WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT U GUYS THINK ON THE POINT SHAVING OR FIXING THE OUTCOME OF GAMES....
why?
why?
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I honestly question the integrity of people that even suggest that games are fixed. Athletes and the refs that officiate their games made it to that level because they have an incomparable work ethic and pride in what they do. They may be shady when it comes to cashing airline tickets and the like, but they clearly have to have a love for the game if they are to make it to that level and fixing games would completely undermine that at any price.
Even the idea of the league fixing games is somewhat rediculous. People who are as smart as those who run the NBA know that all the suspicions about fixing are only bad for the league, not good. So why would they actually do it and open themselves up to a possibly crippling scandal. Wouldn't happen.
I believe that officials make bad calls and often get caught up either looking for a specific call that blinds them from other fair calls or getting into the emotion of the crowd in the game.
One last note I would say is that Violet Palmer really should be let go. I have read her name at the top of lists as an incompetent official and if you watch her games you can see that she has no clue as far as consistency and keeping the game in order. Thankfully I haven't seen her in any late round playoff series.
Even the idea of the league fixing games is somewhat rediculous. People who are as smart as those who run the NBA know that all the suspicions about fixing are only bad for the league, not good. So why would they actually do it and open themselves up to a possibly crippling scandal. Wouldn't happen.
I believe that officials make bad calls and often get caught up either looking for a specific call that blinds them from other fair calls or getting into the emotion of the crowd in the game.
One last note I would say is that Violet Palmer really should be let go. I have read her name at the top of lists as an incompetent official and if you watch her games you can see that she has no clue as far as consistency and keeping the game in order. Thankfully I haven't seen her in any late round playoff series.
I agree........there are no such things on anywhere near a steady basis. Perhaps an isolated incident or two, a small shave here or there (kept in close secret by one or two persons), but per se, NO. If it was ever done on a larger scale, someone would sooner or later spill the beans about it. And cash in again as anyone so greedy to be in on a fix would seem greedy enough to write & tell about it later.
Also, I wanted to mention this before..........but didnt want to seem to sound racist or chauvinistic. Nick, I am in complete accord with you on this one. Violet Palmer is possibly the worst "professional" official that I have ever seen........anywhere , in any sport. In addition to her ineptness, she cajoles with the players way too much. It seems like she is almost on a flirt trip. And, one time last year, I swear, she looked as if she was gonna cry ot of consolation after calling a foul on someone. It seems as tho she is out there "not to offend anyone" and to keep the game politically correct...........The ebb and flow of her games are usually up & down specimens and it appears she has no clue sometimes. Just my opinion. THE HITMAN
Also, I wanted to mention this before..........but didnt want to seem to sound racist or chauvinistic. Nick, I am in complete accord with you on this one. Violet Palmer is possibly the worst "professional" official that I have ever seen........anywhere , in any sport. In addition to her ineptness, she cajoles with the players way too much. It seems like she is almost on a flirt trip. And, one time last year, I swear, she looked as if she was gonna cry ot of consolation after calling a foul on someone. It seems as tho she is out there "not to offend anyone" and to keep the game politically correct...........The ebb and flow of her games are usually up & down specimens and it appears she has no clue sometimes. Just my opinion. THE HITMAN
Nick, well said
Nick, well said
too many fans, coaches, athletes, gamblers blame refs for their losses ...
Im waiting for headline REFS WIN US THE GAME!!!
take care,
pt1gard
Nick, well said
too many fans, coaches, athletes, gamblers blame refs for their losses ...
Im waiting for headline REFS WIN US THE GAME!!!
take care,
pt1gard
It may be too late to address this important question. I did not see the thread until today, so forgive my delay in responding.
Basically, I agree with what Nick Douglas and others said above. I do not buy into the notion that there is a grand conspiracy to "fix" basketball games -- especially athe the NBA level. I do believe and suspect some small college games are shady and there is poiont shaving going on. A lot more than is commonly reported. I can't prove this of course, it's just speculation. There is just too much money to be made and the infrastructure is there for corruption. And frankly, I don't blame the college basketball players (especially small colelges with no future) for doing it. That Chris Webber controversy which was hushed up is just the tip of the iceberg.
What corruption does exist in the NBA is that I believe there are forces which create an unlevel playing field for everyone. Ideally, the games are refereed fairly for everyone. Total BULLSHOT. Stars are given more lattitude and are protected more than rookies. Stars get away with more violations than back-up players. Another discrepancy is that I believe the league makes an effort to promote more baskets and higher scoring games. Scoring has dropped by 10 points a game over the last decade and the NBA is worried. I firmly believe that memos (written or verbal) have been sent to officials to call tighter games when offensive progress to the basket is impeded. I have watched NBA basketball for 25 years and 20 years as a gambler and what used to be considered GOOD DEFENSE is now given a hard whistle and two foul shots. I do not have hard stats in front of me, but I know very well that there are MORE fouls being called per game now than at any time in history. Again, the NBA wants higher scoring games because they think it is good for ratings (I tend to like a tough defensive-minded basketball games, but I am certainly in the minority -- the squares and potato chip eaters love 120-117 type of games where there is no defense being played). The NBA also wants to protect it's marque players and the way to do this is to call all personal contact. Tap the star, and you get a hard whistle. Look at the referee funny and you get hit with a techincal. That's the NBA.
While this is not a "fix" in the most notorious sense, it is a clear infraction of the spirit of basketball and a concious effort to interfere with natural human interpretation of the rules in favor of corporate profits (NBA and the networks). In short, the NBA doesn't give a flying panda circus about basketball or the love of the game, it's a freakin' business and they will doing everything in their power to ensure the money keeps flowing in the coffers, even if they have to rig the scoring and make the hoops bigger (three point basket was especailly designed to increase scoring and add drama). After the retirement of Jordan, Barkey, Bird, Johnson and other stars, the NBA is desperate to keep viewers interested and the way to do this is to create more drama -- more offense, and more fouls which IMPEDE efforts to play good defense.
That's my position, for what it's worth.
-- Nolan Dalla
Basically, I agree with what Nick Douglas and others said above. I do not buy into the notion that there is a grand conspiracy to "fix" basketball games -- especially athe the NBA level. I do believe and suspect some small college games are shady and there is poiont shaving going on. A lot more than is commonly reported. I can't prove this of course, it's just speculation. There is just too much money to be made and the infrastructure is there for corruption. And frankly, I don't blame the college basketball players (especially small colelges with no future) for doing it. That Chris Webber controversy which was hushed up is just the tip of the iceberg.
What corruption does exist in the NBA is that I believe there are forces which create an unlevel playing field for everyone. Ideally, the games are refereed fairly for everyone. Total BULLSHOT. Stars are given more lattitude and are protected more than rookies. Stars get away with more violations than back-up players. Another discrepancy is that I believe the league makes an effort to promote more baskets and higher scoring games. Scoring has dropped by 10 points a game over the last decade and the NBA is worried. I firmly believe that memos (written or verbal) have been sent to officials to call tighter games when offensive progress to the basket is impeded. I have watched NBA basketball for 25 years and 20 years as a gambler and what used to be considered GOOD DEFENSE is now given a hard whistle and two foul shots. I do not have hard stats in front of me, but I know very well that there are MORE fouls being called per game now than at any time in history. Again, the NBA wants higher scoring games because they think it is good for ratings (I tend to like a tough defensive-minded basketball games, but I am certainly in the minority -- the squares and potato chip eaters love 120-117 type of games where there is no defense being played). The NBA also wants to protect it's marque players and the way to do this is to call all personal contact. Tap the star, and you get a hard whistle. Look at the referee funny and you get hit with a techincal. That's the NBA.
While this is not a "fix" in the most notorious sense, it is a clear infraction of the spirit of basketball and a concious effort to interfere with natural human interpretation of the rules in favor of corporate profits (NBA and the networks). In short, the NBA doesn't give a flying panda circus about basketball or the love of the game, it's a freakin' business and they will doing everything in their power to ensure the money keeps flowing in the coffers, even if they have to rig the scoring and make the hoops bigger (three point basket was especailly designed to increase scoring and add drama). After the retirement of Jordan, Barkey, Bird, Johnson and other stars, the NBA is desperate to keep viewers interested and the way to do this is to create more drama -- more offense, and more fouls which IMPEDE efforts to play good defense.
That's my position, for what it's worth.
-- Nolan Dalla
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Did anyone watch the Atlanta-Minn baseball game on Monday? One bad call totally turned the game around.
