I've decided to create this thread to specifically address your comments directly, particularly some of the "parting shots" from the other day and some of the new evidence (Gibber) has presented. I've continued to research the subject and just came across some information (albeit also hearsay) that counters the narrative provided by mainstream media and the powers that be, which is basically what triggered this response. The previous thread, like many others, has devolved into another gong show!
Just to clarify, I previously stated that I remain unconvinced about the two brothers' involvement or their complicity. This does NOT mean that I believe in their complete innocence either. I JUST DON'T KNOW. Call me crazy, but I require substantial proof instead of merely relying on what the authorities and the media are saying, images that I need to connote, and more or less hearsay and speculation - which, apparently, is more than enough for most.
Here are some questions posted by another. I'll just cut and paste and delete those that I don't agree with because I do share many of her concerns!
"The mainstream media gave the aunt hardly any time to express her opinion which is frustrating seeing how she would be a good source for information on who these kids really were. What I want to know, is if these kids caused all of this; planted the bombs and successfully detonated them, stole a car and drove around Watertown shooting at police officers and throwing bombs out the window, caused a lockdown on the entire city; Where is the proof? Where are the dash cam videos that would have recorded all of this? So far the only proof the FBI has provided other than ?I said so? is the video surveillance of the two brothers walking by, which really isn?t any type of evidence. If the FBI had been tracking the oldest brother for years, telling his family they knew he was connected to extremist/terrorist groups, why did they ask the public for help identifying them? Why did they identify him incorrectly as Sunil Tripathi? Why would the Boston PD deny there were any drills going on after they had made announcements over the loud speaker they were just drills? And how, on Earth, could a 19 year old take thousands of elite officers on a wild goose chase around Watertown in a car or even on foot??"
There are even more questions actually. How about law enforcement claiming that the older boy was shot and killed during an exchange of gunfire? And why was this quickly changed to "he was run over" by his younger brother as he was fleeing? And as this video depicts, we have the aunt "allegedly" identifying the "naked man" as her older nephew. The same naked man being taken into custody (unharmed) and identified by this eyewitness. If not the older brother, then who is this naked man? And, if the report I provide at the end is accurate, why is the aunt so convinced that it was her nephew being apprehended? WHO is telling her not to speak to the media? Why isn't mainstream media doing more interviews with her - surely SHE would be one of the experts on the boys - wouldn't she? Don't these things make you stop and pause and wonder? Or have you conclusively made up your mind that the boys are guilty regardless of any other evidence presented?
And now onto your quotes directed at me:
It's quite apparent that you equate common sense with "buying into" what you're being told, conjecture, hearsay, assumptions, speculations, etc. Good for you. I don't. As I've said stated ad nauseam, I would much rather have concrete evidence. You know, kinda like science where the majority of research requires empirical data before coming to a conclusion.
Why must you resort to hyperbole? I don't recall saying that anywhere! What about a projectile leaving the vehicle as law enforcement are chasing them? How about them shooting? How about that proof? Surely that had to be recorded by someone/anyone? Yeah, we heard gunshots, but who the heck knows where they were coming from? Do you know for certain?
Aside from media reports, where is the actual PROOF of this? Surely someone/anyone somewhere must have recorded this. And if you were to uphold the accuracy of mainstream media reporting, then which one of their stories is true - the one where they shot and killed the older brother OR the one where the the younger brother ran him over OR him being stripped naked and taken into custody? Or was it all three simultaneously? Or different permutations of the three? All I saw was a dead body after the fact.
Once again, the conclusions that you're coming to are not what I intended. And why do you have to resort to hyperbole as well? Where the hell did I ever state that I wanted to see the carnage? That makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever! The scenario you've mentioned is NOT my logic. However, using Klebold and Harris as an example since you brought them up, I believe that footage of them handling the weapons and the subsequent aftermath would more than suffice. In this particular case, we have NONE OF THIS at all! And the footage that you speak of, the one that we're not privy to, well now THAT would be proof of them planting/dropping something, don't you think? WHY would it be so jarring? Can't they simply show them dropping the goddamn bags and END IT THERE? C'mon, it doesn't take a genius to splice and edit film. Just release that! Out of all the evidence that they have they release shots that require you to make assumptions and come to your own conclusions (the image is of a backpack which the younger brother dropped). WHY??? If they have even better visual proof, why not provide the public with this and end many of the debates? How does THIS make any sense?
This is a report and, of course, we are asked to believe it as completely true in addition to taking Gov. Patrick's word for it. Again, why not release parts of the video for public viewing? All we have to conclude from today is deductive reasoning. And with that, millions of others already share Patrick's viewpoint, but only from what we have been told and the images that we have seen - NOT from distinct and clear evidence, and certainly not enough for me to convict the two brothers - as authorities, mainstream media and countless millions have from the outset.
From the pictures that I have seen, it is not clear to me that it was HIS backpack that was placed near the 8-year old victim. What is clear to me is that he was in the vicinity as the victim at some point prior to the explosion. How the hell do I know how he reacted after the first explosion? Are there pictures/film showing him laughing/smiling/grinning/unfazed?
There is that other photograph showing him moving away from the blast with that weird expression on his face. But is that enough to be certain that it was him? What about the older gentleman in the bottom right hand corner in the blue sweatshirt who appears to be enjoying himself? Isn't that more damning evidence against him? What is he doing laughing? AND could it not be conceivable and completely impossible, given the angle of the photograph, that the younger brother's coat and the position of his arm is obscuring his backpack from view? Remember, from the videos provided by the FBI, he had his backpack slung ONLY over his right shoulder. Why did they choose to publish THIS particular still? Why not more than just one? JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'm not saying that he's still carrying his backpack in the picture, just that I cannot completely 100% ascertain that he's not.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of other questions that I've missed.
Anyway, here's the video that prompted this response. It would have been much better if the reporter was actually able to film the aunt. Regardless, is this report just as valid as those presented to us by mainstream media? Who knows!
What is most interesting to me is the attached CNN report beginning at 14:45. How valid is this report and this eyewitness account? Should it be summarily dismissed because it doesn't fall in line with the dominant narrative. And what exactly is the dominant narrative today?
I look forward to hearing/reading your well-articulated rebuttals.
Peace!
Just to clarify, I previously stated that I remain unconvinced about the two brothers' involvement or their complicity. This does NOT mean that I believe in their complete innocence either. I JUST DON'T KNOW. Call me crazy, but I require substantial proof instead of merely relying on what the authorities and the media are saying, images that I need to connote, and more or less hearsay and speculation - which, apparently, is more than enough for most.
Here are some questions posted by another. I'll just cut and paste and delete those that I don't agree with because I do share many of her concerns!
"The mainstream media gave the aunt hardly any time to express her opinion which is frustrating seeing how she would be a good source for information on who these kids really were. What I want to know, is if these kids caused all of this; planted the bombs and successfully detonated them, stole a car and drove around Watertown shooting at police officers and throwing bombs out the window, caused a lockdown on the entire city; Where is the proof? Where are the dash cam videos that would have recorded all of this? So far the only proof the FBI has provided other than ?I said so? is the video surveillance of the two brothers walking by, which really isn?t any type of evidence. If the FBI had been tracking the oldest brother for years, telling his family they knew he was connected to extremist/terrorist groups, why did they ask the public for help identifying them? Why did they identify him incorrectly as Sunil Tripathi? Why would the Boston PD deny there were any drills going on after they had made announcements over the loud speaker they were just drills? And how, on Earth, could a 19 year old take thousands of elite officers on a wild goose chase around Watertown in a car or even on foot??"
There are even more questions actually. How about law enforcement claiming that the older boy was shot and killed during an exchange of gunfire? And why was this quickly changed to "he was run over" by his younger brother as he was fleeing? And as this video depicts, we have the aunt "allegedly" identifying the "naked man" as her older nephew. The same naked man being taken into custody (unharmed) and identified by this eyewitness. If not the older brother, then who is this naked man? And, if the report I provide at the end is accurate, why is the aunt so convinced that it was her nephew being apprehended? WHO is telling her not to speak to the media? Why isn't mainstream media doing more interviews with her - surely SHE would be one of the experts on the boys - wouldn't she? Don't these things make you stop and pause and wonder? Or have you conclusively made up your mind that the boys are guilty regardless of any other evidence presented?
And now onto your quotes directed at me:
It's quite apparent that you equate common sense with "buying into" what you're being told, conjecture, hearsay, assumptions, speculations, etc. Good for you. I don't. As I've said stated ad nauseam, I would much rather have concrete evidence. You know, kinda like science where the majority of research requires empirical data before coming to a conclusion.
Why must you resort to hyperbole? I don't recall saying that anywhere! What about a projectile leaving the vehicle as law enforcement are chasing them? How about them shooting? How about that proof? Surely that had to be recorded by someone/anyone? Yeah, we heard gunshots, but who the heck knows where they were coming from? Do you know for certain?
Aside from media reports, where is the actual PROOF of this? Surely someone/anyone somewhere must have recorded this. And if you were to uphold the accuracy of mainstream media reporting, then which one of their stories is true - the one where they shot and killed the older brother OR the one where the the younger brother ran him over OR him being stripped naked and taken into custody? Or was it all three simultaneously? Or different permutations of the three? All I saw was a dead body after the fact.
Once again, the conclusions that you're coming to are not what I intended. And why do you have to resort to hyperbole as well? Where the hell did I ever state that I wanted to see the carnage? That makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever! The scenario you've mentioned is NOT my logic. However, using Klebold and Harris as an example since you brought them up, I believe that footage of them handling the weapons and the subsequent aftermath would more than suffice. In this particular case, we have NONE OF THIS at all! And the footage that you speak of, the one that we're not privy to, well now THAT would be proof of them planting/dropping something, don't you think? WHY would it be so jarring? Can't they simply show them dropping the goddamn bags and END IT THERE? C'mon, it doesn't take a genius to splice and edit film. Just release that! Out of all the evidence that they have they release shots that require you to make assumptions and come to your own conclusions (the image is of a backpack which the younger brother dropped). WHY??? If they have even better visual proof, why not provide the public with this and end many of the debates? How does THIS make any sense?
This is a report and, of course, we are asked to believe it as completely true in addition to taking Gov. Patrick's word for it. Again, why not release parts of the video for public viewing? All we have to conclude from today is deductive reasoning. And with that, millions of others already share Patrick's viewpoint, but only from what we have been told and the images that we have seen - NOT from distinct and clear evidence, and certainly not enough for me to convict the two brothers - as authorities, mainstream media and countless millions have from the outset.
From the pictures that I have seen, it is not clear to me that it was HIS backpack that was placed near the 8-year old victim. What is clear to me is that he was in the vicinity as the victim at some point prior to the explosion. How the hell do I know how he reacted after the first explosion? Are there pictures/film showing him laughing/smiling/grinning/unfazed?
There is that other photograph showing him moving away from the blast with that weird expression on his face. But is that enough to be certain that it was him? What about the older gentleman in the bottom right hand corner in the blue sweatshirt who appears to be enjoying himself? Isn't that more damning evidence against him? What is he doing laughing? AND could it not be conceivable and completely impossible, given the angle of the photograph, that the younger brother's coat and the position of his arm is obscuring his backpack from view? Remember, from the videos provided by the FBI, he had his backpack slung ONLY over his right shoulder. Why did they choose to publish THIS particular still? Why not more than just one? JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'm not saying that he's still carrying his backpack in the picture, just that I cannot completely 100% ascertain that he's not.
I'm sure that there are a plethora of other questions that I've missed.
Anyway, here's the video that prompted this response. It would have been much better if the reporter was actually able to film the aunt. Regardless, is this report just as valid as those presented to us by mainstream media? Who knows!
What is most interesting to me is the attached CNN report beginning at 14:45. How valid is this report and this eyewitness account? Should it be summarily dismissed because it doesn't fall in line with the dominant narrative. And what exactly is the dominant narrative today?
I look forward to hearing/reading your well-articulated rebuttals.
Peace!
