Requiring Photo ID to Vote - thoughts?

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What would a voter "fraud" thread be without mention of sketchy, faulty and tampered diebold mechanisms set up in Dem leaning districts, vote caging or shady decisons to unilaterally toss people off of the rolls. Remember that in 2000, upwards of 10,000 people--virtually all blacks--were expunged from the roll on election day in Florida. It was later found out that those folks had been wrongly taken off the rolls. It was the first year that Florida had a private company in charge of voter rolls, as opposed to a bipartisan election commission. As it turns out the private corp doing it were heavy donors to the republican party. Why in the world do you suppose they would want to toss black people off of the voting rolls. Thankfully, Florida was not a very contested state back in 2000. :SIB

For anyone to think only one party is out there doing shady election tactics is ridiculous and an example of what I find wrong with partisan politics: It is ok as long as its my guys doing it.

I stand by my above comments that I am in favor of photo laws. Dems would be better served working with the new laws, fighting for monies and easier access to these photos. But, we all would be better served with comprehensive, fair voting reform. But, we only got reform that will likely punish Dems out of the Republican led Congress. Now, that Dems are in charge, maybe they will pass their own one-sided version of reform?

Anyway, just to balance out DTB's rhetoric against ACORN, I submit the following read. It is compelling stuff, but since it is from the left leaning American Prospect it probably will be ignored out of course by our resident conservatives.

My favorite part of piece was the Ashcroft election in 2000. He was so convinced it was cheating that brought down his downfall, as opposed to the citizens of his state really not wanting him anymore, that an investigation was commissioned. No fraud was found, yet they did uncover upwards of 50,000 legal voters being tossed off the rolls in St. Louis. Wonder what the ethnicity was of those folks. :shrug:



The Republican War on Voting

Using the Department of Justice, friendly governors, and its usual propaganda outlets, the GOP has propagated the myth of voter fraud to purge the rolls of non-Republicans.

Art Levine | April 1, 2008



One week before the close of voter registration in Kentucky last fall, in an election that culminated with the victory of Democratic gubernatorial candidate Steve Beshear, Johanna Sharrard, a fresh-faced 26-year-old national organizer for the low-income advocacy group ACORN, gathered her canvassers in a run-down Louisville office and told them some good news: "We got 396 people yesterday -- that's really great!" Then she added what could have seemed a jarringly discordant note: "We know it's getting harder to reach people with the cards in this area. It's really important that you guys are not slipping up and turning to filling out your own applications or other fraudulent activity. Just yesterday we had to let another person go because she did not follow protocols." Sharrard continued sternly, "What's important is that we get 15,000 new voters. We're not out there to get 10,000 new voters and 5,000 false applications."

Indeed, the voter registration waged by ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) in Kentucky was also an effort to test the group's new system for rooting out any fraud. The organization is readying itself for the challenges to voter participation that the poor and minorities -- and Democrats -- are sure to face in 2008.

Sharrard's cautionary tone was a response to the Republican Party's ongoing nationwide campaign to suppress the low-income minority vote by propagating the myth of voter fraud. Using various tactics -- including media smears, bogus lawsuits, restrictive new voting laws and policies, and flimsy prosecutions -- Republican operatives, election officials, and the GOP-controlled Justice Department have limited voting access and gone after voter-registration groups such as ACORN. Which should come as no surprise: In building support for initiatives raising the minimum wage and kindred ballot measures, ACORN has registered, in partnership with Project Vote, 1.6 million largely Democratic-leaning voters since 2004. All told, non-profit groups registered over three million new voters in 2004, about the same time that Republican and Justice Department efforts to publicize ?voter fraud? and limit voting access became more widespread. And attacking ACORN has been a central element of a systematic GOP disenfranchisement agenda to undermine Democratic prospects before each Election Day.

Revelations that U.S. attorneys were fired for their failure to successfully prosecute voter fraud have revealed how fictitious the allegations of widespread fraud actually were -- but the allegations haven't gone away. They live on in all the vote-suppressing laws and regulations that will likely affect this year's election, in GOP rhetoric and, most recently, in the arguments presented by champions of Indiana's restrictive voter-identification law in a case currently before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, progressives have tended to pay more attention to Election Day dirty tricks and to electronic voting machines than to a more systemic threat: the Republican campaign to suppress the votes of low-income, young, and minority voters through restrictive legislation and rulings, all based on the mythic specter of voter fraud. Those relatively transient voters, drawn to the polls this year by the Obama and Clinton campaigns, could find themselves thwarted in November and thereafter by the GOP-driven regime of voting restrictions -- particularly if, as many observers believe, the Court upholds Indiana's restrictive law before it adjourns this June.

Voter fraud is actually less likely to occur than lightning striking a person, according to data compiled by New York University's Brennan Center for Justice. As Lorraine Minnite, a Columbia University professor, observed in the Project Vote report, The Politics of Voter Fraud, "The claim that voter fraud threatens the integrity of American elections is itself a fraud." In October 2002, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft launched an intensive "Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative" that required all U.S. attorney offices to coordinate with local officials in combating voter fraud. Yet even after the Justice Department declared the war against voter fraud a "high priority," only 24 people were convicted of illegal voting in federal elections between 2002 and 2005 -- and nobody was even charged by Justice with impersonating another voter. (The Justice Department declined to answer questions about more recent fraud prosecutions.) And despite the anti-immigrant frenzy fueling photo-ID laws, only 14 noncitizens were convicted of illegally voting in federal elections from 2002 through 2005 -- mostly because of their ignorance of election law.

Unfortunately, the public hasn't heard just how nonexistent the voter fraud epidemic actually is. While progressives have successfully challenged some of the most restrictive laws in court, they're still playing catch-up when it comes to combating the glib sound bites of voter-fraud alarmists. Republicans and the Bush Justice Department have cloaked their schemes under such noble-sounding concepts as "ballot integrity." The GOP's vote-suppression playbook features everything from phony lawsuits to questionable investigations to authoritative-seeming reports, all with the aim of promoting restrictive laws. These tactics were first perfected in the hotly contested swing state of Missouri.

The roots of John Ashcroft's passion on this issue go back to the chaos of Election Day 2000 in St. Louis, when hundreds, if not thousands, of mostly inner-city voters were turned away from polling places because their names were not on voting rolls. The resulting last-minute court battle kept some polling places open for 45 minutes after their scheduled closing time of 7 P.M. Ashcroft, then the Republican U.S. Senate nominee, lost his race to the dead Democratic governor, Mel Carnahan, whose name stayed on the ballot weeks after he died in a plane crash. At an election-night party, an infuriated Republican Sen. Kit Bond pounded the podium and screamed, "This is an outrage!" -- and subsequently charged that Republican losses were due in part to dogs and dead people voting. As one local government official observed, "In St. Louis, 'dogs and dead people' is code for black people [voting fraudulently]."

That election night gave birth to the new right-wing voter-fraud movement, while Missouri became a proving ground for the vote-suppression campaigns that later spread to other key states. Missouri's then-Secretary of State Matt Blunt, now governor, launched a trumped-up investigation that concluded that more than 1,000 fraudulent ballots had been cast in an organized scheme. A Justice Department Civil Rights Division investigation, started before Ashcroft shifted the department's priorities, found no fraudulent ballots, however. Instead, it discovered that the St. Louis election board had improperly purged 50,000 voters from the rolls.

Nonetheless, the template for smear campaigns, groundless lawsuits, and politicized prosecutions used across the country had been set in Missouri. Key roles were played by many of the same GOP zealots who later made their mark on the national drive to fight voter fraud, among them St. Louis attorney Thor Hearne, the 2004 Bush-Cheney campaign election counsel who later launched the GOP front group, the American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR). And as early as 2002, the executive director of the Missouri Republican Party pioneered a new dirty trick: publicly "filing" with the Federal Election Commission a 26-page complaint against the state's leading registration group, known as Pro Vote, that charged it with secretly conspiring with Democrats in the Senate race -- but then failing to sign the document so the agency never considered it.

The goal of such complaints and allegations was to create a barrage of negative publicity about voter-registration groups and the voter-fraud menace that could pave the way for restrictive laws. In Missouri, the Republicans' cries for a new state photo-ID law began in 2002, before the GOP blitz in most other states. The legislature passed such a bill in early 2006, before it was struck down that September by a Missouri state court as unconstitutional.

The GOP in Missouri also turned to prosecutions and lawsuits, most either overblown or groundless. In November 2005, Bradley Schlozman, then the Justice Department's acting civil-rights chief, insisted on filing a lawsuit that accused Missouri's secretary of state, Robin Carnahan, a Democrat, of failing to purge supposedly ineligible voters under federal law. (U.S. Attorney Todd Graves was forced out in March 2006 for having balked at filing the suit.) A federal judge, who found that the Justice Department did not produce any evidence showing fraud justifying the purges, dismissed the lawsuit in April 2007. The department continues to appeal the ruling.

The fraud-obsessed Schlozman was then moved into Graves' old post without Senate confirmation, through a loophole in the Patriot Act. In an apparent effort to discredit both Democrats and ACORN, just five days before the tight Senate election in 2006 between incumbent Republican Jim Talent and Democrat Claire McCaskill, Schlozman announced, in violation of the department's own standards, the indictment of four former ACORN workers who had been fired by ACORN for filling out false voter-registration forms. The indictments were part of a broader effort to tilt the campaign against Democrats by bashing ACORN and limiting voter access. St. Louis' Republican election director, Scott Leiendecker, sent out a chilling letter shortly before the election to 5,000 mostly African Americans registered by ACORN, asking them to verify to the election board that they were eligible to vote. Leiendecker backed off after he faced the threat of a voting-rights lawsuit and received a warning letter from Secretary of State Carnahan.


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What began in Missouri soon went nationwide. Starting in 2003, the Justice Department's civil-rights division issued a flurry of advisory letters, rulings, and lawsuits under the guise of fighting fraud that appear designed to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters. Federal and state courts have struck down some of the laws shaped by policies promoted by the Justice Department, such as strict database-matching laws limiting new voters in Washington state and Florida. Even so, Justice Department-backed secretive purging policies have targeted voter-registration applicants and current voters in several key states: In Ohio in 2006, 303,000 voters were purged in three major urban counties, while the Brennan Center reported that Pennsylvania's rigid database rules, later loosened, had excluded up to 30 percent of eligible registrants. Karl Rove aide Tim Griffin played a major role in state GOP voter "caging" operations (that is, challenging the eligibility of registered voters) in such states as Ohio and Florida. These schemes, Project Vote reports, challenged the right of 77,000 mostly minority voters to cast ballots between 2004 and 2006, under the pretext that non-forwardable letters sent by GOP activists to their addresses were returned as undelivered. Thor Hearne's now-vanished ACVR lobbied for strict voter-ID laws in nine states, according to McClatchy and other news organizations. Voter-ID laws in states such as Georgia, Arizona, and Indiana have, for now, been allowed to stand.

All these campaigns have created a kind of GOP vote-suppression playbook that aims to limit voting rights in the states and attack registration groups such as ACORN. In most states where ACORN wages ballot-initiative and voter-registration campaigns, Republican lawyers, officials, and some prosecutors routinely file dubious lawsuits and complaints to generate bad press for the voter-registration drives. The lawsuits seldom if ever succeed, but the bad press they engender creates a climate to pass restrictive voting laws.

In New Mexico by the summer of 2004, ACORN's effort to register voters in advance of the closely fought presidential election was a stunning success: The organization registered 35,000 voters, mostly in the Albuquerque area. "Republicans were freaking out," recalls John Boyd, an attorney for the state Democratic Party. Republicans accused ACORN of "manufacturing voters," conflating error-plagued cards with fraud while trumpeting one registration card filled out in the name of a 13-year-old boy. The boy's card became the centerpiece of the lawsuit Rep. Joe Thompson, an Albuquerque Republican, filed in August 2004 demanding that the state government require photo ID for voters registered by ACORN and other nonprofits. The lawsuit claimed that the Republican plaintiffs' votes were "diluted" by supposedly false registrations.

Their case fell apart in court, and by September, a judge dismissed the lawsuit. But Republicans were not deterred by their loss in civil court and pressed for a criminal investigation, a probe which U.S. Attorney for New Mexico David Iglesias started on the same day that the court ruled against the GOP. Iglesias was a true believer in the menace of voter fraud. As one of just two U.S. attorneys in the nation to form such task forces, he was invited to lecture other U.S. attorneys in 2005 as part of the annual Justice Department ballot-integrity conference.

Iglesias' efforts weren't enough for Patrick Rogers, the Republican National Lawyers Association point person in the state, who mounted a campaign to pressure Iglesias to bring criminal charges before the election, rather than form a task force. Indeed, even before Iglesias concluded in 2006 that there wasn't enough evidence to indict on voter fraud, major Republicans in the state had started asking the Bush administration for his removal. In early December 2006, Iglesias was one of seven U.S. attorneys whom the Justice Department fired.

Today, Iglesias says of voter fraud: "It's like the boogeymen parents use to scare their children. It's very frightening, and it doesn't exist. U.S. attorneys have better things to do with their time than chasing voter-fraud phantoms."

But the damage of chasing phantoms proved more substantial. In 2005, the state legislature, with the blessing of its Democratic governor, Bill Richardson, passed legislation that essentially crippled the ability of groups like ACORN to do mass voter registration. In 2006, ACORN had only 10 certified canvassers in the whole state, and registration plunged to 2,000 new applicants from 35,000 two years before, according to ACORN's top New Mexico organizer, Matt Henderson.

In Florida in 2004, ACORN's initiative to raise the state's minimum wage looked to be cruising to victory (it won with 71 percent of the vote), and brought in over 200,000 newly registered voters. That led business lobbies and the GOP to find a poster boy for fraud in a fired ACORN employee and ex-con named Mac Stuart, who spun elaborate tales of ACORN squirreling away hundreds of GOP voter applications it gathered but did not turn over to election officials. Republican attorneys filed two lawsuits featuring Stuart's claims. After the election, Stuart ultimately conceded that he made false statements about ACORN. In December 2005, federal judges dismissed both lawsuits.

But in the same month, the legislature passed one of the most restrictive voting-registration laws in the country. The new law fined every registration worker $5,000 for any lost application, potentially wiping out the entire budget of the state League of Women Voters if just 14 forms were lost and forcing the group to stop registering voters for the first time in over 70 years. It was not until August 2006 that a federal judge blocked enforcement of the law. However, a slightly revised version passed last year.

Responding to the GOP-generated hysteria over voter fraud, criminal investigations were launched in 2004 and 2005 in Wisconsin, Colorado, Florida, and Ohio, with ACORN often a target. But by the end of 2005, the investigations ended after finding either no evidence of wrongdoing by ACORN or any pervasive voter fraud. Nationally, only six former ACORN employees were charged with registration fraud or other election-related crimes in the 2004 election, offenses involving fewer than 20 forms. That's out of 1 million new voters registered by ACORN during that cycle.

Yet Thor Hearne, among others, took advantage of these assorted investigations and news accounts about fraud to create the fictional appearance of an epidemic, then added some fabrications of his own. Perhaps the wildest ACVR whopper -- seized on by The Wall Street Journal as late as November 2006 -- was the charge that ACORN and an affiliated group were under criminal investigation for "paying crack cocaine for fraudulent registration forms." Actually, the tale originated with the arrest of a Toledo-area man who may have received drugs while working for another volunteer for a now-defunct organization, not ACORN. Without substantiation, ACVR identified Democratic-leaning cities as hotspots for fraud. They were generally the same locations where U.S. attorneys later faced pressure over prosecutions, including Seattle, St. Louis, and Milwaukee. (The one exception to overblown investigations targeting ACORN was the indictment last year by a local Seattle prosecutor, welcomed by ACORN, of seven rogue ex-employees who had fabricated nearly 2,000 registration forms.)

The hyped reports, indictments, and hearings had their intended effect after the 2004 elections. Nearly 30 states considered bills to require photo ID or proof of citizenship to register or vote. While most of these measures haven't yet passed, those that have can be severe: An Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register has disenfranchised up to 60 percent of applicants in some counties.

Over the past few years, what began as local phony lawsuits and investigations escalated into a concerted drive by the Civil Rights Division to restrict voting. Since 2004, the goal of the state GOP vote-caging initiatives has become official Justice Department policy. The department has also promoted the equivalent of caging by pressuring 16 states and cities to speed up their purging of hundreds of thousands of voters through letters and lawsuits, as first reported by Alternet.

Alarmingly, the insubstantiality of the claims of pervasive voter fraud may not deter the U.S. Supreme Court from upholding Indiana's restrictive voter-ID law -- which, according to a new University of Washington study, could disenfranchise the more than 20 percent of the state's African American voters who lack the ID required by Indiana's law. Amazingly, Indiana has admitted that there hasn't been a single alleged case of in-person voter fraud in the state's history. Instead, Indiana's attorneys and legal allies, including the federal government, have submitted virtually nothing but unverified newspaper clippings and right-wing claims about fraud allegations in other states.

Indeed, the Supreme Court, in a little-noticed comment in an earlier ruling on Arizona's ID law, has already granted government the leeway to enact laws denying the vote based merely on fears of fraud, regardless of evidence. But outside of the world of voting experts, little attention has been paid to the lack of evidence in the federal court rulings leading up to the Indiana case. As Wendy Weiser of the Brennan Center observes, "The way this case has been decided so far [in lower courts] is that a state doesn't have to justify measures to suppress the vote."

The Supreme Court is expected to issue its Indiana ruling in the next few months, and it's considered unlikely that the Court will strike down the law.


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These days, weakened by the publicity over the U.S. attorneys scandal, the savvier voter-fraud propagandists are shifting their now-discredited arguments about massive voting by illegal immigrants to yet another "menace": "double voting." Republicans and some newspapers point to lists of the same names in different states to claim there has been large-scale double voting. Yet such sweeping double-voting claims are almost always due to administrative errors and the statistical probability that people with the same name and birth date will show up in large pools of voters.

Regardless of the facts, the drive for new voter-ID restrictions will likely be strengthened in the wake of the upcoming Supreme Court decision. There's little sign that progressives or Democrats are going to launch what the Brennan Center's Deborah Goldberg has called the "huge public education effort" needed to raise awareness about the problems with voter-ID laws. Democrats seemingly haven't yet grasped the political importance of fighting these restrictive policies, though they could prove a major impediment to minority voting (and if minorities voted at the same rate as whites, there would be 7.5 million more voters on Election Day).

But Johanna Sharrard and other ACORN leaders aren't going to be deterred by Republican obstacles and smears as they gear up for new registration drives this year that could be their most successful yet. Sharrard's campaign in Kentucky last year brought in over 14,000 new voters, a state record. And after seeing all the attacks against ACORN in Missouri and elsewhere, she realizes, "It's a good motivator; it showed us that that things we were doing are important." It's an open question, though, whether progressives will realize that it's worth fighting to make sure that the voters ACORN is trying to reach will actually have their votes count.


Art Levine is a contributing editor of U.S. News and World Report and of The Washington Monthly and has written for The New Republic, The Atlantic Monthly, and many other publications.
 

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Well mentioned above lets have more time to help all these working people vote. The 10 to 12 hour period is way out dated. This is mainly do to more voters and most working family's having two jobs. But try this one on the R party and they will shut it down fast. Both this plan and the troubled voting machines are bigger proplem then ID card. I wish surpreme court would stay the hell out of our voting.
 

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Had a little time to check out things today T.P.

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Remember that in 2000, upwards of 10,000 people--virtually all blacks--were expunged from the roll on election day in Florida. It was later found out that those folks had been wrongly taken off the rolls

I'm having hard time verifying this--could you provide link to your source

---and on your
The Republican War on Voting
Art Levine | April 1, 2008
I see we have another Huffington post author
Art Levine - Politics on The Huffington PostArt Levine is a contributing editor of The Washington Monthly, and a Fellow with the Progressive Policy Insititute. He has also written for Mother Jones, ...
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and on doing search on The rebublican War on Voting
google results
http://www.google.com/search?q=The+...ox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLD
Can't find a credible paper in the bunch that carried story--why?

Maybe you could provide some links with verification as I did on ACORN--like court proceedings--guilty pleas ect

concerning ACORN--new article out yesterday


By Eric Shawn and Becky Diamond

Editor?s note: The following is the first in an ongoing series about voter fraud in the U.S. Send FOX News your leads about suspected or proven election fraud at voterfraud@foxnews.com.

The Supreme Court ruling earlier this week that allows states to require voters to produce photo I.D.s is drawing criticism from voter registration groups, including one that was busted for election fraud in 2006.

ACORN is trying to register one million new voters this year and brands the decision, ?One more strike against the basic right to vote ? that further disenfranchises people of color and low income Americans.?

But if photo I.D. requirements had been the law in Washington state, the voter fraud scandal involving ACORN in 2006 would never have happened. According to Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed, the incident ?was the worst case of election fraud in our state?s history. It was an outrage.?

Two years ago ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, but there was a problem. The names were made up ? all but six of the 1,800 submissions were fakes. Reed said he was appalled.

?There is nothing more fundamental to a democratic republic and to a citizen of the United States than participating in selecting your public officials. For people to undermine that and try to perpetuate fraud on the system is an outrage,? he said.
The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.

John Jones, the head of ACORN?s Washington state office insists the situation was isolated

?It was a difficult time but you know what, that was the exception and not the rule. The exception was that something did not go right,? Jones said, denying that the organziation was responsible.

When authorities saw the forms ACORN?s employees submitted, they suspected they were forged. King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg filed felony charges against seven of the workers, five of whom pleaded guilty and went to jail.

Satterberg said showing a photo I.D. when people sign up to vote is the best way to prevent voter fraud.

?The most secure way to make sure the people who are coming to register are the people that they say they are is to require a picture I.D.?

But despite the scandal, ACORN believes that kind of requirement is too restrictive. Jones is proud of his organization?s record.

?We registered 40,000 people to vote (that year) so that made it a great year but you know we had a group of people who made a very, very bad move. When we found out we had a small handful of morons who decided to take it upon themselves to defraud the people of Washington state. ? We (were) upset,? he said.

ACORN paid a $25,000 settlement and agreed to monitoring of its voter registration efforts. While the ACORN office in Tacoma is still signing up new voters, no one needs a photo I.D. to register or vote. The democratically-controlled state Legislature turned that idea down
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...n-washington-have-been-avoided-with-photo-id/
 

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DTB, ask and ye shall receive:

Here are some basic stories I found in minutes doing a google search on the issue. Hardly coprehensive, but it gives you a taste of what I was getting at. I will add further commentary in an ensuing post, but dont have a ton of time now or all weekend for that matter.

We have had awesome weather up here this weekend, so I have been out playing and such! I am sure you're out trying to break par somewhere, but I just did not want you or anyone to think I was ducking anything.

Executive summary of a civil rights commission findings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/ccrdraft060401.htm

Washington Post did a two-part story on May 30 and June 1, 2001. For some reason, I cant find the second part.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30

Vanity Fair printed this story in October, 2004. It is long and tries to hash out the entire 2000 election. The purging of rolls is outlined in Part 3 of the article.
http://makethemaccountable.com/articles/The_Path_To_Florida.htm


Warning! Warning! Liberal Rag Alert! The Nation, is a very proud, liberal philosphical magazine, very similar to the National Review or the Weekly Standard, very proud, well written conservative philosphical magazines.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040517/palast


Basic, run of the mill story on the settling of a lawsuit pertaing to the issue
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/politics/main520754.shtml
 

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I'll see if I cant tie a ribbon around my thoughts/motives of my posts in this thread:

1.) One thing I am NOT trying to do is get into any sort of battle or argument about the 2000 election. Old News. So, lets throw any rhetoric from both sides on that topic away.

2.) During my google search, plenty of results came up with stories from the Miami Herlad, Tallahassee Democrat and Palm Beach Herald, but the pages the articles linked too had expired. Not sure how to get around that. Those papers seemed to be covering this issue throughout. I would consider those credible newspapers. The BBC covered it extensively thanks to the invesigative work of their reporter Greg Palast who I talk about below.

3.) The main journalist who broke the voter purge story was Greg Palast. His first big written story on the issue appeared in Salon, an unabashed liberal, democratic party publication. Slowly, but surely his findings were reported by the bigger dailies in the country.

Palast is an extraordinary investigative journalist. If I was starting a paper, my primary goal would be to be a watchdog of the government. And I would hire Palast and John Stossel as my two lead reporters. They get it. Most of the rest of today's journalists dont and would rather be friends with the big wigs in power. Geez, DTB, I would probably even have Krauthmauer on my list of desired columnists as well because despite his neo-con leanings, which I disagree with, he too is more old school 'i am here to expose government, not become its mouthpiece.' His are usually good reads.

4.) I do not know where I got the specific 10,000 voters figure. I read about this years ago. Memories aren't as great as they oince were. That is the number that stuck in my head, but apparently I pullled it out of my ass. My ass is smaller these days, but I thought it was because I have been going to the gym and back out running in the woods with the improved weather. But the articles I referenced do detail that plenty of people were wrongly denied their right to vote, a private company spearheaded the issue after earning a $4 million government contract and that the way it was handled was hardly on the up and up. And, I think I still made my point: That to say voter "fraud" is just being done by democrat organizations such as ACORN is ridiculous. However, this legislation that the Courts approved--which I agree with--still falls short because it only addresses one side of the issue.

5.) Quick sports update.....is anyone watching the Pens/Rangers Game 5? Rangers just got a pair of goals seconds of one another and its now 2-2 deep into the third. Damn, what a game.

6.) In reference to the American Prospect article I posted above. DTB discounts it because Art Levine has written before for the Huffington Post. So, if Krauthmauer had a blog on freerepublic.com, that would eliminate him as a credible source of journalism, right? Well according to your logic it would. And, I could not disagree any more with that sentiment. Levine has many credits to his name, including contributing editor for the US News and World Report. That is a terrific news magazine. You cant be just some hack to contribute. He was good enough for them, he's good enough for me. Like most ultra partisan people on both sides of the aisle, when they encounter something they dont like, they would rather shoot the messenger, and not address the message.

7.) The other critique that DTB had in the Levine piece was that no one else picked up the story. That criticism is weak at best. It appeared in print a month ago, for a publication that paid Levine for it. It is their's now. The Toledo Blade, as an example, cant just re run it as a matter of course. Who cares that it did not appear anywhere else. It was printed somewhere. Try addressing the facts in the article. But, if you persist in messenger shooting, then I offer the folllowing defenses. Not many publications are covering the Rezko situation. Does that mean its not happening? Or the Sun Times in Chicago is less credible for covering it? Um, No and No. The Washington Post was the only paper covering Watergate for nearly two years, so that must never have happened as well. Pretty much only Politico.Com is covering the new GI Bill Debate, so perhaps our Congress is not really grappling with the issue after all. McClatchey was the only news service penning stories debunking the WMD line. Very few picked up their stories, yet they have proved to be true.

If you are someone like me, you read and are interested in everything. I am a consistent reader of the New Republic, US News World Report, Politico, Mother Jones, National Review, Weekly Standard, Economist, Harper's, Atlantic Monthly, Time and so on. I love the internet because I can read all of it at my leisure and not have magazines or papers piling ujp all over the place. And, I love reading about politics, government and political theory. But, my point is, I rarely find the same story twice. And, I always find great stuff that are not in any of our daily papers or on our TV networks. Thats why the above reading list is preferred by me over television or newspapers. The stories are not regurigated from one another and the stories are more in depth. If I read a great feature story on how Democrats have given away the farm on biofuels in the Weekly Standard, but nobody else picked up the story, I dont discount the story. Frankly, I just dont see that critique holding any water.

Also, everyone might want to check out Project Censored. Every year they publish a book on the 25 biggest censored pieces of news. They've been doing it for years. DTB, you would have loved this in the 1990s, but you probably would hate it now. Me, I enjoy reading it all the time even if it irks me that these stories are not making traction due to censorship. But, the point is, there is censorship out there.

8. DTB, nice 2nd post on the ACORN issue. It pretty much spit out the same facts as the previous one. No news there. It find it pretty sad that you liken ACORN to some sort of enemy of the state. These people are out there trying to get people registered to vote and get them to take part in the system. That is a good thing. Seems like most of their work has been on the up and up and that they are contrite and embarrassed by what happened in Washington State. You are trying to paint a picture of some evil, anti-american organization. Dont you just hate those anti-democracy groups that are ought there trying to get people interested in voting. Damn them. How dare they. The American Prospect piece was meant to balance out your rhetoric on the issue. Now, just so you dont think this is a personal swipe at you, I do want you to know that I find it equally distasteful that people pile on the first time evangelical voters from recent elections. While I might disagree with their social platforms, I think it is a step forward for our country that they are in the ball game, voting and participating. I am in favor of people being registered to vote and then exercising that right. We have two parties in this country. They both have organizations on their behalf registering people to vote. Both probably are guilty of what ACORN did at various times. Problem is, the party in power will only investigate their opponents. As a registered independent, its too bad there is not an independent organization out there getting people to register as an "I" and not "force" a newbie into a party right off.

I've got more to say on the issue, but I will sign off for now. There is still some weekend left. Think I am going to take a blade and get some food for the grill.
 

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Thanks T.P--I read the Posts 1st 2 articles and skimmed the others--

What I got from 1st post article was probs in voting--with the machines--whether it be on machine malfunction or person not using correctly.

The 2nd was mostly on disenfranchised felon voters--which may be true on some--but per the article--
"Clearly, however, one of the major impediments to black voting was the purge of the voter rolls. Florida has one of the nation's strictest laws governing restoration of felons' voting rights. Thirty-one percent of the state's black men are barred from voting because of prior felonies."

--when you got such huge % of voters that are felons it leads to probabilty of more chance of error.

On the 10,000--if you say you saw it somewhere--thats good enough for me--as I consider you a straight shooter since I've known you--

I look for there to mass probs in 08--not from standpoint of intentionally/systematically not counting votes by either party but more so due to huge signup of 1st time voters--who will once again have prob with using voting machines 1st time--and knowing which candidate is getting 90% of new registrations--I look for press to once again--make it appear minorities are being targeted rather than the probability factor.


Appreciate the time you took to gather up sources--enjoyed reading them-Thank you
 

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Voting Machine Controversy
by Julie Carr Smyth

Published on Thursday, August 28, 2003 by the Cleveland Plain Dealer

COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.

Blackwell's announcement is still in limbo because of a court challenge over the fairness of the selection process by a disqualified bidder, Sequoia Voting Systems.

In his invitation letter, O'Dell asked guests to consider donating or raising up to $10,000 each for the federal account that the state GOP will use to help Bush and other federal candidates - money that legislative Democratic leaders charged could come back to benefit Blackwell.

They urged Blackwell to remove Diebold from the field of voting-machine companies eligible to sell to Ohio counties.

This is the second such request in as many months. State Sen. Jeff Jacobson, a Dayton-area Republican, asked Blackwell in July to disqualify Diebold after security concerns arose over its equipment.

"Ordinary Ohioans may infer that Blackwell's office is looking past Diebold's security issues because its CEO is seeking $10,000 donations for Blackwell's party - donations that could be made with statewide elected officials right there in the same room," said Senate Democratic Leader Greg DiDonato.

Diebold spokeswoman Michelle Griggy said O'Dell - who was unavailable to comment personally - has held fund-raisers in his home for many causes, including the Columbus Zoo, Op era Columbus, Catholic Social Services and Ohio State University.

Ohio GOP spokesman Jason Mauk said the party approached O'Dell about hosting the event at his home, the historic Cotswold Manor, and not the other way around. Mauk said that under federal campaign finance rules, the party cannot use any money from its federal account for state- level candidates.

"To think that Diebold is somehow tainted because they have a couple folks on their board who support the president is just unfair," Mauk said.

Griggy said in an e-mail statement that Diebold could not comment on the political contributions of individual company employees.

Blackwell said Diebold is not the only company with political connections - noting that lobbyists for voting-machine makers read like a who's who of Columbus' powerful and politically connected.

"Let me put it to you this way: If there was one person uniquely involved in the political process, that might be troubling," he said. "But there's no one that hasn't used every legitimate avenue and bit of leverage that they could legally use to get their product looked at. Believe me, if there is a political lever to be pulled, all of them have pulled it."

Blackwell said he stands by the process used for selecting voting machine vendors as fair, thorough and impartial.

As of yesterday, however, that determination lay with Ohio Court of Claims Judge Fred Shoemaker.

He heard closing arguments yesterday over whether Sequoia was unfairly eliminated by Blackwell midway through the final phase of negotiations.

Shoemaker extended a temporary restraining order in the case for 14 days, but said he hopes to issue his opinion sooner than that.

? 2003 The Plain Dealer
 
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