Religious conservatives have finally come down to the level of liberals

[Nick Douglas]

My bad, I meant pro-choice. I always get those two mixed up.

I attempt to look at all issues from both sides, but this is a posting forum, not a doctoral dissertation.

Of course the government should protect human life. That's why government officials decided to invade Ira... errrr. That's why the government protects the people's right to own assault wea... errrr. That's why some in the government endorse the death pena... errrr.

Of course that last paragraph is totally unfair. I'm just making the point that sometimes one must make a choise between personal freedom and "life".

I f*cking hate that rationale about protests, "hurting the morale of the troops." I'd love to see a newly enlisted recruit tell his drill instructor that protestors are, "hurting his morale."

By that retarded rationale you must hate news reports about black criminals because it, "hurts Black morale." Or maybe we should rename the Redskins because it, "hurts Native American morale." Grow a pair of nuts.

I say keep it fair, honest and respectful. I'll grant you that many protestors don't do that, but the majority do.

 

[dr. freeze]

no, the military is different

war is a different story

i could care less about any other protests, unless they use violent means

 

[Nick Douglas]

You have to be honest and have good reason behind you when you ask someone to go to war. Generally, the reason people protest is that one or both of those things aren't happening.

Now, I'll admit you have a point on some level in this particular case because there are a good number of people protesting the war mainly because they dislike Bush and that certain segments of the media cover these protests more zealously than they should. Those two things are wrong in my view.

 

[dawgball]

I'm not sure what djv's point is, but he never makes sense so I'm not surprised. I am positive, though, that very few gays/lesbians have become that way because of a pair of Levi's.

Nick--my point was that I don't feel that my religious conviction is something to stand on a soapbox aobut daily. With regards to other issues of my country and world, I like to voice my opinion. Not to keep stirring the abortion pot (but I will just one more time), I don't look at it as a religious issue. I feel that one is either pro-saving a child's life or pro-allowing a pregnant woman to kill an unborn child. That doesn't really have much to do with religion, in my opinion.

But, to agree with you, I do agree that all people's personal religious convictions have been put in the shadows. But, can you blame them? If you are a known practicing Christian, the liberal left wants to burn you at the stake these days. The left wants to scream about allowing personal freedoms, but when someone does not agree with them they are automatically a bible-thumping neo-con.

So in short, in my private life my religion plays a much more evident role than in my public/professional life. Is this what you are referring to?

 

[smurphy]

no, the military is different

war is a different story

i could care less about any other protests, unless they use violent means

Should the Vietnam war have been protested?

Regarding morale of troops, I don't get that. I don't believe soldiers are that sensitive. They believe in their cause or not on their own. Isn't morale more connected with how they are led, what they face every day, and their own personal relationships? - Certainly they are not brought down from some hippies or liberals back home protesting. They are not so thin-skinned. I give them much more credit than that.

 

[djv]

If anyone thinks there point is right and the government is wrong They have the right to protest and should. Hey history shows us how wrong our government can be at times.

 

[dr. freeze]

they have the right to protest a war

and i have the right to call them unpatriotic !$@X%#$@ when they undermine the war effort in doing so

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Protesting is fine--when its done by the majority in common--
99% of protests in recents years are from special interest groups that have their own agenda which in most cases is contray to the will of the people---with 75% or more of those coming from liberal special interest groups.

"Should the Vietnam war have been protested?"
Will concede that this was not political protest as it occurred with both parties in power.--and agree we should not have been there in 1st place,primarily because chance of victory was remote considering China's proximity would not allow us fight conventional war.
Something to consider however--at the time we pulled out troops strength had already been cut substantially and casualty toll dropped about 70% from its peak--we were primarily in support role--however pressure from protestors including congressmen would setlte for nothing less than complete evacuation which which led the slaughter 100,000 + Viet Namese and 1,000,000+ Cambodians--which was apparently fine with all those protestors as they now turned their attention on more important issues like spitting on & dissing the GI's that came home, hell even some flip floping politicians made money writing books dissing th GI's that they spent a decade protesting to bring home.
Now if you want to find a comparison on the 2 wars you might be surprised where the comparisons can be made--take a walk through the Viet Nam time line below---and points can be made that something good did come out of Viet Nam War--

The domino theory was accurate. The ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) countries, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand stayed free of Communism because of the U.S. commitment to Vietnam. The Indonesians threw the Soviets out in 1966 because of America's commitment in Vietnam. Without that commitment, Communism would have swept all the way to the Malacca Straits that is south of Singapore and of great strategic importance to the free world. If you ask people who live in these countries that won the war in Vietnam, they have a different opinion from the American news media. The Vietnam War was the turning point for Communism. (Westmoreland papers)

Democracy Catching On - In the wake of the Cold War, democracies are flourishing, with 179 of the world's 192 sovereign states (93%) now electing their legislators, according to the Geneva-based Inter-Parliamentary Union. In the last decade, 69 nations have held multi-party elections for the first time in their histories. Three of the five newest democracies are former Soviet republics: Belarus (where elections were first held in November 1995), Armenia (July 1995) and Kyrgyzstan (February 1995). And two are in Africa: Tanzania (October 1995) and Guinea (June 1995). [Parade Magazine]

http://www.landscaper.net/timelin.htm#time line

 

[djv]

Our biggest problem since end of cold war. Is the selling of nuke material or nukes them self by some very friendly countries to us. However money is money in real world. Iran would have and still will cost us double the men Iraq has. But as more leaks out about Iran we find they should have been our first target. Does anyone think the Bush folks didn't know all this way before we did. What do we do when asked to leave.

 

[JCDunkDogs]

That was a brilliant rationalization of Vietnam. Wow, what a salvage for the US. So it was all okay in the end, huh?

Here's a better idea: Instead, what if LBJ doesn't fabricate the Tonkin Gulf incident, the US doesn't go to war half-way around the world, billions of dollars aren't spent on war munitions, a million American service personnel and their families don't have to rearrange their lives for a decade, an ancient civilization half-way around the world is not showered with more ordinance than was dropped in all of WWII, the guy that lives next-door to you who is in the Navy doesn't lose his leg, 58,000 plus military lives aren't sent to oblivion, no one in uniform gets spat on coming home, hippie kids go back to listening to the Stones, Oliver Stone doesn't get the Oscar for "Platoon," the "Vietnam syndrome" doesn't poison our mood, the war memorial on the Mall--that so many don't like--never gets built, LBJ runs for reelection in 1968 and makes the "Great Society" even greater, and liberals and conservatives don't waste a lot of hot air debating how people 12,000 miles away are governed.

As an ancillary bonus, without the "Vietnam syndrome" hanging over our heads, our enemies don't view us as "too squeemish" to suffer losses on the ground, we still carry the big stick, Sadaam Hussein does not invade Kuwait, we go in and smoke Malosevich, "Black Hawk Down" does not become a training film for al-Qaeda, and Osama Bin Laden would still be wandering the desert looking for followers.

 

[xusnhtus]

while we're at it....what if Reagen doesn't give weapons to Iraq to punish iranian goverment for hostages?