Richard Clarke

[Turfgrass]

I went to school with him so it must be true...

Nice Source you have there Eddie.

He was arrogant, made no effort to disguise his contempt for those who disagreed with him, and blatantly maneuvered around all obstacles to make sure his views got through.

Well I guess if someone is to blame then it must be GW? because at least he wasn?t precluded to act against enemies of the state.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Blitz:

That is absolutly not what I'm saying. You boys continue to throw up links to right wing talking heads. This guy is a right wing reporter. Like I said, why don't you just quote Limbaugh.

On the other hand, Clarke was the head of counterintelligence for both republican and democratic administrations. By analogy, if Dick Cheney says something and Dan Rather contradicts such statments, who you gonna believe, the left wing reporter or the source of the information.

I would tend to give credence to Cheney (it hurts to even write that). Thats all I'm saying is critically look at what Clarke is saying but, do not provide a link to some right wing spin doctor and imply that it is an unbiased criticism of Clarke.

Eddie

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Almost as good as Lakely huh Turf.

Eddie

 

[Turfgrass]

Yeah you got me...Fact vs. Opinion

I guess opinion wins everytime, right Mr. Lawyer?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

You are comical:

Lakely = reporter = Fact
Clark = counterintelligence czar = Opinion

???????????????????????

Amazing. God I hope you are laughing as you type that. No one can be that ignorant.

Well, ya never know. Your boy is a criminal and a liar.

Eddie

 

[Turfgrass]

FACT: The final policy paper on national security that President Clinton submitted to Congress ? 45,000 words long ? makes no mention of al Qaeda and refers to Osama bin Laden by name just four times.

Opinion: 1)First, his basic accusations are consistent with tales told by other officials

2) the White House's attempts at rebuttal have been extremely weak and contradictory.

3) Third, I went to graduate school with Clarke in the late 1970s, at MIT's political science department, and called him as an occasional source in the mid-'80s when he was in the State Department and I was a newspaper reporter. There were good things and dubious things about Clarke, traits that inspired both admiration and leeriness. The former: He was very smart, a highly skilled (and utterly nonpartisan) analyst, and he knew how to get things done in a calcified bureaucracy. The latter: He was arrogant, made no effort to disguise his contempt for those who disagreed with him, and blatantly maneuvered around all obstacles to make sure his views got through.

 

[djv]

I believe Bush at least 50%. But Cheney anyone nuts if you believe anything he said or may say. That guy is from a different world.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Look.

I don't know what the report says. If it mentions Al Quida 4x so what. Does that not mean the report references a terrorist attack is likely against the USA.

FACT: Richard Clarke, BUSH'S counterterrorism czar, lays responsibility at the feet of your commander in chief.

FACT: You allude to a report that no one at this forum has the time or inclination to read to prove a point that may or may not be contained within the report.

OPINION: When you don't have the facts to counter Clarks' allegations you blow smoke. You are obviously setting up a smoke screen to protect your boy.

FACT: Once again, Richard Clarke, BUSH'S counterterrorism czar, lays responsibility at the feet of your commander in chief.

You attempt to turn innuendo into facts if it supports your boy. You will attempt to re-elect this criminal no matter what he does in order to purportedly save yourself some tax dollars. If you are Catholic, you better go to confession.

Eddie

 

[Turfgrass]

I confess Eddie... you are above reproach.

I just hope that in the future no one can use the excuse, ?I wanted to stop all of this a long time ago except I was precluded from doing so.?

As long as you?re cool with it I guess it shouldn't bother anybody else.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thank you, Turfgrass, I am glad you were finally able to see the light. I am against terrorism as much as you. I think those supporting the 9-11 perpetrators should be tried, hung, then hung again (even though I am not a capital punishment guy).

I still have trouble with the rights insistence of a connection between Iraq and terrorism. I mean we could say that there is a connection between the USA and terrorism (Tim McVeigh). We tend to generalize too much.

By the way, I know you were being sarcastic about moi being beyond reproach. But in the spirit of our Jewish friends high holyday of Yom Kippur, I wish you well. Hell, I just had 5 Coronas and I'm wishing everyone well.

Eddie

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Just got back from Little Eddie's 8th grade football game against Deer Park. We won 44 - 0. Although Little Eddie didn't catch a pass as our team was doing a lot of running, I had a wonderful time as I had the over.

Stopped at the tavern while the boys were showering up at the junior high and had a few pops with several of the other parents. Beefed with them about politics as I live in Conservative Central. As I've done many times on this board, used my wit, charm and intelligence to pummel their reasoning much the same way as my boys team pummelled Deer Park.

Well, begin the weekend a little early tomorrow as I have a 2:09 at Crooked Tree. Hope the weather holds. I hope all of you have a joyous and financially fullfilling weekend. May all of your bets be good ones. God bless the USA.

Eddie whose had too many Coronas.



Eddie

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Eddie,

Read Clarke's book as it is very informative, but he does state that 9/11 probably would have happened even if the administration focused their efforts on Al Qaeda from the inception of their taking office. If not on 9/11, then at some other time. We were going to get hit whether or not the President spent 40% of his time in office on vacation, ignored Hart-Rudman, or spent his entire time selling his tax breaks for the poor.

And neo-cons, he blames Clinton, too. You would love it!!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks BBC:

As you can see, our right wing friends attempt to discredit Clarke by using the ploy adopted by Limbaugh, Fox, Lakely, etc. that there is little mention of Bin Laden in Clintons memo. How does Clarke handle that. Please respond before the neo-cons post another link to their propoganda cites.

You see Turf, some of us would actually like to know the truth.

Eddie (with a headache)

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Just another little ditty about Bush and how he prepared for terrorists while on the golf course:

The Bush Administration moved counterrorism "to the back burner." President Bush himself admitted that, when it came to the threat of terrorism, before September 11, 2001, "I didn't feel a sense of urgency." (Bush at War, Bob Woodward, 2002). Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith told the independent September 11 commission that Secretary Rumsfeld "asked him to focus his attention on working with the Russians on agreements to dissolve the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty and preparing a new nuclear arms control pact," not on terrorism. (9-11 Commission Staff, Statement No. 6). The 9-11 commission staff statement also notes that lower-level officials in the Department of Defense's Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict (SOLIC) operation "told us that they thought the new team was focused on other issues and was not especially interested in their counterterrorism agenda."

Hmmmmm. Other issues? Could that be Iraq. Then he looks for a link up to justify the invasion? Hmmmmmm.

Eddie

 

[hammer1]

Fer your information..........
Bill Clintons # 1 priority was going after Bin Laden
3 times he proposed ""Boots on the Ground" insertions into Afghanistan. Twice the Pentagon said there wer no lines of supply and such an operation had a high risk of failure.
The one time the operation was set up and ready to go with our military ready...George Tenet convinced Clinton to cancel the operation because The Royal Family from the UNITED ARAB EMERITES WAS HUNTING IN THE AREA.............Bombing the area before the insertionm would have probably killed them and tye UAR are one of our few allies in the Gulf. This from the 9-11
4 day hearings..Approved by William Cohen then Sec of Defense and coroborated by George Tenet in testimony during the hearings as to why the mission was cancelled. What Richard Clark
testified during theses same hearings was that from a state ofhigh alert about Al Quada and Bin Laden after the handover to the Bush administration the whole puersuit of Bin Lasden and the Al Quada threat went into the deep freeze and a justification for an invasiobn of Iraq was all that was ever discussed. There's also the famous Bush sticking his finger in Clarks face demnading Clark find a connection between Iraq and 9-11 after the attack even after Clark told him there was zero intelligence linking Iraq to the attack. 3 Republican aides confirmed the finger pointing incident between Bush and Clark

 

[Eddie Haskell]

You see, Turfgrass, you can count all the words you want and you can call opinion fact and fact opinion, but the reality, let me repeat that, reality is that Bush had other priorities than terrorism, to wit, Iraq.

I would concur with Robert, that 9-11 may still not have been prevented, but we will never know will we. Its about time some of right wingers acknowledge that Bush aint the brightest bulb in the shed and that his omissions may have had something to do wiith 9-11.

Eddie

 

[Turfgrass]

So Bill couldn't get it done, but GW could...

I see the difference.

"Bill Clintons # 1 priority was going after Bin Laden" ?? Why didn't he take OBL when he was offered on a silver platter?

 

[Private Petey]

EDDIE HASKELL, YOU CAN'T BE THIS DUMB? CAN YOU!!!!!? ONLY A MOPE LIKE YOURSELF(AND MAYBE YYZ) WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THIS BOOK IS BEING RELEASED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. CLOWN!!!!

Double P

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Peter:

Thank you for the kind words. The hell with this political crap, you been bangin anyone of note lately? I dumped Helen cause her sister wanted to go out with me. Then I dumped Mel and have been going out with Kosar. Yeah, I bet you didn't know but he is a broad.

Back to your point, of course its political. Same way with the Bushman when they happen to find Bin Laden next week.

Ed

 

[Private Petey]

I've been banging the usual amount of dollies in Twin Falls. In fact, we've all had pretty good luck lately up there. I was hurt to see that the one softball dollie got married but every now and then if it's been a while I still rub one off while thinking of her. Luckily it doesn't come to that very often.

Bush in 2004!

PP