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I just answered it.

your slow this AM


seriously though

what would keep you in New Orleans when you know what you know.

That is just no place to be.

It may never return to half of what it was.

Go for a walk on the beach and come out with crude feet.
 

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Listen Ci Ci Grunt

I just answered it.

your slow this AM


seriously though

what would keep you in New Orleans when you know what you know.

That is just no place to be.

It may never return to half of what it was.

Go for a walk on the beach and come out with crude feet.

Come on down and you will see that life is great here. NOLA today is better than it ever was imo. Sure, we lost some good folks like Lawtchan, but most of those who left were parasites.

Anyway, of the 200K residents lost by the city, the majority simply relocated to suburbs.

Tourism is rolling, seafood industry was not nearly as affected by the oil as we all anticipated, infrastructure (roads, etc. ) is improving, local public schools are better than ever. Crime is high, but is heavily concentrated in the ghettos.

The complaint that I have is high homeowners and property tax rates, but both are understandable based on the the 2 large areas of the city that remain mostly unoccupied. I would explain this to you, but will hold off for now since it is unlikely that you would understand.
 
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I would explain this to you, but will hold off for now since it is unlikely that you would understand.
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Yeh I cant understand that third grade commentary.

yyz just chimed in .

He said that New Orleans is still a crude pit hole


So who to believe :shrug:
 

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I gotta respond to this Reggie Bush thread even though this has just about nothing to do with gambling. But its amazing how people can form such strong opinions with such little knowledge.

Firstly, Reggie Bush a thug? The dude was a model student in HS - strong grades, active with extraciricular activities, never in trouble dreamed of playing for Stanford and studying to be a doctor, had grades close enough to be considered at least. USC got him because Wilingham left Stanford - and then SC held off ND in recruiting. Hardly a thug or a kid who looked like a risk. The exact opposite.

His problem was his crappy step father making deals to cash in on his success at SC. I blame Bush because he undoubtedly got some money out of the deal. His Step-father and hence mom seemed to cash in with living rent free in a nice house and getting travel money under the table. They are the ones who deserve the most scorn - along with the ex-con wanna-be agent who was giving them the money. Selling out your step-son so you can live in a nice house and get some walking around money is the lowest of the lows. Lamar Griffen is scum. Bush knew at least to an certain extent, I'm sure but still tough to face down your parents as opposed to being swayed by them. He definately changed his last year or so at SC. Not the same guy. His head has been turned and education, USC, etc was an after thought. As to why he remained silent during the 5 years since, either he clammed up out of self preserverance or because he didnt want to throw his parents under the bus, most likely both.

As a USC fan, I'm not happy with Reggie for the trouble he and his parents brought on the university. Fair or not, he knew the rules and allowed them to be broken. Then he should have at least paid back all the money that ex-con lavished on his family so he wouldnt talk. But he's hardly a villian. Thinking about the awful things some legitimate thug football players do while in college or after and Reggies faults seem pretty damn insignificant.

I'd argue that scum bags celebrating him braking his leg immediately fall below Reggie on the morality scale.

Also, I love how Pete Carroll always gets dragged into this without even a hint of allegation is pretty funny. His record, the location of the school and the dominance of the program in his tenure is all that is needed to convict him in the eyes of most college football fans. Everyone hates a winner unless he happens to be your own coach.
 

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Some of you people on here are living proof to the statement "You Can't Fix Stupid"........I mean seriously. There is not ONE of you on here that were in Reggie's position.......the criminal here is the scum agent(s) that want to prey on the college kid that doesn't have two nickels to rub together. Wave an envelope full of cash in front of the kid, then tell him you're going to financially take care of his mother too.......well what the fuck else is he gonna do ???? Time everyone to shut the hell up about Reggie Bush and his wrong doings. The problem is with the agents. The problem is with the NCAA that wants to punish kids that had nothing to do with the infractions. For those of you that are low level minded enough to celebrate him braking his leg....you're not far from those agents on the "Scumbag Chart".......:nono:
 

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I got no problem with Reggie Bush. If he would have been ineligble for the title game then who knows if Texas would have won.
People remember VY winnng the game, but it was the foolish Bush pitch for no reason that turned that game around.
And yes his step father is pure trash and NEVER even gets mentioned.

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Some of you people on here are living proof to the statement "You Can't Fix Stupid"........I mean seriously. There is not ONE of you on here that were in Reggie's position.......the criminal here is the scum agent(s) that want to prey on the college kid that doesn't have two nickels to rub together. Wave an envelope full of cash in front of the kid, then tell him you're going to financially take care of his mother too.......well what the fuck else is he gonna do ???? Time everyone to shut the hell up about Reggie Bush and his wrong doings. The problem is with the agents. The problem is with the NCAA that wants to punish kids that had nothing to do with the infractions. For those of you that are low level minded enough to celebrate him braking his leg....you're not far from those agents on the "Scumbag Chart".......:nono:


:toast: i played ball 3 years in college T.....if someone woulda waved a envelope in froont of me hard to say i would not of taken it....and i am what i like to consider good people...i go to church, have a good family, never really broke the law and if someone waves money in front of me, and ecspecially offers to help my mother out, hard to say i turn it down at age 20-22....but thats jut me i guess...

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Some of you people on here are living proof to the statement "You Can't Fix Stupid"........I mean seriously. There is not ONE of you on here that were in Reggie's position.......the criminal here is the scum agent(s) that want to prey on the college kid that doesn't have two nickels to rub together. Wave an envelope full of cash in front of the kid, then tell him you're going to financially take care of his mother too.......well what the fuck else is he gonna do ???? Time everyone to shut the hell up about Reggie Bush and his wrong doings. The problem is with the agents. The problem is with the NCAA that wants to punish kids that had nothing to do with the infractions. For those of you that are low level minded enough to celebrate him braking his leg....you're not far from those agents on the "Scumbag Chart".......:nono:

This is the problem with the system. The agents don't care as nothing happens to them if these schools/kids get caught. It just goes reported as he was paid by a "sports agent". These guys need to be punished as much or more than the schools/kids/parents who violate rules.
I am a diehard Longhorn but I don't think for one second that this doesn't go on at Texas or Ohio St or OU or any other school around the nation. It is just a matter of how it gets covered up and how extreme the benefits are.

The system needs to change. I blame Bush but he is clearly not at the head of the list for the blame.

The agents who face no punishment EASILY lead the way.
 

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An eight-month probe uncovers evidence that Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted improper benefits from prospective agents while at USC.

By Charles Robinson and Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
An eight-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has revealed that Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush and his family appear to have accepted financial benefits worth more than $100,000 from marketing agents while Bush was playing at the University of Southern California.

$595.20 in round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland in November 2005 for Bush's stepfather, LaMar Griffin, his mother, Denise Griffin and younger brother to attend the USC-California game at Berkeley. The fees were charged to the credit card of Jamie Fritz, an employee of Ornstein. The document detailing the charges was provided by Lee Pfeifer, an estranged business associate of Ornstein's. $250.65 for limousine transportation from the Oakland airport to the Ritz-Carlton in San Francisco that November weekend for the Bush family, charged to Fritz, according to a document. Ornstein acknowledged both he and Bush's family stayed at the luxury hotel. Additionally, New Jersey memorabilia dealer Bob DeMartino alleges that Ornstein provided:

Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother to wear during the Dec. 10, 2005 Heisman ceremony in New York, a makeover for his mother for the event and limousine transportation; Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family. Documents and multiple sources also link Bush and his family to receiving benefits from New Era's financial backers, including:

$623.63 for a hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas from March 11-13, 2005, charged to Michaels, according to a document signed by Bush. $1,574.86 for a stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego from March 4-6, 2005, paid for by Michaels, according to a hotel document, a hotel employee and a source. Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car, three sources said. As reported by Yahoo! Sports in April, $54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif., according to Michaels and San Diego attorney Brian Watkins. Also from previous Yahoo! reports, $28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt, according to Michaels and Watkins.

Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents, according to multiple sources. Approached about the financial ties on Sept. 7, Bush politely dismissed a Yahoo! Sports reporter.

I don't want to talk about it," he said, three days before making his NFL debut with the New Orleans Saints last Sunday. :scared

Asked why his employee, Fritz, had paid for airfare and a limousine for the Bush family's trip to the Cal game, Ornstein said he believed the funds were paid back.

"Jamie may have paid or put it on his credit card," Ornstein said. "I don't think (Reggie's) parents have a credit card, but his parents paid for everything."

Fritz declined comment, but documents obtained by Yahoo! Sports indicate both the airfare and limousine rental for the trip to the Bay Area were paid in full on Fritz's American Express card prior to the trip being taken. Ornstein also used the card in August to book his own trip to Bush's NFL preseason debut against the Tennessee Titans.

The card establishes a direct link between Bush's family and Ornstein's office while Bush was still at USC, but Ornstein insisted it was merely a matter of helping the family.

"If the dad asked, then maybe (Jamie helped)," he said. "The (family) went on other trips. I'm sure the father ? if it was anything that needed a credit card to guarantee the hotel and everything ? then I'm sure Jamie will have documentation and cash receipts from the father. I guarantee it."

Asked whether he was aware that such loans could constitute an NCAA violation, Ornstein replied: "I have no idea."

NCAA by-law 12.3.1.2 states that an athlete shall be deemed ineligible if he or she accepts benefits from agents or marketing representatives. The rule further states that student-athletes, their family or friends cannot receive benefits or loans from agents. Additionally, NCAA by-law 12.1.2.1.6 states that athletes cannot receive preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation.

The NCAA launched an investigation into Bush's eligibility in April after Yahoo! Sports reported that Bush's family had not paid rent after living for a year in a home owned by Michaels. A Pac-10 investigation followed.

If the NCAA rules that Bush received extra benefits during his playing career at USC, he could be ruled retroactively ineligible. Since some of the benefits date back to the 2004 season, the Trojans' national championship that season could be rescinded. USC could face further NCAA sanctions and Bush's 2005 Heisman Trophy could be in jeopardy. The Heisman ballot indicates that an athlete must meet NCAA eligibility requirements to be considered for college football's most prestigious award.

Yahoo! Sports was denied a request last week to interview USC coach Pete Carroll, running backs coach Todd McNair and athletic director Mike Garrett.

The university instead released a statement though its counsel.

"USC cannot comment on any matter that is the subject of an ongoing NCAA and Pac-10 investigation," university counsel Kelly Bendell said. "USC continues to cooperate fully with the investigation."

Citing policy of not discussing ongoing investigations, NCAA officials initially declined to comment on the Bush matter.

But Friday, in the wake of the Yahoo! Sports report, an NCAA spokesperson said, "Now that certain individuals have spoken publicly, we hope they will now speak with the NCAA."

Following the Trojans' loss to the University of Texas in the national championship game in January 2006, Bush turned professional. He hired Ornstein as his marketing agent, leaving a string of spurned would-be business representatives who claim Bush and his family owes them money. In April, Bush was drafted second overall by the Saints and he later signed a six-year contract guaranteeing him $26.3 million. Ornstein has since helped arrange marketing deals for Bush worth approximately $50 million.

The potential problem for USC goes beyond the trail of money to Bush. The Trojan program could be found by the NCAA to have failed to exert proper institutional control.

Sources told Yahoo! Sports that representatives of New Era were allowed into the USC locker room during the 2005 season. Ornstein and other agents frequented the USC sidelines during several games and numerous practices that season, according to published reports.

Also, McNair allegedly knew of Bush's involvement with the New Era venture before last season's national championship game against Texas, according to two sources. And at one point during the 2005 season, sources say Bush thought that Carroll knew about his parents' living arrangement and feared he was going to conduct his own investigation. Bush called Michaels, instructing that if Carroll called regarding the house to "tell him that you're a longtime family friend." Carroll never called Michaels.

In April, the Bush camp attempted to distance the running back from a direct relationship with Michaels.

"I know for a fact that everything is fine and this is all blown out of proportion and there's more to the story than is being told right now," Bush said April 27 at a predraft meeting with reporters in New York.

But when Bush stayed at the Venetian almost one year earlier, he signed for room charges that were paid for on Michaels' credit card. Another document related to that stay was filled out by Michaels, authorizing the hotel to charge Bush's stay to one of Michaels' credit cards. Yahoo! Sports obtained copies of both documents.

Earlier in March 2005, Bush stayed for two days at the Manchester Hyatt on the downtown San Diego waterfront, according to a document, a hotel front-desk employee and another source. Charges for the room were paid for on Michaels' credit card. The dates of the stay coincided with Bush attending a birthday party for former NFL and San Diego State star Marshall Faulk.

THE FAMILY ALLOWANCE

For Bush's family, the makeover, suits and limousine for the Heisman ceremony were a small part of the benefits they allegedly received.

DeMartino said that on the weekend of the Heisman ceremony in New York, three weeks before USC faced Texas in the BCS championship, Ornstein borrowed $500 from him to help make an "allowance" payment to Bush's family. DeMartino, who has known Ornstein for about 20 years, said he was at the family's hotel in New York to meet with them about a memorabilia proposal that he had submitted to Ornstein in November.

"We were standing around waiting for the family to show up," DeMartino said, recalling the Dec. 9 meeting. "Mike says to me, (Expletive), it's pay day.' He looked in his wallet, said he was a little short and asked me if he could borrow some money till the next day so he could give the family their money."

DeMartino said Ornstein explained to him that Bush's stepfather received a weekly payment of $1,000. Bush's mother received $500 and Bush's younger brother also received money.

"I'm not going to lie for the guy (Ornstein). You asked me a question, I'm going to tell you the truth," said DeMartino, who received payment after settling a financial dispute with Ornstein last week. The day after settling, DeMartino told Yahoo! Sports that he stood by his statements regarding his interaction with Ornstein in New York.

"That is a 100-percent lie," Ornstein said in a phone interview last week. "That never happened. I swear on my son, I swear on my mother, I swear on my brother. ? I swear on my whole family. Let them all die tomorrow if I'm telling a lie."

Repeated attempts to reach LaMar and Denise Griffin by phone for comment were unsuccessful.

New Era's Lake, interviewed by Yahoo! Sports at the South Bay Detention Center in Chula Vista, Calif., on Aug. 27, said he was told by Bush that Ornstein was paying the running back.

Asked why DeMartino would say Ornstein was giving Bush and his family benefits, Ornstein said it was an act of vengeance after Ornstein didn't sign DeMartino as Bush's memorabilia agent. DeMartino claims he was the one who backed out of the deal, because Ornstein was asking for too much money. Asked how Bush's family was able to afford travel to USC road games last season and live in a 3,000-square-foot house belonging to a New Era Sports representative, Ornstein said he had "no idea."

"I'm not involved with that," Ornstein said. "I wasn't involved with the family at that point.

"If (Reggie's step) father did something wrong six months ago, eight months ago, that's not a story to me. ? Did Michael Michaels do something like that with them? He may have, but Mr. Griffin is living in San Diego and Reggie is up in L.A., so how would he know?

"If you ask me, Mike Ornstein, I'd say 100-percent Reggie never took anything."

Ornstein said starting in November 2005, he advised the family on some issues and recommended agents but gave the family nothing of value until after signing Bush.

"And I haven't really given them anything since I signed Reggie," Ornstein said. "Reggie's been taking care of his family. On a couple of occasions, Reggie's (step)father borrowed money and he paid me back afterwards.''

Ornstein is the former director of club marketing for NFL Properties who in 1995 pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud for his actions in an attempt to defraud the league. Ornstein was sentenced to five years probation, four months of home confinement and had to make $160,000 restitution to the league for the crime, according to published reports.

As a followup to their meeting in New York, DeMartino said that Ornstein solicited via email a $500,000 down payment for a prospective memorabilia deal. The email is dated Dec. 29, five days before Bush played in his last college football game and within two weeks of signing a contract to be represented by Ornstein.

Ornstein acknowledges that he negotiated in principle numerous marketing deals on behalf of Bush during the 2005 season. NCAA rule 12.3.1.2 reads in part "an individual shall be ineligible ? if he or she (or his or her relatives or friends) accepts transportation or other benefits from any person who represents any individual in the marketing of his or her athletic ability."

Ornstein contends that he operated within the NCAA rules, since no deal was finalized until after the season.

"All of that was based on only if I got [Bush] as client," Ornstein told reporters at the NFL Draft in April. "It was only going to be if and when I signed him. No deal was ever consummated until Reggie signed with me after the season."

At the same time Bush's family was allegedly receiving money from Ornstein, they continued to take gifts and benefits from Michaels as well, according to two sources. Michaels bought them expensive dinners and took them on shopping trips, the sources said. And the family continued to live in Michaels' home, without paying rent, until April.

Bush asserted in April that he and his family did nothing improper after news of his parents' living arrangements surfaced on the eve of the NFL Draft.

"When this is all said and done, everybody will see at the end of the day that we've done nothing ? absolutely nothing wrong," Bush said during an interview with ESPN on April 24.

Bush's family was eventually evicted from the home in Spring Valley after failing to pay approximately $54,000 agreed to in a lease with Michaels. A source said the family also promised to buy the home from Michaels at one point. It's now up for sale. When the family moved out, Michaels said they also took approximately $12,000 worth of furniture purchased by Michaels.

GROUND TRANSPORTATION


Beyond the house and other payments, sources say New Era Sports paid for a pristine, black-on-black 1996 Chevrolet Impala SS for Bush.

Although the car was almost 10 years old, the model is popular for a number of stylistic reasons. First off, the car, which features a small block, V-8 engine, is particularly fast. Second, it boasted a frame fitted for wide, speed-rated tires, which allows it to be detailed with large rims. Sources say that after Bush took control of the car early in 2005 it was decked out with such rims and an expensive stereo system was installed.

The car was allegedly purchased for Bush. Sources say it was bought in the Los Angeles area.

Bush is also seen sitting on the hood of a car fitting that description in a full-page photo in the June/July issue of DUB Magazine, which is dedicated to high-performance and detailed cars. It regularly features pictures and articles about athletes and their automobiles.

THE GREAT DIVIDE


Bush, his family and attorney David Cornwell have been in on-again, off-again settlement discussions with Michaels and Lake since January. At one point early in the negotiations, Cornwell offered Michaels and attorney Brian Watkins, who represented Michaels at the time and still represents Lake, $100,000 to settle the matter, a source said.

The offer was turned down and Watkins countered by saying that Michaels and Watkins lost more than $300,000 in money advanced to Bush and his family and in start-up costs for the company. Watkins also sent Cornwell a letter saying he would file a lawsuit against Bush for upwards of $3.2 million in damages.

Cornwell denied that he had ever made an offer to settle. He was asked to comment about the hotel receipts linking Bush and New Era's Michaels.

"With respect to the receipt, I have one question: Did it total $3.2 million?" Cornwell said Sept. 7. "Beyond that, I will not comment on documents I have not seen." :scared

Cornwell, who represents both Bush and Ornstein, declined to comment when reached Wednesday night about the alleged benefits provided by Ornstein.

Both Michaels and Lake had no known history as agents prior to being involved with Bush and starting New Era. They said they plan to sue and did not want to discuss specifics of the case. However, there was no denying their sense of betrayal.

"I'm still trying to figure out how (he) and his family are trying to leave me out to the wolves like they did," Michaels said Aug. 16 as he sat in his living room in El Cajon, Calif. "The truth will come out someday."

Meanwhile, USC and Bush are moving on.

According to a story in the Los Angeles Times, parents were required sign a statement acknowledging that they had been informed of the rules.

"We've always talked about the stuff, this time we gave them a little handy handout," Carroll said of the parents in The Times. "I know that even without doing anything, their awareness is elevated."


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cant believe that anyone can defend Bush after what he did and not to mention took a huge dump on top of USCs head.

When have you ever read that anyone , and I mean anyone took more cash and gifts than Reggie did ?

The thing is when you take money from agents before you reach the NFL , you are supposed to pay it back in full. Reggie hasnt even done that.

He deserves to be in the crud pit.

Giving up the Heisman is the biggest most embarressing thing that could ever every happen to a college football player.

It dont seem like he cared much about it.

Easy come easy go as some say.
 
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Also, I love how Pete Carroll always gets dragged into this without even a hint of allegation is pretty funny. His record, the location of the school and the dominance of the program in his tenure is all that is needed to convict him in the eyes of most college football fans. Everyone hates a winner unless he happens to be your own coach.
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If you dont understand that Pete knew all about this situation and the sanctions coming down then there is not much help for you.

And if you do not understand that this is why Pete left for the NFL then you got another duh against you.

Pete would have never left USC.

He will be back coaching college ball within a year or two anyway.
 

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Posted on September 20, 2010 at 10:58 PM


GULF OF MEXICO -- At the height of the oil spill, more than one third of the Gulf's federal waters were closed as a precaution, amid fears of what the oil could be doing to the water and marine life.

Since then, 40,000 square miles of the Gulf have reopened, though the initial closures prompted calls for testing, especially of seafood.

"We're making good progress and sampling very, very carefully, making sure areas that we are reopening is in fact safe to reopen and that the seafood is free of contaminants," said Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Multiple agencies are involved in that seafood testing. However, the job mainly falls to NOAA, in conjunction with the Food and Drug Administration. Yet, now, some independent scientists are expressing concerns that the seafood testing falls short of being thorough -- even though government officials have said Gulf seafood is safe to eat.

When Dr. William Sawyer was asked whether those safety claims could be backed up with the testing done so far, he replied: "Absolutely not, especially with respect to Louisiana shrimp."

Sawyer is a Florida-based toxicologist, hired by a New Orleans law firm to look at test results of water and seafood samples. Some tests revealed elevated levels of hydrocarbons in seafood. He said what concerns him most, though, is an FDA map, showing where shrimp samples were collected in July, in the waters around St. Bernard Parish.

"Almost all of the trawl samples were collected near shore, that is, within one-mile of shore, or in the bayous," Sawyer said. "Only one trawl sample was collected offshore."

The samples fell within the safe range and that area of water was eventually reopened. However, Sawyer believes more testing was needed.

"FDA has not followed methodology that is generally accepted by science and instituted by the EPA [Environmental Protection Agency] and that requires a reasonable random sampling of the area, with sufficient samples to statistically determine what is present," he said.

On Monday, officials reiterated their commitment to testing Gulf seafood as they toured a NOAA research vessel in St. Mary Parish.

"Just within the last few weeks alone, we pulled over a thousand areas of opened areas, and not one of those samples came back with a negative finding," said U.S. Coast Guard Rear Adm. Paul Zunkunft, federal on-scene coordinator for the oil spill. "This continues to be and will be for some time, the most sampled seafood on the face of the earth."

An online interactive map shows where the testing has been done so far. Still, some local officials had questions about the testing.

"I never saw any samples taken anywhere closer than the mouth of the Atchafalaya. Why is that?" St. Mary Parish President Paul Naquin asked to Rear Adm. Zunkunft.

Zunkunft replied: "That's what we're working right now."

NOAA scientists on Monday said they are in constant communication with their fleet of vessels now conducting testing in the Gulf. The reason for that is to help determine where the ships should be sent to conduct tests, based on where any spill-related anomalies are found in the Gulf. To take a look at the interactive map showing the testing sites so far
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The seafood is contaminated and will be for many many years to come.

Its a shame really .

I dont feel good about it, but you got to face facts.
 

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:toast: i played ball 3 years in college T.....if someone woulda waved a envelope in froont of me hard to say i would not of taken it....and i am what i like to consider good people...i go to church, have a good family, never really broke the law and if someone waves money in front of me, and ecspecially offers to help my mother out, hard to say i turn it down at age 20-22....but thats jut me i guess...

apparently scott-atlanta walks on water and pisses excellence
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well,i don`t think i will comment on bush`s "morality"....but,he had to take responsibility for his situation...


i mean,if he actually was an honor student and a doctor-to-be,he obviously didn`t just fall off the turnip truck... ...

it was on bush...not his step-father ot his agent....that`s too easy...

credit to him ...he owned it...and he paid the price...

all of which had nothing to do with his injury...nobody in their right mind would wish harm on a great athlete...i mean,the guy wasn`t a murderer...
 

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You are a piece of sh*t

It's called Karma:00x4

and obviously was not a college athlete. He broke a RULE, big deal. Any injury that puts you out for several weeks can linger for a long time even a career.
 

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If you dont understand that Pete knew all about this situation and the sanctions coming down then there is not much help for you.

And if you do not understand that this is why Pete left for the NFL then you got another duh against you.

Pete would have never left USC.

He will be back coaching college ball within a year or two anyway.


If you dont understand that Pete knew all about this situation and the sanctions coming down then there is not much help for you.

And if you do not understand that this is why Pete left for the NFL then you got another duh against you.

Pete would have never left USC.

He will be back coaching college ball within a year or two anyway.[/QUOTE]

Not really sure what you are trying to say about Carroll.

If its that Pete knew about the allegations, I guess he can read a newspaper like the rest of us. Or, perhaps its protocol to be informed when there is an investigation of one of your players going on. The investigation began in 2006, and dragged on for 4 years. Its

If you are trying to say he knew Reggie's family was getting paid while he was playing, I have no idea, but there is zero allegations and zero evidence. The only evidence that even mentions Carroll is the allegation by the ex-con agent AGAINST Bush that Bush was worried Carroll might find out about his families arrangements in the 2005 season as that article mentions.

As far as sanctions coming down, he was gone before the trial began. So for him to somehow know what the NCAA would do before the trial even began, doesn't really make sense either. Sanctions were extremely harsh to say the least - I don't think he or the school expected that. What really killed them in the end was lumping Mayo into the Reggie case and calling it lack of institutional control. That, and having a idiot like Mike Garrett leading the defense.
 
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