Redact this

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Justice!!!
However expect they may get royalties from terrorist orgs.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11252007/gossip/pagesix/de_palma_iraq_flick_bombs_582058.htm

November 25, 2007 -- IT'S hard for Hollywood pacifists like Brian De Palma to capture the hearts and minds of America if

Americans won't see their movies. While the public is staying away in droves from ?Rendition," ?Lions for Lambs" and ?In the Valley of Elah," audiences are really avoiding ?Redacted," De Palma's picture about US soldiers who rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, then kill her and her family. The message movie was produced by NBA Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who insisted on deleting grisly images of Iraqi war casualties from the montage at the film's end. Cuban offered to sell the film back to De Palma at cost, but the director was too smart to go for that deal. ?Redacted" - which ?could be the worst movie I've ever seen," said critic Michael Medved -took in just $25,628 in its opening weekend in 15 theaters, which means roughly 3,000 people saw it in the entire country. ?This, despite an A-list director, a huge wave of publicity, high praise in the Times, The New Yorker, left-leaning sites like Salon, etc. A Joe Strummer documentary [of punk-rock band The Clash] playing in fewer theaters made more in its third week," e-mailed one cineaste. ?Not even people who presumably agree with the movie's antiwar thesis made the effort to see it."

 

[bryanz]

Justice!!!
However expect they may get royalties from terrorist orgs.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11252007/gossip/pagesix/de_palma_iraq_flick_bombs_582058.htm

November 25, 2007 -- IT'S hard for Hollywood pacifists like Brian De Palma to capture the hearts and minds of America if

Americans won't see their movies. While the public is staying away in droves from ?Rendition," ?Lions for Lambs" and ?In the Valley of Elah," audiences are really avoiding ?Redacted," De Palma's picture about US soldiers who rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, then kill her and her family. The message movie was produced by NBA Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who insisted on deleting grisly images of Iraqi war casualties from the montage at the film's end. Cuban offered to sell the film back to De Palma at cost, but the director was too smart to go for that deal. ?Redacted" - which ?could be the worst movie I've ever seen," said critic Michael Medved -took in just $25,628 in its opening weekend in 15 theaters, which means roughly 3,000 people saw it in the entire country. ?This, despite an A-list director, a huge wave of publicity, high praise in the Times, The New Yorker, left-leaning sites like Salon, etc. A Joe Strummer documentary [of punk-rock band The Clash] playing in fewer theaters made more in its third week," e-mailed one cineaste. ?Not even people who presumably agree with the movie's antiwar thesis made the effort to see it."

Most of the American People that are against this war are not anti war or anti American.... they are just against the lousy execution of this Presidents war in Iraq....No surprise this film hasn't done well, most of the people that are against this war love America and don't want to see a movie that is anti American.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I would agree on most people part Bryanz--but someone needs to convince Dailey Kos-Moveon-the movie stars--and more importantly the NYT with their 52 days of front page coverage of anti troop propaganda.

 

[Chadman]

However expect they may get royalties from terrorist orgs.

I won't hold my breath waiting for any kind of realistic, or sensible proof of this insanely ludicrous comment. But then, I assume you never intended any realism with it to begin with.

I'd imagine most Americans don't care to spend $20 to $40 plus popcorn money to go to the theater to watch a movie about the current mess we're in, when they are so disgusted with the current mess we're in to begin with. I think many Americans realize how much money is already coming out of their pockets to fund the subject matter without adding to their personal Iraq debt.

 

[djv]

Thru out the history of war we know the 3% or 4% of no good bums do nasty things. Why they think it's best to show these guys instead of the 97% that are good guys. Who knows. I would guess there were good guys some place in this film. Unless all they did was show the bad guys over and over. I see it was in just 15 houses. Would say it didn't get to far. When you look back at Nam and remember some of the chit went on there do to drugs. Well most those movies all did very well. No one said this chit does not happen. We just don't like to be reminded.

 

[Nick Douglas]

DTB,

You're telling me that Michael Medved doesn't like a left-leaning movie? Shocker. While you're at it, what did David Horowitz think?

I am sure that REDACTED is junk, but who cares? It's a washed up director that almost nobody inside or outside of Hollywood cares about making a trashy political statement. Ignore it and move on.

What bothers me about the reaction to this movie is that right wingers try to use it to paint all of Hollywood with this brush. For example at work today I was telling the people I was training that INTO THE WILD is an excellent movie. They all seemed interested until one guy pronounced that he would never see it because it was written and directed by Sean Penn. I mean, Sean Penn may be a little out there, but if he makes a great, apolitical movie, then who cares if he's left of Castro?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Nick I think the reason right wingers and middle of the road paint them with brush--is they can't find anyone else but these folks--making anti troop/war movies-flying to anti U.S. countries Cuba/Venezuela for support ect.

Can you?

Chad The royalties was in jest--but little doubt it will be hit among terrorists--and be used as recruiting tool--

 

[djv]

I believe the biggest recruiting tool has been our invasion of Iraq. Bush walked in and gave them just what they needed. This movie will do no worse then our water bording films put out by our own government. You can blame these guys with the film but there late to Bush's gifts to enemy recruiting.

 

[Chadman]

I believe the biggest recruiting tool has been our invasion of Iraq. Bush walked in and gave them just what they needed. This movie will do no worse then our water bording films put out by our own government. You can blame these guys with the film but there late to Bush's gifts to enemy recruiting.

Agreed. I think the two biggest recruiting tools that I can think of FAR trump anything else for a prospective suicide bomber are:

1. Moving so many American troops so close to where the terrorists can get a good shot at them.

2. The waiting virgins. That deal has always sounded pretty good to me, and I'd imagine a young dude gets pretty jazzed about meeting them as soon as possible. In my mind, this is probably a big reason there are reportedly no gays in Iran. If you learned early on about this, why would anyone strive to realize they are gay? :shrug:

How does a bad movie compare to those two things? Pretty low on the recruiting bullet point list, methinks.

 

[Niederton]

Justice!!!
However expect they may get royalties from terrorist orgs.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11252007/gossip/pagesix/de_palma_iraq_flick_bombs_582058.htm

November 25, 2007 -- IT'S hard for Hollywood pacifists like Brian De Palma to capture the hearts and minds of America if

Americans won't see their movies. While the public is staying away in droves from ?Rendition," ?Lions for Lambs" and ?In the Valley of Elah," audiences are really avoiding ?Redacted," De Palma's picture about US soldiers who rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl, then kill her and her family. The message movie was produced by NBA Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, who insisted on deleting grisly images of Iraqi war casualties from the montage at the film's end. Cuban offered to sell the film back to De Palma at cost, but the director was too smart to go for that deal. ?Redacted" - which ?could be the worst movie I've ever seen," said critic Michael Medved -took in just $25,628 in its opening weekend in 15 theaters, which means roughly 3,000 people saw it in the entire country. ?This, despite an A-list director, a huge wave of publicity, high praise in the Times, The New Yorker, left-leaning sites like Salon, etc. A Joe Strummer documentary [of punk-rock band The Clash] playing in fewer theaters made more in its third week," e-mailed one cineaste. ?Not even people who presumably agree with the movie's antiwar thesis made the effort to see it."

Let me offer an alternative explanation. I agree with DePalma, but I would never go to a theater to see such a movie. Why? It's depressing, and I already know the truth.

Michael Medved is a Jew. He supports a foreign policy under which American boys are sacrificed to make the world safe for Israel. Any honest treatment of our involvement in Iraq is going to be spit on by him and his ilk, regardless of its quality.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I believe the biggest recruiting tool has been our invasion of Iraq. Bush walked in and gave them just what they needed. This movie will do no worse then our water bording films put out by our own government. You can blame these guys with the film but there late to Bush's gifts to enemy recruiting.

Aha liberal talking points--evidently you prefer them be able to openly recruit/train all over the world as prior to 911.
Maybe you think Iraq war had something to do with Cole-embasseys-and trade bldgs twice.

You don't think its a plus Pakistan has joined in--as well as lybia and yemen??
--and what about the others--todays headlines

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia said on Wednesday it had arrested 208 militants for involvement in cells planning an imminent attack on an oil installation, as well as attacks on clerics and security forces.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worl...eedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

or Sunnis in Iraq (and for your info AQ is Sunni)
6,000 Sunnis Join Pact with U.S.
http://news.yahoo.com/i/716;_ylt=Aq._VOD01QmXskjmLngJIyUE1vAI

--and you liked it better when they were running free lance--with few assualting them--you might want to inform your party they may be a little off base on that one.

 

[AR182]

Nick I think the reason right wingers and middle of the road paint them with brush--is they can't find anyone else but these folks--making anti troop/war movies-flying to anti U.S. countries Cuba/Venezuela for support ect.

Can you?

Chad The royalties was in jest--but little doubt it will be hit among terrorists--and be used as recruiting tool--

definitely agree with both points...

 

[Chadman]

ASTOUNDING! The Saudi's headed off another possible attack on one of their oil installations?!? Man, great to know that they are still helping US out with the terra-rists that are after their $$ generators...

I'm glad that they will forever take care of terrorism in their own country, on their own stuff. Not really something I think the U.S. or Bush has any role in, but I guess you have to grab for credit wherever you can these days...

 

[kosar]

Published on Thursday, November 22, 2007

Reuters

Saudis and Libyans Top Foreign Fighters in Iraq:

BAGHDAD - About 60 percent of the foreign militants fighting in Iraq have come from U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Libya, unidentified U.S. military officials said in a newspaper report on Thursday.

The New York Times said the information was found in documents uncovered in a U.S. military raid on an insurgents? camp near Sinjar, in northwest Iraq near the Syrian border, in September.

Material seized at the camp, believed to be used by a cell responsible for smuggling the majority of foreign fighters into Iraq, showed the home towns of more than 700 foreign militants who entered Iraq since August 2006, the newspaper said.

A total of 305 of the foreign fighters listed in the documents, or 41 percent, were from Saudi Arabia. Another 137, or 18 percent, were Libyan. Yemenis were the third largest group, the newspaper said.

Officials also concluded that the number of foreign militants entering Iraq had dropped sharply in 2007, the report said, falling from 80 to 110 per month in the first half of the year to around 40 in October.

Syrians ? via whose country many fighters are suspected of reaching Iraq ? made up 8 percent of the individuals listed.

Accusations that Syria hasn?t done enough to stem that flow have long been a point of tension with Washington.

In the article, military officials said most of the fighters had flown into Damascus or entered Syria through Jordan. Some were reportedly captured and then released by Syrian authorities.

General David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, has praised Syria for steps it has taken to crack down on militants entering Iraq.

?There does appear to have been more robust action by Syria against some foreign fighter networks,? he told The Wall Street Journal.

He said the number of foreign fighters entering Iraq each month had dropped by at least one third.

In the interview, published on Wednesday, Petraeus struck a cautious note about the possibility of future troop reductions. as he assessed the sharp drop in violence since an extra 30,000 U.S. troops were deployed in Iraq this year.

 

[bryanz]

Let me offer an alternative explanation. I agree with DePalma, but I would never go to a theater to see such a movie. Why? It's depressing, and I already know the truth.

Michael Medved is a Jew. He supports a foreign policy under which American boys are sacrificed to make the world safe for Israel. Any honest treatment of our involvement in Iraq is going to be spit on by him and his ilk, regardless of its quality.

What Medved thinks has nothing to do with the fact that He is a Jew.... All Jews don't think the same. Your statement has the same ring as some that we hear from radical Islamics towards Americans and others. If Medved supports a policy that sacrifices Americans to make Israel safe, his thought process is not unique to being a Jew. There are plenty of Non Jewish Americans that share his view; Our President heads the list. I don't think we need to cloud this picture with hitler like thinking, simple hate adds up to nothing but hate.

 

[Niederton]

What Medved thinks has nothing to do with the fact that He is a Jew.... All Jews don't think the same. Your statement has the same ring as some that we hear from radical Islamics towards Americans and others. If Medved supports a policy that sacrifices Americans to make Israel safe, his thought process is not unique to being a Jew. There are plenty of Non Jewish Americans that share his view; Our President heads the list. I don't think we need to cloud this picture with hitler like thinking, simple hate adds up to nothing but hate.

"Our" leaders are controlled by money. Who do you think supplies that money? The largest single chunk of donations to BOTH parties comes from Jews. That's a fact, whether you choose to deny it or not. It doesn't matter who's out front, it matters who's calling the shots. The people calling the shots are Israel-firsters. And it will get your son or daughter killed if he or she is in the military.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Published on Thursday, November 22, 2007

Reuters

Saudis and Libyans Top Foreign Fighters in Iraq:

BAGHDAD - About 60 percent of the foreign militants fighting in Iraq have come from U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Libya, unidentified U.S. military officials said in a newspaper report on Thursday.

The New York Times said the information was found in documents uncovered in a U.S. military raid on an insurgents? camp near Sinjar, in northwest Iraq near the Syrian border, in September.

Material seized at the camp, believed to be used by a cell responsible for smuggling the majority of foreign fighters into Iraq, showed the home towns of more than 700 foreign militants who entered Iraq since August 2006, the newspaper said.

A total of 305 of the foreign fighters listed in the documents, or 41 percent, were from Saudi Arabia. Another 137, or 18 percent, were Libyan. Yemenis were the third largest group, the newspaper said.

Officials also concluded that the number of foreign militants entering Iraq had dropped sharply in 2007, the report said, falling from 80 to 110 per month in the first half of the year to around 40 in October.

Syrians ? via whose country many fighters are suspected of reaching Iraq ? made up 8 percent of the individuals listed.

Accusations that Syria hasn?t done enough to stem that flow have long been a point of tension with Washington.

In the article, military officials said most of the fighters had flown into Damascus or entered Syria through Jordan. Some were reportedly captured and then released by Syrian authorities.

General David Petraeus, commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, has praised Syria for steps it has taken to crack down on militants entering Iraq.

?There does appear to have been more robust action by Syria against some foreign fighter networks,? he told The Wall Street Journal.

He said the number of foreign fighters entering Iraq each month had dropped by at least one third.

In the interview, published on Wednesday, Petraeus struck a cautious note about the possibility of future troop reductions. as he assessed the sharp drop in violence since an extra 30,000 U.S. troops were deployed in Iraq this year.

Very true Matt now imagine these countries with radical elements--being pro AQ and not aiding in fighting them.

I like the idea of us fighting them in the middle of their heartland as opposed to here. Saves having to hunt them --when they come to you--only now appears others including 6,000 sunnis in iraq are helping also (again for those that do not know AQ are basically sunnis.)

I think ubl has made 3 big mistakes
--calling on his followers to come to iraq was to our advantage--
--assualt on civilian populations in middle east
--and his assumption that we wouldn't have the guts to hang in there--of course he was right on some--but fortunately its not the ones doing the fighing.