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He's a worldbeater, all right

January 23, 2005

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

I picked up the Village Voice for the first time in years this week. Couldn't resist the cover story: ''The Eve Of Destruction: George W. Bush's Four-Year Plan To Wreck The World.''

Oh, dear. It's so easy to raise expectations at the beginning of a new presidential term. But at least he's got a four-year plan. Over on the Democratic bench, worldwise they don't seem to have given things much thought. The differences were especially stark in the last seven days: In the first half of the week, Senate Dems badgered the incoming secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice -- culminating in the decision of West Virginia porkmeister Robert C. Byrd to delay the incoming thereof. Don't ask me why. Byrd, the former Klu Klux Klan Kleagle, is taking a stand over states' rights, or his rights over State, or some such. Whatever the reason, the sight of an old Klansman blocking a little colored girl from Birmingham from getting into her office contributed to the general retro vibe that hangs around the Democratic Party these days. Even "Eve Of Destruction," one notes, is a 40-year-old hippie dirge.

The Democrats' big phrase is "exit strategy." Time and again, their senators demanded that Rice tell 'em what the "exit strategy" for Iraq was. The correct answer is: There isn't one, and there shouldn't be one, and it's a dumb expression. The more polite response came in the president's inaugural address: ''The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands.'' Next week's election in Iraq will go not perfectly but well enough, and in time the number of U.S. troops needed there will be reduced, and in some more time they'll be reduced more dramatically, and one day there'll be none at all, just a small diplomatic presence that functions a bit like the old British ministers did in the Gulf emirates for centuries: They know everyone and everything, and they keep the Iraqi-American relationship running smoothly enough that Baghdad doesn't start looking for other foreign patrons. In other words: no exit.

If you want an example of "exit strategy" thinking, look no further than the southern "border." A century ago, American policy in Mexico was all exit and no strategy. That week's President-for-Life gets out of hand? Go in, whack him, exit, and let the locals figure out who gets to be the new bad guy. If the new guy gets out of hand, go back, whack him and exit again. The result of that stunted policy is that three-quarters of Mexico's population is now living in California and Arizona -- and, as fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community, they've got no exit strategy at all.

By contrast, the British went in to India without an "exit strategy," stayed for generations and midwifed the world's most populous democracy and a key U.S. ally in the years ahead. Which looks like the smarter approach now? ''Most Indians Say 'Thumbs Up' To Second Bush Term,'' reported the Christian Science Monitor this week, "and no, that doesn't mean something rude in Indian culture.''

The problem with "exit strategy" fetishization is that these days everywhere's Mexico -- literally, in the sense that four of the 9/11 killers obtained the picture ID they used to board their flights that morning through the support network for "undocumented" workers, and only a few days ago the suspected terrorists supposedly en route to Boston were said to have entered the country via the Mexican smuggling route. But everywhere's also Mexico in the more figurative sense -- if you've got a few hundred bucks and an ATM card you can come to America and blow it up. Everyone lives next door now. Sept. 11 demonstrated that the paradox of America -- the isolationist superpower -- was no longer tenable.

That was what Bush accomplished so superbly in his speech: the idealistic position -- spreading liberty -- is now also the realist one: If you don't spread it, in the end your own liberty will be jeopardized. "It is the policy of the United States," said the president, "to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." By the end of his second term? Well, not necessarily. But what matters is that the president has repudiated the failed "realism" that showers billions on a friendly dictator like Egypt's Mubarak and is then surprised when one of his subjects flies a passenger jet into the World Trade Center.

You'd think the Democratic Party would welcome this: They spent the days after Sept. 11 yakking endlessly about the need to address "root causes." But, as the pitiful displays in the Senate hearing made clear, they still don't comprehend the new world -- abroad or at home. The other day David von Drehle of the Washington Post did a monster tour of what he called "The Red Sea" -- Bush country -- and went to almost painful lengths to eschew the condescension the coastal media elite usually apply to their rare anthropological ventures into the hinterland. But in the middle of his dispatch was this quote from Joyce Smith of Coalgate, Okla.: "When Kerry said he was for abortion and one-sex marriages, I just couldn't see our country being led by someone like that."

Von Drehle added: ''Later, I double-checked what Kerry had said on those subjects. During his campaign, he opposed same-sex marriage and said that abortion was a private matter.''

If the point is that Red Staters are ignorant, double- or even triple-checking John Kerry isn't the best way to demonstrate it. Insofar as I understand it, Kerry's view on abortion was that, while he passionately believes life begins at conception, he would never let his deeply held personal beliefs interfere with his legislative program. On gay marriage, likewise. That's why gay groups backed Kerry and why von Drehle's media buddies weren't running editorials warning that a Kerry presidency would end "a woman's right to choose": They understood his deeply passionately personally deep personal passionate beliefs were just an artful but meaningless formulation designed to get him through election season. Message: If Kerry's elected, abortions will continue and gay marriage will happen and he'll be cool with both. Joyce Smith understood that. Von Drehle seems vaguely resentful that she wasn't dumb enough to fall for the spin cooked up by Kerry's hairsplitters and enthusiastically promoted by his media cheerleaders.

There's a big lesson for the Democrats there that goes way beyond the merits of abortion or gay marriage. On Sept. 11, the world came unspun: There's no shame in acknowledging, as Condi Rice did last week, that previous policy -- Republican and Democrat -- toward the Middle East is wrong. But there's something silly and immature about a party that, from Kerry to Boxer to Byrd, can't get beyond spin, grandstanding and debater's points: Joyce Smith sees through it, even if David von Drehle thinks it's ingenious. If the president's speech yoked idealism and realism, that doesn't leave much for dissenting Dems except their own peculiar combination of cynicism and delusion.
 

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I liked Oreilys analogy of Boxer---

Sen. Barbara Boxer & The War on Terror

Thursday, January 20, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly



Senator Barbara Boxer and the War on Terror. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

First of all, I'm not coming at this from an ideological point of view. There are some great liberal thinkers in America who recognize the grave danger worldwide terror is posing, but enough is enough with this Barbara Boxer (search), a far left partisan who has crossed the line into destructive politics.

Let's see. Faced with savage terrorists bent on killing Americans, Senator Boxer wants to modify the Patriot Act is against coerced interrogation of illegal combatants, against the war in Iraq, against funding the action in Afghanistan, and opposes just about every other anti- terror measure currently in the U.S. arsenal.

In fact, the only attack Boxer seems to favor is on the party in power.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D), CALIFORNIA: The fact is that the reconstituting were based on the yellow cake and the aluminum tubes, both of which proved to be false. And when I asked you about aluminum tubes...

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: And balancing equipment, and the accounts out of which these came, and his keeping nuclear scientists together. Let's have the entire picture.

BOXER: OK. And I think if you ask the average American, you know, was Saddam worth one life, one American life, they'd say no, he's the bottom of the barrel. And the fact is we've lost so many lives over it.

RICE: I probably, more than most, because I did have a role in the president's decision to go to war, mourn every day the people that are lost.

It was the total picture, senator, not just weapons of mass destruction that caused us to decide that post September 11, it was finally time to deal with the threat of Saddam Hussein.

BOXER: Well you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Now there's nothing wrong with grilling Condoleezza Rice about policy, but implying Dr. Rice is not sympathetic to the troops is way over the line.

"Talking Points" analyzed Boxer's record since 9/11. And the senator has been active. She authored the Airport Security Bill, the one that shakes down grandma before she gets on the plane. She proposed all American jetliners install anti-missile systems. That got nowhere. And she sponsored a bill demanding that Syria stop funding terrorism. Since that passed, Syria has stepped up its terrorist activities. What say you, Senator Boxer?

The truth is that Boxer has no solutions to the War on Terror. And please allow me to pose this question. Is there anyone watching me right now, anyone, who would want Barbara Boxer calling the shots in the war on terror? No sane person would, which automatically disqualifies Ms. Boxer from being taken seriously.

Again, it's imperative that Condoleezza Rice and all those who seek power in the USA be held accountable and closely questioned. We have to do this, but Boxer wanted to embarrass Rice. And Boxer brings nothing to the terror table herself.

So in the end, the senator wound up embarrassing herself.

And that's "The Memo."

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but what I like better behind the scenes--is while the Boxers and Peloski's are getting their press ala Dean personification--The conservatives are making the headways in that state and not just Arnold---Liberals are losing thier grip on this state---


California Clout Grows in GOP-Led Congress

Tuesday, January 11, 2005



WASHINGTON ? Democratic presidential candidates have carried California in every election since 1992, making the Golden State one of the nation's bluest states. But California is now home to the highest concentration of red state power in history.

California Republicans (search) have won the chairmanship of six powerful House committees. That means no state in the union has greater congressional clout.

"If you rank the top powerful committees in the House, a member from California chairs every one of them," said AEI (search) scholar Norm Ornstein. "There isn't a major issue that doesn't run through a member from California in the House right now."

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Thomas, from Bakersfield, is responsible for tax rates, international trade and health care. Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis of San Bernardino County is on top of the panel that is responsible for about $900 billion in domestic spending.

Military policy, weapons systems, soldiers' pay and training are all under Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, from the San Diego area. Chris Cox, from Orange County, is in charge of the Homeland Security Committee.

"There is no question that California is in a much more significant leadership position than has ever been the case," said Cox, who is also chairman of the House GOP Policy Committee.

The House Rules Committee, which sets the parameters for debate on the House floor, is run by David Dreier, who represents the St. Gabriel Valley, east of Los Angeles.

House policy on federal land use and natural parks is also under a Californian, Richard Pombo, whose district runs through rural areas of San Joaquin, Alameda, Contra Costa and Santa Clara counties.

"This is an unprecedented time in California history to have this much power concentrated in one state, and I am not sure even the governor's office understands what this means," said Democratic strategist Harvey Englander.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (search) will use this leverage to bring more federal dollars home. California receives $50 billion less in federal dollars than it sends to Washington, D.C., in taxes. And D.C. could help Schwarzenegger alleviate belt-tightening at home.

As for the state's business elite ? two words sum up the newfound power on Capitol Hill ? California dreaming.

"The senior executives in charge of government relations understand the new clout that California has, and they're developing strategies within their industries within business to help out California," Englander said.
 

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I will defend Dogs last post the way he would. How can you trust O'Reilly would say. He got caught up in that sex scandal. Didn't he come on the radio and say he didn't do it. Yes, he didn't do it, he paid off the accuser! LOL!!!!!! If he didn't do it why did he pay her off? You see how we get away from the real question?

Why can't we question Rice about anything we feel like. They led over a thousand Americans to their deaths at best on faulty information. Saddam was no threat to us and they have not been able to prove that he was. They should hang their heads in shame over the blood they have spilled and not give each other promotions and medals. It is a disgrace that they have put on the American people....Oh, that last part was me not Dogs.
 

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You liberals just don't get it. Clinton lied about a blow-job and we have a black dress and Kenneth Starrs 70 million dollar invoice to prove it. He lied about it like 6 or 7 years ago and really, that's much more important than what this current admin has done. Clinton came on a dress and our brave, fierce leaders came and destroyed Iraq. Hoo-ya! What would you rather see, really cool smart bombs blowing shit up, or Clinton testifying? That's why we like these guys and did you see that Saddam statue toppled? That was the best. These troops were not drafted, they took an oath to die, if necessary, if a sitting president decided he to wanted to settle old scores. Stop being such babies!
 

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Exactly - what the hell is wrong with the Left? They have no right to question the failures of the Security Advisor - soon to be Sec. of State, when they are not perfect themselves. How dare they raise any issues at all? I'm mean their own little hypocracies are WWWAAAYYY more important to America than our leaders who are actually making war decisions, failing to catch Osama, putting us in an eventual crippling deficit, etc etc.

The Republicans have the damn majoirty of everything. Why the hell are they still slumming it up with meaningless divisive drivel. No more excuses about Boxer (the vote was 16-2 / wtf are they bitching about??!!!) Move forward already! Or is it that the only thing they know how to do is attack Democrats? Sure better at that than taking down terrorists and fixing the budget.
 

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That's very true.

I'm also sick of all these pus*y libs bitching because we went in to a place where RPG's and IED's are virtually the only weapons, without proper armor for our vehicles. Hell, the common infantryman on the street doesn't have ANY armor, so why should our vehicles?
 

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N.S. anti-Bush protesters convict U.S. president of war crimes in mock trial

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November 30, 2004

HALIFAX (CP) - Nova Scotians got a chance to convict the most powerful man in the world in Halifax on Tuesday night.

Members of the Halifax Peace Coalition staged a mock trial of U.S. President George W. Bush in downtown Halifax to protest the president's visit to the city on Wednesday. "Since 2000, President Bush has violated the Nuremberg Convention, the Geneva Convention, international and domestic law and our own Canadian War Crimes Act," said organizer and would-be prosecutor Tamara Lorincz.

"So we're asking Prime Minister (Paul) Martin to recognize that an argument can be made that Bush is a war criminal and he is not welcome in Canada on that basis."

During the brief, humourous proceeding, Lorincz charged Bush under the Canadian Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

To animated reaction from a large crowd of observers who came from across Nova Scotia for Bush's visit, various mock witnesses testified against Bush, including representatives of "collateral damage" casualties in Iraq and of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib and Guatanamo Bay in Cuba.

"After 12 years of economic sanctions, Mr. George Bush darkens our doorsteps and soaks our streets with our children's blood," said Dina Al-Qaysi, an Iraqi immigrant who testified on behalf of the Iraqi people. "Has the world forgotten that we are people? Mr. Bush speaks of liberation but all he has brought our country is death and destruction."

Bush was also charged for contributing unreasonably to climate change, endangering the health of the world's population and - to the crowd's delight - helping cause violent storms that wreaked havoc on Atlantic Canada.

A man who strongly resembled Bush, who pleaded not guilty on all charges, testified in his own defence with classic flair.

"Well heck, sure we sent a few more hurricanes up around Nova Brunswick," he responded over boos and catcalls. "But weather patterns come and go, that's the way it's always been. But one thing I don't want to go is the God-given right of the American people to enjoy the lifestyle to which they are acclimatized. America is not going to endure the uncomfortableness of walking and bicycling on my watch."

After both defence and prosecution rested their cases, the crowd delivered a unanimous, roaring verdict of "guilty!" on all charges.

Despite chants of "String him up!" from the crowd, Bush was sentenced to be deported to the United States to face trial for his crimes there.

Lorincz said protests during Bush's two-hour visit to Halifax, apparently to thank the city for its hospitality to travellers delayed by the September 2001 terrorist attacks, will be peaceful but energetic.

"It's three years too late so thanks, but no thanks," said Lorincz. "We reject the United States' belligerent and unilateral agenda and we're so concerned that we're willing to come out on the streets and call for peace and justice."

Meanwhile, in Vancouver, about 500 protesters cheered as they pulled down a statue of Bush on Tuesday.

The foam statue resembled one of Saddam that was toppled in Baghdad during the Iraq war.

Protesters chanted "Bush Go Home" and waved placards, calling the president a war criminal.

An organizer told the crowd that welcoming Bush makes no sense just because the U.S. is Canada's most important trading partner.

"But under that kind of logic, we could accept that they invited Hitler for dinner if they thought it would be good for business," shouted Megan Schlase.

Gail Davidson, of Lawyers Against the War, took the protest one step further, filing criminal charges in Vancouver against Bush for allegedly aiding in torture in Iraq.

British Columbia's attorney general would have to approve the charges
 

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Chan she could have open her mouth to the president she has his ear anytime. If they did not want to listen to Clark or the CIA. She should have taken the lead. Why reward her for nothing.
 

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Stevie Who said trust what Oreillys says?? As a conservative I listen and then try to conjure an opinion. If you listen to Oreilly he will almost tell you everday--We report --you decide :)

Matt--for the unteenth time-
-SLICK WAS BISBARRED and CONVICTED OF PERGURY FOR BEING A BLANTANT "PROVEN LIAR"--not a blowjob.

I will give him this much-he doesn't cull anyone whether it be the people-his family-judges-
--- I guess based on liberal logic you would give him an A for being an equal opportunist :)
 

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Dogs you think you are a conservative? You mean like Pat Buchanan? I hate to break this to ya but you are more of a neocon.
As for that adultrist O'Reilly he mostly seems to have his mind made up before he reports just like everyone at Faux News.
 

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When Fox says "We report, you decide", it's a ridiculous joke. They only report in a way that leaves you with one conclusion.

O'reilly bounces between saying he's a news show and an opinionated talk show. Sometimes he says it's his show and your gonna get his opinions. Other times he says he just wants to lay it all out there and let you decide. Make no mistake - it's all about his opinion and he will only report on the things that will get you to agree with him.

Fox spends so much time gathering obscure ACLU stories and the like to get everyone thinking there's a big organized liberal conspiracy attempting to take over. Where are the stories about corporate crimes, job outsourcing, budget deficits, even deaths in Iraq for that matter!

Fox is an embarrasment to journalism. Any neutral observer should be able to see this.
 

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Nope Stevie Pat Buchanan is not one of my favs--neither Baker,norany other TV evangelist--thought I made that clear before.

Smurph Wished you saw his interview with head of a author of book on progessive party last night. The guy started on high horse and end mumbling to himself--No wonder they are scared shitless to come on his show. Its always the same they are big on theory but short on common sense.

and on ACLU--you might want to drop down to that that thread as I am adding the interview with ACLU board member I promised ;)
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Matt--for the unteenth time-
-SLICK WAS BISBARRED and CONVICTED OF PERGURY FOR BEING A BLANTANT "PROVEN LIAR"--not a blowjob.

That's what I said. He lied about a blowjob. When it came to that blowjob, he lied. He lied under oath about that blowjob and perjured himself reagrding his testimony regarding that blowjob. He waggled his fingered and lied to the american public about that blowjob.

Now, let's talk about this blowjob of an occupation.
 

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Matt Its just that liberals amuse me on their anologys--for instance
Stevie--
"I will defend Dogs last post the way he would. How can you trust O'Reilly would say. He got caught up in that sex scandal. Didn't he come on the radio and say he didn't do it. Yes, he didn't do it, he paid off the accuser! LOL!!!!!! If he didn't do it why did he pay her off? You see how we get away from the real question?"

1st "he" did not pay off accuser the network did.Be that as it may regarding his quilt we'll probabably never know but I will stick by what I said earlier,where there is smoke there is usually fire.

But from the left we have Stevie condemning a journalist for "alleged" TELEPHONE sex scandal--yet he has no prob with a sitting pres "alleged" by no less than 4 women of rape-groping-sexual abuse-exposure ect and convicted of sexual acts with intern including shoving cigars up her.

While the mind set of liberals do not amaze me much any more I do find the complete absense of logic or common sense in their thought train quite bizzare.
 

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I have plenty of problems with Clinton.But my problems with Clinton have nothing to do with the lies and killing of Bush. And everytime someone questions one of the Bush Crime Family some neocon pops up with a attack on Clinton. That is done because they can't Bush so they go on the attack. Again, what was it that Boxer asked Rice that you don't think she had a right to?
 

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Today's Right is far more concerned with attacking those who pose the questions than they are at actually answering or addressing the questions themselves. Maybe that's just human nature, I'm not sure. It's very frustrating for those of us who want to see answers and progress.
 

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Holly cow lets see Clintons been out of office 4 years. O'Rilley tonight added a new one. Said he was a independent. He's the strangest independent ever. Rice a true lie-er or just a half truth-er. In any case she failed us all.
 

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O'Reilly also showed a very odd poll result in his talking points. He claimed that only 17% of Kerry voters wanted to fight terrorism with force. This is clearly a twisted version of the truth. I bet the question had something to do with not invading countries that never attacked us, and then interpreting that as not wanting to fight terror. Typical Fox manipulation to make Democrats look bad.

About once a week O'Reilly says something kind of critical of the Republicans - I guess that qualifies him as Independent, even though he rattles on endlessly bashing anything even slightly left of center.
 

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Glad to see you watching Oreilly Smurph--even if you disagree-its interesting. Did you see deal on Micheal Moore last night?

and on---
"Today's Right is far more concerned with attacking those who pose the questions than they are at actually answering or addressing the questions themselves"

I'm not against those that ask questions--but have hard time rationalizing those that can't seperate fact from opinion.

Case in point--You have Boxer-- Kennedy and the left whining about these nominations ect and ranting about this administration

Yet take a look at the facts the last time they were majority and doing the choosing--

"The last Democrat to head the White House is Bill Clinton. In all, according to the LexisNexis database, more than 30 members of his administration were indicted for various illegal activities. Before he finished his second term in office, he had 10 of his original cabinet members resign and several of their replacements also resign. Clinton had four commerce secretaries and three secretaries of treasury, defense, and energy. Only his attorney general and secretaries of the interior, education, and health and human services remained for all eight years of Clinton?s presidency."

and I don't think we've had any "suicides/accidental deaths" yet ;)

and a little more on Boxer---

BOXER LAUNCHES FUNDRAISING DRIVE
Tue Jan 25 2005 22:03:11 ET

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) took her opposition to Condoleezza Rice to a new front: She has used it in a fundraising pitch to Democratic donors.

The pitch went out Tuesday evening. On behalf of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Boxer referred to Rice?s ?misleading statements leading up to the war in Iraq and beyond,? and implored donors to ?put the brakes on four more years of misdirection in Iraq and reckless policies at home? by helping elect more Democrats next year.

ROLL CALL details the money drive: ?My Democratic colleagues and I will hold the Bush administration accountable for its decisions,? Boxer wrote. ?But we will need your help to hold them accountable in the ultimate public hearing: the next midterm elections in 2006...

?So while I raise my voice on the Senate floor, I hope you will join us on the campaign trail and send the loudest message of all ? one that the Republicans will not be able to ignore ? unseating them in the midterm elections and sending more Democrats to the Senate.?
 

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Yes both sides take advantage of all of us. Term limits might end up saving us someday. The guy on M Moore by the way told only half the story seen on other networks. Of course just the part O'Reilly wished to here. Let remember O' Reilly is about selling coffee mugs. I see last night he called someone a pot smoker. But when he came back from commercial break he quickly said he was joking. Just what cost him money to keep that ladies mouth
shut. He seems not to learn.
 
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