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oh,how the worm has turned for the b.d.s. crew....

if you can dish it out,you have to be able to take it....:toast:

what`s good for the goose...

btw,more media craziness.....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/nation/story/520822.html

the america-hating media wants more access on the battlefield so they can totally castrate our military operations...

you can`t make this stuff up...we`re in big trouble....BIG trouble..
 

kosar

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oh,how the worm has turned for the b.d.s. crew....

if you can dish it out,you have to be able to take it....:toast:

what`s good for the goose...

btw,more media craziness.....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/nation/story/520822.html

the america-hating media wants more access on the battlefield so they can totally castrate our military operations...

you can`t make this stuff up...we`re in big trouble....BIG trouble..


Wow. Where was the outrage as embedded reporters were rolling en masse in Humvees as we marched into Baghdad? There were no bigger cheerleaders for the invasion than the media.

They didn't question the plan, the lame justifications, the lies or the proposed implementation before the invasion. Nothing. That's their job and they failed. They were advocates and they made it a lot easier for W to impose his will.

The media was a huge enabler to the invasion.

Now it's a problem for you that they want more access?

That's rich.
 

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Wow. Where was the outrage as embedded reporters were rolling en masse in Humvees as we marched into Baghdad? There were no bigger cheerleaders for the invasion than the media.

They didn't question the plan, the lame justifications, the lies or the proposed implementation before the invasion. Nothing. That's their job and they failed. They were advocates and they made it a lot easier for W to impose his will.

The media was a huge enabler to the invasion.

Now it's a problem for you that they want more access?

That's rich.
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What got cut from the stimulus billStory Highlights
Bipartisan group of senators reaches compromise on stimulus bill

Items partially cut include funds for FBI construction, federal hybrid cars, EPA

Items entirely cut include funds for federal prisons, NASA, school construction


(CNN) -- A coalition of Democrats and some Republicans reached a compromise that trimmed billions in spending from an earlier version of the Senate economic stimulus bill.


Senators worked late into the night to trim billions from the original stimulus bill.

CNN obtained, from a Democratic leadership aide, a list of some programs that have been cut, either entirely or partially:

Partially cut:

? $3.5 billion for energy-efficient federal buildings (original bill $7 billion)

? $75 million from Smithsonian (original bill $150 million)

? $200 million from Environmental Protection Agency Superfund (original bill $800 million)

? $100 million from National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (original bill $427 million)

? $100 million from law enforcement wireless (original bill $200 million)

? $300 million from federal fleet of hybrid vehicles (original bill $600 million)

? $100 million from FBI construction (original bill $400 million)

Fully eliminated

? $55 million for historic preservation

? $122 million for Coast Guard polar icebreaker/cutters

? $100 million for Farm Service Agency modernization

? $50 million for Cooperative State Research, Education and Extension Service

? $65 million for watershed rehabilitation

? $100 million for distance learning

? $98 million for school nutrition

? $50 million for aquaculture

? $2 billion for broadband

? $100 million for National Institute of Standards and Technology

? $50 million for detention trustee

? $25 million for Marshalls Construction

? $300 million for federal prisons

? $300 million for BYRNE Formula grant program

? $140 million for BYRNE Competitive grant program

? $10 million state and local law enforcement

? $50 million for NASA

? $50 million for aeronautics

? $50 million for exploration

? $50 million for Cross Agency Support

? $200 million for National Science Foundation

? $100 million for science

? $1 billion for Energy Loan Guarantees

? $4.5 billion for General Services Administration

? $89 million General Services Administration operations

? $50 million from Department of Homeland Security

? $200 million Transportation Security Administration

? $122 million for Coast Guard Cutters, modifies use

? $25 million for Fish and Wildlife

? $55 million for historic preservation

? $20 million for working capital fund

? $165 million for Forest Service capital improvement

? $90 million for State and Private Wildlife Fire Management

? $1 billion for Head Start/Early Start

? $5.8 billion for Health Prevention Activity

? $2 billion for Health Information Technology Grants

? $600 million for Title I (No Child Left Behind)

? $16 billion for school construction

? $3.5 billion for higher education construction

? $1.25 billion for project based rental

? $2.25 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization


? $1.2 billion for retrofitting Project 8 housing

? $40 billion for state fiscal stabilization (includes $7.5 billion of state
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The pork gets sliced
 

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How does a bill get stimulus without pork? Money needs to get out to the system and the capital isn't being provided by the banks; private equity hording cash; private citizens starting to save.

The only real problem with this bill is that it's too small.

you can't be serious:confused: are you a socialist?
 

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Wow. Where was the outrage as embedded reporters were rolling en masse in Humvees as we marched into Baghdad? There were no bigger cheerleaders for the invasion than the media.

They didn't question the plan, the lame justifications, the lies or the proposed implementation before the invasion. Nothing. That's their job and they failed. They were advocates and they made it a lot easier for W to impose his will.

The media was a huge enabler to the invasion.

Now it's a problem for you that they want more access?

That's rich.

that lasted about 2 weeks...when the going got tough,the media turned on it`s own country..it`s own military....much like the liberal democrats in congress did after voting for the action...... more dems voted for the iraq invasion than voted to remove saddam from kuwait in gulf war 1...go figure...

they`re always gung ho before the going gets tough..in regards to the theoretical....gung ho on the easy stuff....turncoats when it came to the heavy lifting...when things got rough...when we faced insurgency and terrorists..

typical...predictable...so "liberal"...

and guess what...in spite of horribly biased media coverage on iraq,we still won(and i love the fact that that grates on your ass,kosar...i revel in it)...

it`s truly amazing and a testament to general petraues and our heroic military...

it`s so hard...so very hard to win a military conflict when your own country`s media is a propaganda arm of your enemy...

..if our military were forced to lug around an anti-american group of left wing media in ww2 like they do now,we`d surely be speaking german today....

thankfully,roosevelt put severe restrictions on where the media could go...and what they could print....

thank you president roosevelt...he realized that we were fighting a war,not having a theoretical discussion over some beers and pot in some moonbat college dormitory...
 
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you can't be serious:confused: are you a socialist?

No he's a liberal

ie When they spend money on defence you get spending like "the druken sailor" rant

--but when they spend like a crack Ho on the 4th of the month (welfare checks and food stamp day)

--and promote a trillion more in debt in just the 1st month in office you get--

"The only real problem with this bill is that it's too small."

Liberal logic at its finest. :)
 

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You can call me a socialist - we all should be socialist right now if we want to save capitalism.

And I'd have no problem with military spending right now. Tanks/condoms - it makes no difference to me as there is very little capital going out right now and we're in a job loss / personal and corporate spending spiral right now which is about to turn into a deflation spiral.
 

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Then his promise to double foreign aid should fit your bill for the "socialist" stimulus program.

--boils down on who and what values we each indentify with. :)
 

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Didn't see any foreign aid in the stimulus bill - I thought that's what we were talking about.

Just for the record, I'm against foreign aid in the stimulus bill. I'm assuming that the only foreign aid you are for is for policing Iraq?
 

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You can call me a socialist - we all should be socialist right now if we want to save capitalism.
And I'd have no problem with military spending right now. Tanks/condoms - it makes no difference to me as there is very little capital going out right now and we're in a job loss / personal and corporate spending spiral right now which is about to turn into a deflation spiral.

That would be a matter of opinion.

If you want to depend on the gov for your fate-you would have to be pro socialism

If you want to take responsibilty for your own fate--your against socialism.

Pretty simple and transparent
-- look at your liberal/socialistic base
--compared to conservative base.
 

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and guess what...in spite of horribly biased media coverage on iraq,we still won(and i love the fact that that grates on your ass,kosar...i revel in it)...

We won? Let's talk after our last troop leaves the country.

And it's beyond insulting that you would say that if we actually *do* end up 'winning', that it would bother me. But i'm used to it from you.

After the immense costs in troops lives lost, troop lives destroyed by being maimed, around a trillion dollars, the displacement of 30% of Iraqis, the lives lost of Iraqi civilians, the lives destroyed of injured Iraqi civilians....the only definition of 'winning' is if we leave a lasting, peaceful, friendly to the USA democracy. I wouldn't bet the ranch.

It's so easy for you sitting in your bomb shelter to get a hard-on with the shock and awe antics, but history will surely show how ridiculous this adventure was and how much of a waste it was in every way.
 

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Kosar, I bet you would've been ALL IN if BUSH had a (D) behind his name, listen to all the JackAsses on TV that were against the stimulus when Bush was President and are now singing a different tune. Change we can Believe in MY ASS.

JMO.
 

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It's so easy for you sitting in your bomb shelter to get a hard-on with the shock and awe antics, but history will surely show how ridiculous this adventure was and how much of a waste it was in every way.

we finally agree..history will be the judge(hopefully not by a bunch of left wing academic nincompoops)...

but make no mistake...many prominent dems signed off on the iraq invasion...clinton himself was a proponent of regime change in iraq(i realize that,as is in most cases with democrats,it was probably just hot air and bullshit).......

but it`s on record...you can`t rewite history...saddam is gone...and we`re pulling out and leaving a more democratic islamic country in the heart of the dangerous middle east...an ally where once stood an enemy...

you don`t think we won the iraq war?....who did ,then?...

i guess if you`re using liberal logic...it`s never quite clear,is it?...moral equivalency and all that...

heres another fine example of similar liberal media logic from "amnesty int`l" on the reason it ignores hamas`war crimes and focuses only on israel...

"Human rights groups argued Wednesday that a detailed probe into Hamas?s firing of Kassam rockets at Israeli communities is not necessary, because it constitutes such a ?blatant? war crime. By contrast, Israel?s actions are more complex, and therefore do require such investigation, they said...

said Sarit Micha?eli of B?tselem... ?It is quite clear that [Hamas is] attacking and targeting civilians... With Israel things are more complicated because Israel states it does not deliberately target civilians and that it safeguards them. With Israel, you have to investigate each specific incident because even if a civilian is killed in an attack the Israeli authorities deny everything, so one has to prove what happened in a way that you don?t need to do with the Palestinian rockets,? said Donatella Rovera of Amnesty International.

ohh boy.......:lol:
 

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Kosar, I bet you would've been ALL IN if BUSH had a (D) behind his name, listen to all the JackAsses on TV that were against the stimulus when Bush was President and are now singing a different tune. Change we can Believe in MY ASS.

JMO.
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what a joke .

Bush's sitmulus. - no one even knows where that trillons went to . There was no accountablility. It was a complete rip off of American taxpayers.

you assclown
 

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Change we can believe in.
 

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as I was getting caught up for next weeks Rush Limbaugh show I saw this pic and had to post it, lolololol

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we finally agree..history will be the judge(hopefully not by a bunch of left wing academic nincompoops)...

but make no mistake...many prominent dems signed off on the iraq invasion...clinton himself was a proponent of regime change in iraq(i realize that,as is in most cases with democrats,it was probably just hot air and bullshit).......

but it`s on record...you can`t rewite history...saddam is gone...and we`re pulling out and leaving a more democratic islamic country in the heart of the dangerous middle east...an ally where once stood an enemy...

you don`t think we won the iraq war?....who did ,then?...

i guess if you`re using liberal logic...it`s never quite clear,is it?...moral equivalency and all that...

heres another fine example of similar liberal media logic from "amnesty int`l" on the reason it ignores hamas`war crimes and focuses only on israel...

"Human rights groups argued Wednesday that a detailed probe into Hamas?s firing of Kassam rockets at Israeli communities is not necessary, because it constitutes such a ?blatant? war crime. By contrast, Israel?s actions are more complex, and therefore do require such investigation, they said...

said Sarit Micha?eli of B?tselem... ?It is quite clear that [Hamas is] attacking and targeting civilians... With Israel things are more complicated because Israel states it does not deliberately target civilians and that it safeguards them. With Israel, you have to investigate each specific incident because even if a civilian is killed in an attack the Israeli authorities deny everything, so one has to prove what happened in a way that you don?t need to do with the Palestinian rockets,? said Donatella Rovera of Amnesty International.

ohh boy.......:lol:

Thought we could put war behind us too weasie--but don't know any more--it won't take long to totally undo what was accomplished.

We got O turning them loose here--and appears his brothers are following his lead. Wouldn't be surprised to see Lybia rearming by summer.

Official: Yemen releases 170 al-Qaida suspects


SAN'A, Yemen ? Yemen released 170 men it had arrested on suspicion of having ties to al-Qaida, security officials said Sunday, two weeks after the terror group announced that Yemen had become the base of its activities for the whole Arabian peninsula.

The announcement also comes as government forces say they are poised to sweep through the northern city of Marib to combat an entrenched al-Qaida presence that includes both Yemenis and Saudis.

The officials who announced the release spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to speak to the press.

The men were freed Friday and Saturday after signing pledges not to engage in terrorism ? a strategy the Yemeni government has often used with those suspected of fighting in militant causes abroad. Local tribal leaders are also expected to guarantee the good behavior of the released.

The practice stems in part from the powerful role played by the tribes across the rugged Yemeni countryside as well as the comparative weakness of the central government.

In the past, such releases have raised concern in the United States and increased its reluctance to release Yemeni detainees from the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.

Yemen has said it expects most of the 100 remaining Yemenis at Guantanamo to be sent home after President Barack Obama ordered the prison shut within a year.Elements of al-Qaida have long found a haven in Yemen's remote hinterland. Last month, Saudi al-Qaida fugitives in Yemen and their Yemeni associates announced in an Internet video that they were joining forces to form a single group.

On Saturday, Saudi Arabia issued a list of 85 most wanted living abroad
 
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