more. Make it too expensive to call if you want someone out of the hand. If not, be prepared to get outdrawn. I moved up to the $200-$600 NL games and have had much more success, just because the dollar amounts make it easier to read others IMO. But you are still gonna run into bad beats by exceptionally stupid calls.

2 rules to live by if you're gonna play online:

1. AA will get beat (the only way to win with this hand is to raise over $50 preflop, and drag the $3-$12 blinds, DO NOT even think about slow playing them)

2. Flushes hit about 300% more than they do in real life, learn to play anything suited.

 

[Blazer]

I'm a low-limit online player.

I enjoy playing 5-10-20$ buy-in online.

I have found that there are some idiots, and they win sometimes, but for the most part a sharp player will come out ahead and reap the rewars of bad play.

If you are attempting to seriously make a profit or change your profession, online poker is just as fruitful as any "work at home" business. Not very.

If you just like poker, and enjoy playing its a fun spell of time.

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

If you are attempting to seriously make a profit or change your profession, online poker is just as fruitful as any "work at home" business. Not very.
QUOTE]


no offense blazer as we get along fine, but i couldn't agree less with this statement. 1,000s make their living online including this one.

gl

 

[SpursDynasty]

Have a friend playing 10-20 limit and making 5k a week.

 

[Blazer]

If you are attempting to seriously make a profit or change your profession, online poker is just as fruitful as any "work at home" business. Not very.
QUOTE]


no offense blazer as we get along fine, but i couldn't agree less with this statement. 1,000s make their living online including this one.

gl

BDB- We still agree....you don't make a living in low limit....that was my point.


:SIB

 

[Skittles06]

Exact reason I refuse to play Limit, No Limit ONLY for me, Thank You...

:iagree: