Reasons to Vote 4 Bush and the MAJOR ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!
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djv said:
"Rich" in this country does not mean buying a 2 million dollar yacht. That's the problem, making 200,000 qualifies you as rich in this country. I don't think too many people making 200 grand are going to be buying 2 million dollar yachts
BobbyBlueChip said:
He conveniently seems to be ignoring the posts he doesn?t have an answer for. Guess he couldn't "disect" (maybe you should try spell check next time Scott) your posts like he claims he did to Kosar.
Scott yes I'm knocking you because you are annoying. First it was the ridiculous USC obsession where you backtracked, now this crap. I won't even bother as when you are called out on points, you change the topic & look down on the facts people post to you.
Turfgrass said:
"Well, BBC, I see that we will never see eye to eye on taxes. You think everything is fine and RICH folks should be forced at the end of a gun to pay the majority of the taxes for the "Rest of us". "
LMFAO!
That's rich! Pun intended.
Uh, turfgrass: Last I heard EVERYONE is basically forced at the end of a gun to pay their taxes. The poor and middle class are...sounds like you don't think the rich should be though. Maybe they should be able to OPT out?
"Well, BBC, I see that we will never see eye to eye on taxes. You think everything is fine and RICH folks should be forced at the end of a gun to pay the majority of the taxes for the "Rest of us". "
LMFAO!
That's rich! Pun intended.
Uh, turfgrass: Last I heard EVERYONE is basically forced at the end of a gun to pay their taxes. The poor and middle class are...sounds like you don't think the rich should be though. Maybe they should be able to OPT out?
Hey come now men Scott has proved two things. Bush did cut taxes. True not many who need it got much but hey he cut them. And he showed he could invade a two bit country. Tells us war is over then has said nothing while we lost 900 men and women. That's it in 3.6 years. So Scott says that's great. I hope we get a president that knows alittle more then those two things.
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Blackman
I am glad you had a good laugh. If the worst US President since WWII got a Nobel Peace prize, Jimmy Carter, who is better known for building houses. Then George Bush could conceivably be awarded one also if the Iraqi situation pans out as I have described earlier.
I am glad you had a good laugh. If the worst US President since WWII got a Nobel Peace prize, Jimmy Carter, who is better known for building houses. Then George Bush could conceivably be awarded one also if the Iraqi situation pans out as I have described earlier.
Mr. Hockey :nono:
Mr. Hockey neither you or anyone else has posted any facts to support their philosophy. What the hell are you talking about? Post some facts you idiot or shut the f*** up!!!!
Blackman and BobbyBlueChip
I posted a poll on the 3rd thread and I even included a picture. I went over it, and just realized the poll had 6000 interviews, half in Autumn and half in Spring. Since that did not fulfill Bobby's "5-month" requirement, I have included a list of polls that do. But just for kicks, here is the picture again to show that I did post a poll.
Are these recent enough for you?
Yet another recent poll of 2,200 Iraqi households by an Iraqi firm offers a different perspective: Half of Iraqis interviewed believe Iraq is headed in the right direction; 65 percent think Iraq will be better off a year from now; 73 percent "believe the handover of authority to the Interim government will improve the current situation."
CNN Insta-Poll June 30th 2004
61 percent of respondents said Saddam's ouster made it worth the hardships they had endured.
Despite their struggles and the challenges of forming a new government, 63 percent of respondents said they were convinced Iraq will be better off in five years, while 20 percent said they were unsure, according to results released Thursday. Sixty-five percent said they believed their immediate locale will be better off, the poll found.
CNN April 29th, 2004
On the positive side, the poll showed that 63 percent of Iraqis believe that installing the interim Iraqi government will make things ?better? for Iraq, with only 15 percent saying thing will be worse. The survey also indicated that most Iraqis display continuing confidence in the new Iraqi police and army.
NewsWeek
May 23rd 2004
"Today, the hopes and dreams of millions of Iraqis are closer to becoming an everyday reality -- a free, democratic government is literally at hand," Hastert said in a statement.
THIS IS FOR KOSAR!
Mr. Hockey neither you or anyone else has posted any facts to support their philosophy. What the hell are you talking about? Post some facts you idiot or shut the f*** up!!!!
Blackman and BobbyBlueChip
I posted a poll on the 3rd thread and I even included a picture. I went over it, and just realized the poll had 6000 interviews, half in Autumn and half in Spring. Since that did not fulfill Bobby's "5-month" requirement, I have included a list of polls that do. But just for kicks, here is the picture again to show that I did post a poll.
Are these recent enough for you?
Yet another recent poll of 2,200 Iraqi households by an Iraqi firm offers a different perspective: Half of Iraqis interviewed believe Iraq is headed in the right direction; 65 percent think Iraq will be better off a year from now; 73 percent "believe the handover of authority to the Interim government will improve the current situation."
CNN Insta-Poll June 30th 2004
61 percent of respondents said Saddam's ouster made it worth the hardships they had endured.
Despite their struggles and the challenges of forming a new government, 63 percent of respondents said they were convinced Iraq will be better off in five years, while 20 percent said they were unsure, according to results released Thursday. Sixty-five percent said they believed their immediate locale will be better off, the poll found.
CNN April 29th, 2004
On the positive side, the poll showed that 63 percent of Iraqis believe that installing the interim Iraqi government will make things ?better? for Iraq, with only 15 percent saying thing will be worse. The survey also indicated that most Iraqis display continuing confidence in the new Iraqi police and army.
NewsWeek
May 23rd 2004
"Today, the hopes and dreams of millions of Iraqis are closer to becoming an everyday reality -- a free, democratic government is literally at hand," Hastert said in a statement.
THIS IS FOR KOSAR!
You guys seen to think that I am an advocate of increased income taxes. I'm not. I'm for more IRS agents to audit corporations and a small number of individuals who egregiously evade tax laws. I'm also for keeping capital gains taxes and inheritance taxes while making "sin" taxes like those on cigarettes and alcohol more in line with standard sales taxes.
DTB,
You always post deceptive information about taxation. Rather than posting "shocking" information about what percentage of the tax burdon is paid by the rich, why not post "even more shocking" information about what percentage of money is *earned* and *held* by the extremely rich?
Oh wait, you already posted that information a while back and you proved that the top 1% of taxpayers pay a lower percentage than middle class and upper/middle class workers.
Turfgrass posted a link to a Fair Tax plan based on spending. Wow, you have been duped, buddy. That is the classic way that the rich try to fool the middle and lower classes into increasing their own tax burden. Let me ask you this: Do you think the very rich or the middle class "spend" a larger percentage of their income? What you would get if a plan like this were enacted is the middle and upper/middle class being taxed at a far larger percentage than the extremely rich.
Now, that's assuming we live in a perfect world. In the real world, a 23% sales tax would be anarchy. Organized crime would run rampant and consumers would actively seek imported goods at a higher rate to avoid that insane tax rate on goods. The result would likely be a catastrophic decrease in spending resulting in an even larger budget deficit and probably a depressed economy.
DTB,
You always post deceptive information about taxation. Rather than posting "shocking" information about what percentage of the tax burdon is paid by the rich, why not post "even more shocking" information about what percentage of money is *earned* and *held* by the extremely rich?
Oh wait, you already posted that information a while back and you proved that the top 1% of taxpayers pay a lower percentage than middle class and upper/middle class workers.
Turfgrass posted a link to a Fair Tax plan based on spending. Wow, you have been duped, buddy. That is the classic way that the rich try to fool the middle and lower classes into increasing their own tax burden. Let me ask you this: Do you think the very rich or the middle class "spend" a larger percentage of their income? What you would get if a plan like this were enacted is the middle and upper/middle class being taxed at a far larger percentage than the extremely rich.
Now, that's assuming we live in a perfect world. In the real world, a 23% sales tax would be anarchy. Organized crime would run rampant and consumers would actively seek imported goods at a higher rate to avoid that insane tax rate on goods. The result would likely be a catastrophic decrease in spending resulting in an even larger budget deficit and probably a depressed economy.
Scott4USC said:Blackman
I am glad you had a good laugh. If the worst US President since WWII got a Nobel Peace prize, Jimmy Carter, who is better known for building houses. Then George Bush could conceivably be awarded one also if the Iraqi situation pans out as I have described earlier.
Carter's prize had nothing to do with his term as US President -- but as the founder of Habitat of Humanity. I have a feeling that once Bush leaves office, either in November or in 4 years, he won't be undertaking such grand endevours. Again I ask, if does indeed turn Iraq into this Utopia that you describe, how exactly does that stabilize the whole Middle East?
Edit -- nevermind, please don't answer the question. I'm here to handicap games not argue politics. See you in the college football forum.
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I ask you to support the statement "Poll after poll shows overwhelming US support from citizens from Iraq"
And you come back with a CNN insta-poll that says that "majority of Americans have little faith in Iraq's future.
and then says Yet another recent poll [the source of which isn't even named] of 2,200 Iraqi households by an Iraqi firm offers a different perspective: Half of Iraqis interviewed believe Iraq is headed in the right direction; 65 percent think Iraq will be better off a year from now; 73 percent "believe the handover of authority to the Interim government will improve the current situation.""
Iraqi support of America isn't even listed except for saying that a handover away from the U.S. will improve the current situation.
And the next poll has the headline
More than half of Iraqis in a survey done primarily in March and early April said their nation will be better off in five years because of the U.S.-led invasion, but 55 percent said they had an unfavorable opinion of the United States.
And the next poll
An overwhelming majority, about 80 percent, also say they have ?no confidence? in either the U.S. civilian authorities or Coalition forces.
and
Most, however, said they now believe the abuses (at Abu Ghraib)were widespread. Fifty-four percent agreed with the statement that ?all Americans behave this way,?
and
Today 55 percent of Iraqis say they would feel safer if Coalition forces departed right away, even though the Bush administration has indicated they would stay on at least until the Iraqi elections in 2005.
The only thing that any of these polls prove is that the Iraqi's (or at least the ones that were polled) dislike or hate the U.S and feel that things are positive because of a handover from the U.S. to the interim government.
So I believe that you either
a.) were hoping that nobody read the links or
b.) have now taken my side
So I ask again, please post one of the many (as you've said) polls that show overwhelming US support from citizens from Iraq" in the last 5 months or please retract the statement
To borrow a quote from Dubya "I'm getting tired of swatting these flies" :142lmao:
And you come back with a CNN insta-poll that says that "majority of Americans have little faith in Iraq's future.
and then says Yet another recent poll [the source of which isn't even named] of 2,200 Iraqi households by an Iraqi firm offers a different perspective: Half of Iraqis interviewed believe Iraq is headed in the right direction; 65 percent think Iraq will be better off a year from now; 73 percent "believe the handover of authority to the Interim government will improve the current situation.""
Iraqi support of America isn't even listed except for saying that a handover away from the U.S. will improve the current situation.
And the next poll has the headline
More than half of Iraqis in a survey done primarily in March and early April said their nation will be better off in five years because of the U.S.-led invasion, but 55 percent said they had an unfavorable opinion of the United States.
And the next poll
An overwhelming majority, about 80 percent, also say they have ?no confidence? in either the U.S. civilian authorities or Coalition forces.
and
Most, however, said they now believe the abuses (at Abu Ghraib)were widespread. Fifty-four percent agreed with the statement that ?all Americans behave this way,?
and
Today 55 percent of Iraqis say they would feel safer if Coalition forces departed right away, even though the Bush administration has indicated they would stay on at least until the Iraqi elections in 2005.
The only thing that any of these polls prove is that the Iraqi's (or at least the ones that were polled) dislike or hate the U.S and feel that things are positive because of a handover from the U.S. to the interim government.
So I believe that you either
a.) were hoping that nobody read the links or
b.) have now taken my side
So I ask again, please post one of the many (as you've said) polls that show overwhelming US support from citizens from Iraq" in the last 5 months or please retract the statement
To borrow a quote from Dubya "I'm getting tired of swatting these flies" :142lmao:
BobbyBlueChip
In earlier polls the Iraqi people were in support of the US action in Iraq, which was understandable since they were just relieved of the horrible regime of Saddam. After I provided the data, you correctly point out the Iraqi people are optimistic for a better future after the turnover of control to their own government. Naturally they don?t want the US to be there forever occupying their country. The importance is they are confident that they will be able to handle their own affairs in a democratic society which will be a shining light for the rest of the Arab world to emulate.
In earlier polls the Iraqi people were in support of the US action in Iraq, which was understandable since they were just relieved of the horrible regime of Saddam. After I provided the data, you correctly point out the Iraqi people are optimistic for a better future after the turnover of control to their own government. Naturally they don?t want the US to be there forever occupying their country. The importance is they are confident that they will be able to handle their own affairs in a democratic society which will be a shining light for the rest of the Arab world to emulate.
BobbyBlueChip
I can admit the sentiment of the Iraqi people towards the US presence in Iraq may have soured somewhat but you also have to admit the most important issue is their confidence about their own future, that things will be much better for them. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT!!!!
I can admit the sentiment of the Iraqi people towards the US presence in Iraq may have soured somewhat but you also have to admit the most important issue is their confidence about their own future, that things will be much better for them. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT!!!!
Aww little Scotty is angry. Sorry kid but I don't waste my time with people who are too narrowminded to converse with.
Hey Mr Hockey puck, if you have nothing to contribute, then stay out of the thread. I am looking for intelligent people to have a dialogue concerning the political issues of the day. I welcome anyone who can back their philosophy with some facts instead of their make believe view of the world.
Look who's talking when it comes to make believe view of the world. You lost any credibility you had with your make believe world of USC being able to do no wrong.
I am writing this letter to voice my concerns for the actions and inactions of the Federal Government including, but not limited to, the Department of Homeland Security and You. My questions regarding the illegal immigrant infestation and our lack of will power to enforce our laws are as follows:
Why are our sovereign borders not fully protected by the United States Government? Lack of budget and manpower are not an acceptable answer or excuse!
Why is the Government of Mexico not honoring the provisions of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo--specifically, the Preamble and Article XXI?
What secret protocol or other diplomatic writing have prompted the amnesty approach of President George Bush and his Democratic Challenger John Kerry?
Why are the State of California and its taxpayers compelled to shoulder an unfair and inordinate financial burden caring for illegal immigrants?
Why is the United States Government turning a blind eye to enforcement of the rules, regulations, etc. pertaining to immigration to the United States and caving in to those who champion the rights of illegal immigrants over those who are lawful citizens of the United States?
Is the plan of the United States Government to secede California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico? If so, for what, when and why?
Why doesn't the United States Government use its diplomatic and economic muscle to effect positive change in Mexico so that the Government of Mexico takes care of its people--education, health, housing and decent living wages--so that its people no longer have to go North to the United States for the opportunities their own country has deprived them of? If something has been done, please share.
Do You think that the only terrorists we have to worry about look like people from the Middle East? If so, why?
What action are You going to take to rectify the financial burden the illegal immigration problem has caused to the State of California and its citizens?
As you can probably deduce from my questions and the tenor of my questions, you can correctly surmise that I consider the State of California and its citizens have become the sacrificial lambs in a slaughter orchestrated by Presidents Bush and Fox and endorsed by John Kerry. As your ultimate boss, for I am a legal citizen of this country and a voter, I demand positive and immediate action to correct the issues brought to you by John and Ken and by members of Congress. Your actions make a mockry of the what it means to be a Citizen of the United States.
Be advised that I am a Rotarian and will share the contents of this message with my fellow Rotarians throughout the country so that they also may express their concern about the current deplorable state of affairs regarding the matter of illegal immigrants. We the citizens of this great nation will and shall exercise our right to vote and petition the United States Government for a redress of our grievances unless You and the other members of the United States Government fulfill your responsibilities to uphold the Constitution of the United States and bear truth faith and alllegiance to the same.
My ancestors fought for the right of this nation to exist and prosper. What right have You or others to give our nation and its national treasures away to those who have no respect for the law or the rights of their own citizens of or the citizens of other soverign nations?
A prompt and complete response to this message would be greatly appreciated on or before July 26, 2004.
Sincerely,
Robert H. Rusoff
Rotarian, Historian and Citizen
Why are our sovereign borders not fully protected by the United States Government? Lack of budget and manpower are not an acceptable answer or excuse!
Why is the Government of Mexico not honoring the provisions of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo--specifically, the Preamble and Article XXI?
What secret protocol or other diplomatic writing have prompted the amnesty approach of President George Bush and his Democratic Challenger John Kerry?
Why are the State of California and its taxpayers compelled to shoulder an unfair and inordinate financial burden caring for illegal immigrants?
Why is the United States Government turning a blind eye to enforcement of the rules, regulations, etc. pertaining to immigration to the United States and caving in to those who champion the rights of illegal immigrants over those who are lawful citizens of the United States?
Is the plan of the United States Government to secede California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas back to Mexico? If so, for what, when and why?
Why doesn't the United States Government use its diplomatic and economic muscle to effect positive change in Mexico so that the Government of Mexico takes care of its people--education, health, housing and decent living wages--so that its people no longer have to go North to the United States for the opportunities their own country has deprived them of? If something has been done, please share.
Do You think that the only terrorists we have to worry about look like people from the Middle East? If so, why?
What action are You going to take to rectify the financial burden the illegal immigration problem has caused to the State of California and its citizens?
As you can probably deduce from my questions and the tenor of my questions, you can correctly surmise that I consider the State of California and its citizens have become the sacrificial lambs in a slaughter orchestrated by Presidents Bush and Fox and endorsed by John Kerry. As your ultimate boss, for I am a legal citizen of this country and a voter, I demand positive and immediate action to correct the issues brought to you by John and Ken and by members of Congress. Your actions make a mockry of the what it means to be a Citizen of the United States.
Be advised that I am a Rotarian and will share the contents of this message with my fellow Rotarians throughout the country so that they also may express their concern about the current deplorable state of affairs regarding the matter of illegal immigrants. We the citizens of this great nation will and shall exercise our right to vote and petition the United States Government for a redress of our grievances unless You and the other members of the United States Government fulfill your responsibilities to uphold the Constitution of the United States and bear truth faith and alllegiance to the same.
My ancestors fought for the right of this nation to exist and prosper. What right have You or others to give our nation and its national treasures away to those who have no respect for the law or the rights of their own citizens of or the citizens of other soverign nations?
A prompt and complete response to this message would be greatly appreciated on or before July 26, 2004.
Sincerely,
Robert H. Rusoff
Rotarian, Historian and Citizen
