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Does anyone have experience in this? I've had two rental properties and am now down to one. They can suck the life out of you but now that I have had time to step back and look at the business behind it rather than the headaches and growing pains that come with it, I'm starting to get a little excited about it again.

Background: When I moved to Ohio in 2006, I couldn't sell my house in Michigan so I rented it out and pretty much broke even. I hated my job in Ohio, so I started looking around for other ways to make money. I got caught up in the TV shows that made it look easy to flip houses. I ended up buying a house to flip but I fucked up and bought right as the market started to tank. Since the market took a shit, I couldn't sell it, so I had to rent it out. Have had to do a lot of work, lose money every year on it ($400 if it is occupied all year and no repairs needed), get disgusted by the tenants that live like pigs and was pretty much ready to burn the place down. But things have changed......I sold my Michigan rental last year and made a nice chunk of money. I've got my Ohio rental in such good shape that I don' know what I would upgrade even if I had money to do so, so I've been looking at the financials of it, and this thing could end up paying off nicely if I can get the principal lowered and refinance it. The problem I had is that I paid too much because I bought at the wrong time. If I would have bought the place now instead of in early 2007, I'd have a totally different view of things.

Now: I have a different perspective now that the tough part of the experience is behind me. The big realization is that the (1) banks are making a killing off investors because they charge high interest rates for rental properties (higher risk) and (2) the market is primed to be taken advantage of. For example, I'm charging $925 a month rent for a house that could be purchased for $75k or less. For $60k, you could buy a place outright, put $10k or so into it and rent it for somewhere near that $925 number. Realistically, you could recoup the initial investment in less than a decade.

Anyways, I am thinking about turning my IRA into a self-directed IRA that invests in a property, but I am thinking about trying to get some family members or friends in to the fold. Has anyone ever turned their IRA into a self-directed IRA (I know that's how Jack did it)? Anyone ever partnered with anyone on an investment like this? I have heard about Real Estate Investment Clubs, but I don't think that is a safe route to go.

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WHN I use to rent out an old family home, do not make any money off of this but did it for an elderly relative that did not want to sell the home.

should have been sold but I can understand sometimes people get emotionally attached to a house or property.

the first tenats were people she knew and charged to little rent, anyways they split and left the house, had $10,000 repairs and one week of hard labour....oh joy.

since then had two tennats (do not look after it anymore) and for the most part it worked out well, rent was 90% on time and when it was not paid up promply soon after... no major repairs.

made improvements with the house and got the 10,000 and more so not a bad investment.

the killer thing is I cannot be a landlord in residential, know two people well who have 12-28 units (homes), just one of their horrors stories would stress the hell out of me.

in the market I do not get stressed out, but renting for me is a different game, to much stress, so try to avoid it....

would it not be better to keep it out of IRA, if you plan on buying houses and expanding, I guess it would work for the one you have paid off....

besides giving safe financial advice to family members I do not get into business with them, finding a business partner, would not be easy, if you do so make sure you know what is expected of each other.

good luck.
real estate where I live up in the great white north has just been going up the last five years, hard to find a starter for 75,000.

far cry from mid 90s when I you could buy a large house that would rival almost anything for 250-280K


thanks
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I can say stick with it.. It help me rertire at 58.
 

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Does anyone have experience in this? I've had two rental properties and am now down to one. They can suck the life out of you but now that I have had time to step back and look at the business behind it rather than the headaches and growing pains that come with it, I'm starting to get a little excited about it again.

Background: When I moved to Ohio in 2006, I couldn't sell my house in Michigan so I rented it out and pretty much broke even. I hated my job in Ohio, so I started looking around for other ways to make money. I got caught up in the TV shows that made it look easy to flip houses. I ended up buying a house to flip but I fucked up and bought right as the market started to tank. Since the market took a shit, I couldn't sell it, so I had to rent it out. Have had to do a lot of work, lose money every year on it ($400 if it is occupied all year and no repairs needed), get disgusted by the tenants that live like pigs and was pretty much ready to burn the place down. But things have changed......I sold my Michigan rental last year and made a nice chunk of money. I've got my Ohio rental in such good shape that I don' know what I would upgrade even if I had money to do so, so I've been looking at the financials of it, and this thing could end up paying off nicely if I can get the principal lowered and refinance it. The problem I had is that I paid too much because I bought at the wrong time. If I would have bought the place now instead of in early 2007, I'd have a totally different view of things.

Now: I have a different perspective now that the tough part of the experience is behind me. The big realization is that the (1) banks are making a killing off investors because they charge high interest rates for rental properties (higher risk) and (2) the market is primed to be taken advantage of. For example, I'm charging $925 a month rent for a house that could be purchased for $75k or less. For $60k, you could buy a place outright, put $10k or so into it and rent it for somewhere near that $925 number. Realistically, you could recoup the initial investment in less than a decade.

Anyways, I am thinking about turning my IRA into a self-directed IRA that invests in a property, but I am thinking about trying to get some family members or friends in to the fold. Has anyone ever turned their IRA into a self-directed IRA (I know that's how Jack did it)? Anyone ever partnered with anyone on an investment like this? I have heard about Real Estate Investment Clubs, but I don't think that is a safe route to go.

Thoughts?

Did you talk to that lawyer? It's worth it if you're serious. That man has all the answers to any question you have and he doesn't even have to think about it, he comes right back with the answer.

Why not use your IRA for what you need it for rather than letting it sit there doing nothing :shrug:

Call the guy, you'll thank me later. :0008
 

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For example, I'm charging $925 a month rent for a house that could be purchased for $75k or less. For $60k, you could buy a place outright, put $10k or so into it and rent it for somewhere near that $925 number. Realistically, you could recoup the initial investment in less than a decade.

sorry, can't help with IRA? However, I would like to get started in the rental side. where is the location you can get rent $925 on $70k house. Mich. or Ohio my parents live in MI and I have just started looking there. Here In TX houses are $200k and you can get about $1,200 rent if you are lucky

Thanks for any help
 
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