Reasons to Vote 4 Bush and the MAJOR ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott4USC]

I thought Nick Douglas had good idea and I ran with it. I disagreed with some of his bullet points (some were worded incorrectly in tems of a Republican view point) and I did not think he gave much explanation. I did not take on all the issues but here are the major issues for you to look at and decide for yourself.

-Increased defense spending. It is necessary to increase defense spending after 9/11. No question about that. Obviously to continue war on terrorism.

-Pre-emptive military action on countries who threaten the security of the United States. That is what republicans want. Not just because the country is unfriendly or strategically desirable.

- Lowering Taxes. The purpose of lowering taxes is to stimulate the economic activity. This does NOT increase national debt. Because of the increase in economic activity, it leads to an increase in government revenue.
(Smaller bight on a bigger pie gives you a bigger piece of pie)

What liberals don't understand is higher taxes will keep people in the middle and lower class because there is no incentive to work harder and make more money. Why? The government will take it away from you. This makes it very difficult to have upward mobility. Lowering taxes allows the middle and lower class to move up. This gives them more money and the ability to invest more. Thereby allowing them to be able to move to the upper class.

Just ask JFK who lowered the tax rates in 1960 which lead to an economic boom. Also ask Ronald Reagan.

-To stabilize the Middle East.

-The Patriot Act was necessary because of 9/11 and was overwhelmingly supported by democrats as well as Republicans.

-As far as the issue on separation from the UN. The UN separated from the US. They do not support the US policies. Even under Clinton they did not support military action in Bosnia.

4 Key Additional Reasons to Vote for Bush

*No terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11.

*Tax rates have been lowered significantly.

*Economy is obviously growing.

*With Bush you know what he stands for. He does not flip flop.

If you agree with most of what I wrote then vote for Bush.

Viva Bush!!!!!!

 

[Blackman]

Please tell me how exactly President Bush has in any way "Stabilized the Middle East."

 

[djv]

You better watch close these great feelings you have about how good all is. Soon you will see. Watch your credit close as interest rate go up more. Thats a silent tax. You get that from trade deficits and just runing large budget deficits. So you get to help pay it off. It's call tax cuts with out cutting spending. It's health care going nuts and the drugs right with them. It's V A haveing cuts made to all Vets. It's a energy bill just sitting there while the senate worries about the gays. Schools not getting the help form a half funded Bush program call don't leave a child behind. All talk no action. Borders wide open. Economy at best now going side ways. Unemployment still high. Oh chit things are just great. 890 troops killed in Iraq under false reasons. At least in Afgan we had a 100% reason to go and kill some people. And 9/11 all is still you say. Remember these ass hole waited 9 years between attacks last time. You pray every night we do something about our borders and ports. Or you may see something you thought you never would. Remember when nothings been done at our borders and ports we were off spending billion's in Iraq. And that did not make us safer. Bush can say that 10 times a day but it dont make it so. Remember this is same guy thought war was over in Iraq. We only lost 16 more GI's last week. God Bless those G I's still there defending a bunch of folks just soon we all die.

 

[StevieD]

I have to laugh at the Kerry flip flop charge. Again it is Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths. First they say Kerry flip flops. Then they say he is the number one ranked Liberal in the Senate. Well which is it? If he is the most liberal Senator then I would say that shows consistency not flip flops. Meanwhile they don't tell you how Cheney flip flopped on Gay arriage. Four years ago he thought it should be left to the states now he wants a Federal Law. Who is the flip flopper now?

 

[Scott4USC]

Blackman

Please tell me how exactly President Bush has in any way "Stabilized the Middle East."

Bush got rid of Saddam Hussein. :clap:

NOBODY argues that the middle is much more stable now that Saddam is out. No argument. Just ask Senator John Edwards who yesterday said ?no doubt US and Iraq are better off with Saddam Hussein gone."

People "can" argue that may not have been sufficient reason to go into Iraq but it still is a fact. It may ultimately result in a lasting peace in the Middle East. (and lower oil prices) :lol2

What do you think about that!!!!

 

[Scott4USC]

Djv

Unemployment is not high as you wrongly stated in your post. It is the same as when Clinton ran for re-election in 1996. At that time it was a good number.

What are you talking about 9 years between attacks? 1993 bombing of WTC and 2001 Twin Towers. Between those 2 years, there were several US Embessy?s bombings and the sinking of the Cole Destroyer where hundreds of service men died. All this lead up too 9/11.

What did Clinton do about it? The same as Kerry would, NOTHING!!!!

Then you talked about the trade deficits but we have always had trade deficits. Even when Clinton was in office. So what is your point?

With respect to budge deficits, the country has always had budget deficits WHEN THE COUNTRY IS AT WAR!!!!!! Again, what is your point?

 

[Scott4USC]

StevieD

I have to laugh at the Kerry flip flop charge. Again it is Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths. First they say Kerry flip flops. Then they say he is the number one ranked Liberal in the Senate. Well which is it? If he is the most liberal Senator then I would say that shows consistency not flip flops. Meanwhile they don't tell you how Cheney flip flopped on Gay arriage. Four years ago he thought it should be left to the states now he wants a Federal Law. Who is the flip flopper now?

Your post did not make much sense. Being a liberal or a conservative does not have anything to do with being a flip flopper. It does not matter if you are a liberal or a conservative, it is your integrity that determines if you are a flip flopper.

Here are are just 2 of many examples of Kerry flip flopping. These are not just flip flops, it is a question of honesty as well.

Kerry voted to go to war in Iraq as a Senator on record. He then voted against the 87 billion dollar fund to support the troops in Iraq.

When asked about if he owned SUV's when he was in Texas, he said he was proud to own SUV's. When he was then asked by an environmentalist, he says, NO he does not own them, his family does.

Ralph Nader is a consistent liberal while Kerry is a liberal who is inconsistent.

The reason liberals are often not consistent is that most of the time their views cannot be substantiated with the reality of the world.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Anyone get the feeling that Scott's news sources come entirely through email

 

[Scott4USC]

BobbyBlueChip

Anyone get the feeling that Scott's news sources come entirely through email

What differences does that make? The truth is the truth! Do you dispute with what I wrote?

 

[bjfinste]

Anyone get the feeling that Scott's news sources come entirely through email

Yes, Bobby.

Jack, please stop him. It's bad enough he's already turned one forum into chaos. Please don't let him do it to this one. There are enough of us here to take care of that task.

 

[Scott4USC]

bjfinste

Jack, please stop him. It's bad enough he's already turned one forum into chaos. Please don't let him do it to this one. There are enough of us here to take care of that task.

I guess we should burn all books you don?t agree with. :cursin:

Does Madjack not allow everyone here to express their opinions?

This is a free country and people are allowed to express their opinions. However in my case, I am expressing FACTS!!!!!!

Isn?t this just one of many political threads in the general forum?

I will quote Madjack ?almost anything goes in the general forum"

So what is it bjfinste you have against this thread?

I am inviting those who disagree to provide factual evidence that I am wrong. The objective is to seek the TRUTH!!!!!!

 

[Mjolnir]

is a journalist trying to suppress free speech. say it isn't so bj.

 

[ctownguy]

Scott be careful when asking for facts when dealing with the left wingrs on this forum, you'll get a whole lot of emotional crap and the same old bush hating distortions that are posted everyday.

I must say I'm one that finds your posts about USC quite tiresome, but here in general you are right, anything pretty much goes and your post was right on, good job :clap:

 

[bjfinste]

is a journalist trying to suppress free speech. say it isn't so bj.

Not at all. Notice I've never called for the end of threads started by/involving Freeze, DTB, Blitz, Ctown, etc.... It just seems that any thread involving Mr. Trojan seems to get out of hand in a hurry.

 

[Blackman]

Blackman


Bush got rid of Saddam Hussein. :clap:

NOBODY argues that the middle is much more stable now that Saddam is out. No argument. Just ask Senator John Edwards who yesterday said ?no doubt US and Iraq are better off with Saddam Hussein gone."

People "can" argue that may not have been sufficient reason to go into Iraq but it still is a fact. It may ultimately result in a lasting peace in the Middle East. (and lower oil prices) :lol2

What do you think about that!!!!

Yeah Scott -- Iraq is much better off with Saddam gone.....the death count in their nation is up to approx 13,000 and this new "gov't" (I use that term loosely) looks like he's up to some of Saddam's old tricks. (Please see Below) At least with a dictator in power it was safe for a family to walk the streets.

As for the new Prime Minister, he seems like a real prize:

Report: Allawi shot Iraqi suspects

Baghdad, Iraq, Jul. 16 (UPI) -- Iraqi Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi killed six suspected insurgents just days before he was handed power, the Sydney Morning Herald reports.

The report cites two witnesses to the killing who say Allawi fatally shot the prisoners, who were handcuffed, blindfolded and lined up against a wall in a courtyard near the maximum-security facility at al-Amariyah security centre near Baghdad. They quoted Allawi as saying the men "deserved worse than death" because each had killed some 50 Iraqis.

The newspaper added the killings were seen by about a dozen Iraqi police and four Americans from Allawi's security team. Interior Minister Falah al-Naqib, another alleged witness, is said to have congratulated Allawi.

The Herald report in its Saturday editions said both Allawi's office and Naqib denied the report.

The newspaper quoted witnesses as saying Allwai told those present he wanted to send a clear message to police on how to deal with insurgents.

Seven prisoners were brought out. Six were shot in the head and died. One was wounded, the report said.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...05522-1300r.htm

He sounds like a perfect candidate to bring Democrasy to a country.

And last time I checked, the Middle East is not just Iraq....so please clarify how getting rid of Saddam "may ultimately result in a lasting peace in the Middle East." The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is deeply rooting in over 2,000 years of history yet the fall of a dictator in another country is going to make these come to peace. If you can make that happen, then you my friend deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[onetrickpony]

The only issue that matters is that WE ARE AT WAR. Who do I want to lead my country during this time??? Bush or Kerry?

Say what you want about Bush, but so far he appears willing to do what it takes to win the war.

WWII did not end when the Allies took France, just as WWIII did not end when we took action in Afghanistan or Iraq. We've got a long way to go.

Kerry can talk about healthcare or unemployment until he is blue in the face, but I am concerned with one main topic...how will he respond militarily?

Before everyone tears into me, I am not a war-monger or an avid Bush supporter. If we could have avoided it, of course I would prefer peace. Whether we like it, or are willing to admit it to ourselves, we are in a full-fledged war. That has to be dealt with.

There is a sizable portion of the world whose only goal is to annihilite us. That was their goal well before Bush Sr. Bush Present, or anyone else you can name off. Bush did not start the conflict, but he did have the fortitude to address it. Bargaining, discussions, negotiations, turning a blind eye, etc...ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT FANATIC ISLAMIC GROUPS HAVE PREACHED HATE AND WAR FOR CENTURIES.

Fight force with force, Period.

http://www.womenswallstreet.com/WWS/article_landing.aspx?titleid=1&articleid=711

"Terrorist bid to build bombs in mid-flight: Intelligence reveals dry runs of new threat to blow up airliners

Islamic militants have conducted dry runs of a devastating new style of bombing on aircraft flying to Europe, intelligence sources believe.

The tactics, which aim to evade aviation security systems by placing only components of explosive devices on passenger jets, allowing militants to assemble them in the air, have been tried out on planes flying between the Middle East, North Africa and Western Europe, security sources say.

...The... Transportation Security Administration issued an urgent memo detailing new threats to aviation and warning that terrorists in teams of five might be planning suicide missions to hijack commercial airliners, possibly using common items...such as cameras, modified as weapons.

...Components of IEDs [improvised explosive devices]can be smuggled on to an aircraft, concealed in either clothing or personal carry-on items... and assembled on board. In many cases of suspicious passenger activity, incidents have taken place in the aircraft's forward lavatory."

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/vidino200405040834.asp

"the West has not realized that it is under attack, and that this war "wants to hit our soul rather than our body. Our way of life, our philosophy of life. Our way of thinking, acting and loving. Our freedom. Do not be fooled by their explosives. That is just a strategy. The terrorists, the kamikazes, do not kill us just for the sake of killing us. They kill us to bend us. To intimidate us, tire us, demoralize us, blackmail us."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168989/posts

"The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago. Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates. The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis. Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the cultural decline."

 

[onetrickpony]

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is deeply rooting in over 2,000 years of history yet the fall of a dictator in another country is going to make these come to peace. If you can make that happen, then you my friend deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.

"...Israel and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central issue in the upheaval in the region. Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the main show is. The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel. The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel. The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel. Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of Israel. Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60?s because of Israel. Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El Hamma in Syria because of Israel. The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war there had nothing to do with Israel. The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had nothing to do with Israel, and I could go on and on and on. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168989/posts

 

[Blackman]

"...Israel and any problems related to it, in spite of what you might read or hear in the world media, is not the central issue, and has never been the central issue in the upheaval in the region. Yes, there is a 100 year-old Israeli-Arab conflict, but it is not where the main show is. The millions who died in the Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Israel. The mass murder happening right now in Sudan, where the Arab Moslem regime is massacring its black Christian citizens, has nothing to do with Israel. The frequent reports from Algeria about the murders of hundreds of civilian in one village or another by other Algerians have nothing to do with Israel. Saddam Hussein did not invade Kuwait, endangered Saudi Arabia and butchered his own people because of Israel. Egypt did not use poison gas against Yemen in the 60?s because of Israel. Assad the Father did not kill tens of thousands of his own citizens in one week in El Hamma in Syria because of Israel. The Taliban control of Afghanistan and the civil war there had nothing to do with Israel. The Libyan blowing up of the Pan-Am flight had nothing to do with Israel, and I could go on and on and on. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168989/posts

Thanks for proving my point --- removing one player in a very hostile region is not going to do much in regards to bringing peace in the Middle East, as Scott wanted to give President Bush credit for.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

What differences does that make? The truth is the truth! Do you dispute with what I wrote?

The actual only fact is that there hasn't been an attack on US soil after 9/11.

The rest of your opinions are misguided, and most of them wrong. The fact is that all of your points have been brought up by similar light-thinkers in the past and have all been thwarted by factual evidence.

So I don't really have any desire to take the time to go through the facts of any of your above statements so that you can come back with "But Kerry's a communist" or so Ctown can say "well, its better than bj Billy."

 

[onetrickpony]

Thanks for proving my point --- removing one player in a very hostile region is not going to do much in regards to bringing peace in the Middle East, as Scott wanted to give President Bush credit for.

Thanks for missing my point...