Reid is not backing down

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Senate leader Harry Reid is not backing down at all on his claims that Romney did not pay taxes for ten years. Now capitol reporter Dana Bash is reporting that she has confirmed the story through multiple sources.

I am not going to pass any judgement here but this is bullshit. Willard responds to what he calls "irresponsible unfounded accusations" by doing the exact same thing in the very same sentence by saying that this "probably came from the White House."

Now I know what will happen here in this thread, one of the blind followers will post some ignorant statement about the President, so, let me say that this post HAS ZERO TO DO WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA!!

I am talking strictly about Willard Romney, let's see if our Republican posters can make an intelligent commentary without bringing in the bashing bs that always happens.

The fact of the matter is that this tax issue is going to grow and I personally believe will ultimately prove to be true. JMHO

Hope that helps,
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Reid Got $1.1M In Shady NV Land Deals


A surprising admission from the DNC's Associated Press:




Reid got $1M in land sale

By JOHN SOLOMON and KATHLEEN HENNESSEY, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON ? Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews.

The Nevada Democrat's deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a major political bribery trial this summer and in other prior organized crime investigations. He's never been charged with wrongdoing ? except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press during a review of Reid's business dealings show:

? The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.

? In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

? After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown's company sold the land in 2004 to other developers and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling the senator's investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown's company without public knowledge, but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later.

Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week?

Senate ethics rules require lawmakers to disclose on their annual ethics report all transactions involving investment properties ? regardless of profit or loss ? and to report any ownership stake in companies.

Kent Cooper, who oversaw government disclosure reports for federal candidates for two decades in the
Federal Election Commission, said Reid's failure to report the 2001 sale and his ties to Brown's company violated Senate rules.

"This is very, very clear," Cooper said. "Whether you make a profit or a loss you've got to put that transaction down so the public, voters, can see exactly what kind of money is moving to or from a member of Congress."

"It is especially disconcerting when you have a member of the leadership, of either party, not putting in the effort to make sure this is a complete and accurate report," said Cooper. "That says something to other members. It says something to the Ethics Committee."

Other parts of the deal ? such as the informal handling of property taxes ? raise questions about possible gifts or income reportable to Congress and the IRS, ethics experts said.

Stanley Brand, former Democratic chief counsel of the House, said Reid should have disclosed the 2001 sale and that his omission fits a larger culture in Congress where lawmakers aren't following or enforcing their own rules?

SALE HIDDEN FROM CONGRESS

Reid and his wife, Landra, personally signed the deeds selling their full interest in the property to Brown's company, Patrick Lane LLC, for the same $400,000 they paid in 1998, records show.

Despite the sale, Reid continued to report on his public ethics reports that he personally owned the land until it was sold again in 2004. His disclosure forms to Congress do not mention an interest in Patrick Lane or the company's role in the 2004 sale.

AP first learned of the transaction from a former Reid aide who expressed concern the deal hadn't been properly reported.

Reid isn't listed anywhere on Patrick Lane's corporate filings with Nevada, even though the land he sold accounted for three-quarters of the company's assets?

Reid's two lots were never owned by the government, but the piece of land joining Reid's property to the street corner ? a key to the shopping center deal ? came from the government in 1994.

One of the sellers was Fred Lessman, a vice president of land acquisition at Perma-Bilt Homes.

Around the time of the 1998 sale, Lessman and his company were completing a complicated federal land transfer that also involved an Arizona-based developer named Del Webb Corp.

In the deal, Del Webb and Perma-Bilt purchased environmentally sensitive lands in the Lake Tahoe area, transferred them to the government and then got in exchange several pieces of valuable Las Vegas land.

Lessman was personally involved, writing a March 1997 letter to Interior lobbying for the deal. "This exchange has been through many trials and tribulations ? we do not need to create any more stumbling blocks," Lessman wrote.

For years, Reid also had been encouraging Interior to make land swaps on behalf of Del Webb, where one of his former aides worked.

In 1994, Reid wrote a letter with other Nevada lawmakers on behalf of Del Webb, and then met personally with a top federal land official in Nevada. That official claimed in media reports he felt pressured by the senator. Reid denied any pressure.

The next year, Reid collected $18,000 in political donations from Del Webb's political action committee and employees. Del Webb's efforts to get federal land dragged on.

In December 1996, Reid wrote a second letter on behalf of Del Webb, urging Interior to answer the company's concerns. The deal came together in summer and fall 1997, with Perma-Bilt joining in.

In January 1998 ? just days before he bought his land ? Reid applauded the Lake Tahoe land transfers, saying they would create the "gateway to paradise."?

Clark County intended for the property Reid owned to be used solely for new housing, records show. Just days before Reid sold the parcels to Brown's company, Brown sought permission in May 2001 to rezone the properties so a shopping center could be built.

Career zoning officials objected, saying the request was "inconsistent" with Clark County's master development plan. The town board in Spring Valley, where Reid's property was located, also voted 4-1 to reject the rezoning.

Brown persisted. The Clark County zoning board followed by the Clark County Commission voted to overrule the recommendation and approve commercial zoning. Such votes were common at the time.

Before the approval in September 2001, Brown's consultant told commissioners that Reid was involved. "Mr. Brown's partner is Harry Reid, so I think we have people in this community who you can trust to go forward and put a quality project before you," the consultant testified.

With the rezoning granted, Patrick Lane pursued the shopping center deal. On Jan. 20, 2004, the company sold the property to developers for $1.6 million. Today, a multimillion dollar retail complex sits on the land.

On Jan. 21, 2004, Reid received more than $1.1 million of the sale proceeds. Reid disclosed the money the following year on his Senate ethics report as a personal sale of land, not mentioning Patrick Lane?

Brown's name has surfaced in federal investigations involving organized crime, casinos and political bribery since the 1980s.

This past summer, federal prosecutors introduced testimony at the bribery trial of former Clark County Commission chairman Dario Herrara that Brown had taken money from a Las Vegas strip club owner to influence the commission. Herrara was convicted of taking kickbacks. Brown was never called as a witness?

Tell us more about "Honest Leadership," Mr. Reid.


Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week?

That?s your "open government" right there.

I didn?t realize that politicians were allowed to speculate in the real estate market.

Or do such proscriptions only apply to those hopelessly corrupt Republicans?

Speaking of which, lest we forget, here is Senator Reid on his moral high horse just last December, courtesy of the (then elated) Associated Press:
 

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I agree, release his tax returns and Obama UNSEAL his RECORDS.

Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13489 on Jan. 21, 2009, one day after being sworn in as the 44th president of the United States.

See Skul, that is exactly what I mean. So for Romney to do what every other presidential candidate has done and has been expected to do, there always has to be a toll on the Obama campaign. The tax records have absolutely nothing to do with the President's transcripts, or anything else that isn't a tax return. Reid's land dealings have nothing to do with Willard Romney's failure to provide the expected documentation. Not only that, what do you think to gain by seeing someones transcripts (keeping in mind of course that G.W. not only didn't release his but also didn't even release his supposed military records)? Will he cease to become President if his grades weren't that great? The fact of the matter is that he released a full form birth certificate and the haters still question it's validity even though it is right in front of them, and you are saying that it's the left wing that keeps saying things long enough so you will believe them? Sounds a little bit like a pot and the color black.
 

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See Skul, that is exactly what I mean. So for Romney to do what every other presidential candidate has done and has been expected to do, there always has to be a toll on the Obama campaign. The tax records have absolutely nothing to do with the President's transcripts, or anything else that isn't a tax return. Reid's land dealings have nothing to do with Willard Romney's failure to provide the expected documentation. Not only that, what do you think to gain by seeing someones transcripts (keeping in mind of course that G.W. not only didn't release his but also didn't even release his supposed military records)? Will he cease to become President if his grades weren't that great? The fact of the matter is that he released a full form birth certificate and the haters still question it's validity even though it is right in front of them, and you are saying that it's the left wing that keeps saying things long enough so you will believe them? Sounds a little bit like a pot and the color black.

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very well put fats.


as usual Skul does not answer this type of post.

because he really has no answers.

just smears and hate. Its all he has.

TIA

pity really
 

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Senate leader Harry Reid is not backing down at all on his claims that Romney did not pay taxes for ten years. Now capitol reporter Dana Bash is reporting that she has confirmed the story through multiple sources.

I am not going to pass any judgement here but this is bullshit. Willard responds to what he calls "irresponsible unfounded accusations" by doing the exact same thing in the very same sentence by saying that this "probably came from the White House."

Now I know what will happen here in this thread, one of the blind followers will post some ignorant statement about the President, so, let me say that this post HAS ZERO TO DO WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA!!

I am talking strictly about Willard Romney, let's see if our Republican posters can make an intelligent commentary without bringing in the bashing bs that always happens.

The fact of the matter is that this tax issue is going to grow and I personally believe will ultimately prove to be true. JMHO

Hope that helps,
FDC

Reid has to know something to throw out an accusation like this. A politician this high up knows how to play this game.
 

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See Skul, that is exactly what I mean. So for Romney to do what every other presidential candidate has done and has been expected to do, there always has to be a toll on the Obama campaign. The tax records have absolutely nothing to do with the President's transcripts, or anything else that isn't a tax return. Reid's land dealings have nothing to do with Willard Romney's failure to provide the expected documentation. Not only that, what do you think to gain by seeing someones transcripts (keeping in mind of course that G.W. not only didn't release his but also didn't even release his supposed military records)? Will he cease to become President if his grades weren't that great? The fact of the matter is that he released a full form birth certificate and the haters still question it's validity even though it is right in front of them, and you are saying that it's the left wing that keeps saying things long enough so you will believe them? Sounds a little bit like a pot and the color black.

Be thankful you got that answer out of that ass hat. Usually it is a you tube clip a four year old would post.
 
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So are you accusing him of illegally avoiding taxes? If not, your point would be that, like every other American, he takes advantage of the legal deductions allowed to lower his obligation to pay taxes. In other words, you don't have a point.

Normal people would think less of him if he did the opposite and didn't hire a tax advisor to lower his exposure.

Instead of taking the easy way out and raising taxes, most citizens on either side of the political spectrum are in favor of closing the loopholes but, that won't happen because...THIS JUST IN...all of the politicians in power take advantage of the loopholes.

To be solution oriented, here's the first one that should go....a tax credit for having a kid.

I really don't care for Romney but, Harry Reid will eventually be behind bars.
 
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See Skul, that is exactly what I mean. So for Romney to do what every other presidential candidate has done and has been expected to do, there always has to be a toll on the Obama campaign. The tax records have absolutely nothing to do with the President's transcripts, or anything else that isn't a tax return. Reid's land dealings have nothing to do with Willard Romney's failure to provide the expected documentation. Not only that, what do you think to gain by seeing someones transcripts (keeping in mind of course that G.W. not only didn't release his but also didn't even release his supposed military records)? Will he cease to become President if his grades weren't that great? The fact of the matter is that he released a full form birth certificate and the haters still question it's validity even though it is right in front of them, and you are saying that it's the left wing that keeps saying things long enough so you will believe them? Sounds a little bit like a pot and the color black.

Google Harry Reid is a PEDOPHILE, an unnamed source says it's true.

Hey skul. I don't think you understood FDC's post. Here it is again for you.

TIA
 

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First off want a brilliant move by the left.. It wont matter if Reids claims are true or not. Its out there. Fact or fiction its implanted in the minds of the public. And for the Romney haters Romney is already guilty of tax evasion. Dems cant run on Obamas record and how ironic this statement was made the same day as the unemployment rates were released. The tax thing is the only bullet in the chamber and Dems are running with it all way.

Its funny how our own political leanings can lead us to jump to conclusions and except something as FACT even without a single FACT or any evidence whatsoever.
For one thing look at the source. A big time Dem with tons to gain politically by getting Obama re elected, comes out and says he heard from a source that he cant reveal told him Romney didn?t pay taxes for 10yrs.. Without any hard evidence he is basically spreading rumors. Nobody is questiong this???

Anyone can say they have a mysterious source and can basically say anything they want about anybody. Embarrassing this is what has become of our elected officials.
The accusations may turn out to be true.. My point is wait and see before passing judgment. Libs and Dems should demand Reid get his evidence together and have some proof before he starts spreading rumors on the senate floor. This is playground stuff.

Tired of the negative campaigning and finger pointing on both sides. Somebody give me some evidence on how you are going to fix this mess
 

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So are you accusing him of illegally avoiding taxes? If not, your point would be that, like every other American, he takes advantage of the legal deductions allowed to lower his obligation to pay taxes. In other words, you don't have a point.

Normal people would think less of him if he did the opposite and didn't hire a tax advisor to lower his exposure.

Instead of taking the easy way out and raising taxes, most citizens on either side of the political spectrum are in favor of closing the loopholes but, that won't happen because...THIS JUST IN...all of the politicians in power take advantage of the loopholes.

To be solution oriented, here's the first one that should to....a tax credit for having a kid.

I really don't care for Romney but, Harry Reid will eventually be behind bars.

Huh? I don't care if he cheated on his taxes because I am sure he did. I do find it funny that you would be willing to accept his past CRIMINAL behavior of tax evasion, if it were indeed true as you are insinuating, and not only accept it but install a known criminal as leader of the free world. Wow!! To bad Dahmer is dead, he could be VP and not only shoot people in the face but eat it too!!!

You want a tax credit for having a kid?? Really? So you don't think that becomes a form of socialized welfare, the same shit everyone is screaming about from the right? He and his wife already got a $77,000.00 deduction for a horse they own. The current deduction for a child is $1000.00

No azBob, I am talking about the fact that Willard refuses to release his past tax records. An accusation from Harry Reid that he didn't pay any taxes for a decade is what is on the board here.

I then asked Skulnik a DIRECT question, which he has failed to answer and does not seem to be willing to admit that he cannot answer it without harpooning his own agenda of propaganda. That is the short of it Bob. Feel free to re-read any past posts.

I have absolutely nothing against Skulnik and I am truly hoping for an answer or at least a well thought attempt at one other than to say "google it".

Hope that helps,
FDC
 

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Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) said Thursday that Mitt Romney's refusal to release more than two years of tax returns could hurt him in the presidential election.

"I don't think this will go away," Jones told The Hill. "And if we're still talking about this in September, he's in deep trouble."

Many Republicans have called on Romney to release more than two years of tax returns to make the issue go away, including his former rivals Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman. Conservative pundits Bill Kristol and George Will, as well as the editors of the National Review, have also called on Romney to release the returns.

Romney has steadfastly refused to do so.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) recently reignited the tax return issue, telling The Huffington Post in an interview that he heard from a Bain Capital investor that Romney hadn't paid any taxes for 10 years. Romney called on Reid Thursday to out his source, or in his words, "put up or shut up." Reid responded that it is Romney's "obligation to put up" and "release several years? worth of tax returns just like nominees of both parties have done for decades."
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Willard is going to bet Reid 20 thousand dollars and a horse named Rafleca if he is lieing

only thing is he is a fraud

if we are still talking about this in Sept Willard is fawked.

So will Willard release his taxs ?

Hell no then he will be fawked.

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First off want a brilliant move by the left.. It wont matter if Reids claims are true or not. Its out there. Fact or fiction its implanted in the minds of the public. And for the Romney haters Romney is already guilty of tax evasion. Dems cant run on Obamas record and how ironic this statement was made the same day as the unemployment rates were released. The tax thing is the only bullet in the chamber and Dems are running with it all way.

Its funny how our own political leanings can lead us to jump to conclusions and except something as FACT even without a single FACT or any evidence whatsoever.
For one thing look at the source. A big time Dem with tons to gain politically by getting Obama re elected, comes out and says he heard from a source that he cant reveal told him Romney didn?t pay taxes for 10yrs.. Without any hard evidence he is basically spreading rumors. Nobody is questiong this???

Anyone can say they have a mysterious source and can basically say anything they want about anybody. Embarrassing this is what has become of our elected officials.
The accusations may turn out to be true.. My point is wait and see before passing judgment. Libs and Dems should demand Reid get his evidence together and have some proof before he starts spreading rumors on the senate floor. This is playground stuff.

Tired of the negative campaigning and finger pointing on both sides. Somebody give me some evidence on how you are going to fix this mess

Couldn't agree with you more about the bullshit political wranglings.
Whether it was political wrangling or steeped in truth, you are right, an absolutely brilliant move by Reid. Not only that but there is some movement now on Willard's statement concerning this.
I paraphrase but he said that the statements have absolutely no basis and he is just guessing, but if you look deep enough it is probably coming from the White House. So Willard's argument that Reid has no proof and is just grasping at straws is somehow made legitimate by saying something that he has no proof of either? Isn't he grasping at straws as well? Wow :facepalm:
Wow?!?! So the quickest and easiest solution, as President Obama quickly learned with his Birth certificate, is to simply publish therecords. The fact that his wife has gone on record as saying, "We already told YOU people everything YOU need to know" doesn't help. It also doesn't help that he took a $77,000 write off for a horse his wife owns.
This won't go away and the steadfast stubbornness that Willard has insisted on maintaining this issue will only feed the fire.
It is the whole "what are you hiding" thing and I truly think that he is hiding something. I don't think he paid taxes and I also believe that he made a ton of money over the last three years and if he were to show that, well that kind of beats down his entire economic platform, don't you think? The President is running on a platform of Community builder not economist and Willard loves pointing out how bad things are under our current administration. That is what I believe is going on. I think Reid was digging hard to find some dirt on the right with the way that they are attacking him and he may have accidentally hit his head on something big.

:toast:

Cheers Gibber.

Hope that helps,
FDC
 
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