Right to work/income?
- Thread starter Duff Miver
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Duff, be a little gentler with some of these assholes. All of the sudden they seem to be worried about where my union dues go. They have no idea where any of it goes but a fraction of it. If two cents go to a democrat the far righties (with and agenda of course)can spin it where a complete idiot will run with it, while not knowing any better. It kind of reminds me of plant parenthood. 97 percent of their services go to help woman across the country but lets let the far righties fool people and act like it all goes to abortion. :0074 Same shit here but what can u do. It is tough to debate with guys that fall for every talking point that comes out of an greedy asshole with an agenda. It is simply amazing how a rich asshole can get a middle class clueless asshole fighting against other middle class citizens. These same assholes have no problem with a hedge fund shitbag making 4 billion a year but would much rather try to make it harder on citizens who just want a decent pay.
Yes, Duff. Every other country in the world, if THEY owned Alaska, would be drilling in the North Slope.
Other countries makes every effort to extract and utilize their natural resources.
As for environmental regs....who gives a rat's ass.
Do you think the miniscule amount that the new regulations will reduce pollution in the US will matter when China, Brazil, India, Korea, Russia et al are not held to the same environmental standards and are belching out exponentially more pollution than the US, Japan and other 'developed' nations can ever hope to mitigate with their reductions?
You cry about lost jobs - barrier to entry in those countries is so much cheaper in part, because of lax environmental standards. You want jobs back here? Get rid of NAFTA and free trade agreements and hold China and India to the Kyoto protocol. Make their business conform to international environmental and labor requlations.
As for the topic, I wonder if there is a discrepancy in total # of jobs in those states?
I have no idea - just a question I will get flamed for because it looks to shed some light on some totally unrefined data that Muff posted.
Other countries makes every effort to extract and utilize their natural resources.
As for environmental regs....who gives a rat's ass.
Do you think the miniscule amount that the new regulations will reduce pollution in the US will matter when China, Brazil, India, Korea, Russia et al are not held to the same environmental standards and are belching out exponentially more pollution than the US, Japan and other 'developed' nations can ever hope to mitigate with their reductions?
You cry about lost jobs - barrier to entry in those countries is so much cheaper in part, because of lax environmental standards. You want jobs back here? Get rid of NAFTA and free trade agreements and hold China and India to the Kyoto protocol. Make their business conform to international environmental and labor requlations.
As for the topic, I wonder if there is a discrepancy in total # of jobs in those states?
I have no idea - just a question I will get flamed for because it looks to shed some light on some totally unrefined data that Muff posted.
ssd - we have been drilling on the Alaska North Slope since 1977. Peak production was in 1988, and has been declining since as the field becomes depleted. As present, production is 650,000 barrels per day which is about 3% of our daily consumption of 20,000,000 barrels.
There may be a bit more oil to find off-shore, but there is no conceivable way we can produce what we consume.
Our proven reserves are about 21 billion barrels, and our annual consumption is 7 billion barrels. If we could produce it all right now, we would be bone dry in three years and 100% dependent on foreign oil thereafter..
Therefore to reduce our dependence on imported oil, our only answers are other forms of energy and reduced consumption.
You can beat your DRILL BABY DRILL drum until the cows come home, but we will be dependent on imported oil longer than you will live and it will only get worse.
It's hard to have a discussion with you as long as you choose to remain willfully ignorant.
However I do agree that we should void NAFTA, CAFTA and all other free trade agreements. You'll have to pay a buck more for a USA made T-shirt at Wal*Mart, but an American will have a job.
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This, coming from a guy that pukes numbers on the screen and then gets pissed off because we ask what they actually represent and can't follow the magical line of "logic" to your conclusion.
marine: those numbers are real, and readily available to you anytime you care to look. They're facts. I didn't make them up.
Here, knock yourself out: www.google.com
If you're too lazy, or stupid, or disinterested to learn and educate yourself, then you can pound sand up your ass.
You may want to be spoon-fed, but this isn't the military, and I'm not your Sargent, Mama, teacher or babysitter.
Get it?
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I'm pretty sure you failed to read anything that ssd and I asked and instead took it as a chance to spout the same ole mantra of "bad republican". We asked what the numbers were - since they sure as heck weren't labeled. And you blew up.
And as I said earlier, I tried to look the numbers up myself and found variations of them.
so again, I find myself LOLing at you yelling at people for being ignorant and incapable of having a discussion with you.
And as I said earlier, I tried to look the numbers up myself and found variations of them.
so again, I find myself LOLing at you yelling at people for being ignorant and incapable of having a discussion with you.
I am LMAO at you.
And you'll probably never understand why.
Go back to school. Start in the 3rd grade.
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Hmmmm....
Sept 13, 2011...
The major new exploration, however, will take place offshore, with Shell seeking to send two drilling rigs to the region to drill two wells in the Beaufort Sea and three in the Chukchi Sea, as I mentioned last time. (And I should perhaps have mentioned that of the $4 billion investment Shell is making some $2.1 billion went to the Federal Government in the lease sale). The total oil resource available in these seas has been estimated to be as much as 25 billion harrels of oil (bb) and 127 Tcf of natural gas. Alaska will be selling leases to an area of some 14.7 million acres this fall, though the sale has just been postponed until December.
Plenty of untapped reserves in US.
And, as I have already mentioned countless times in other threads, we need a comprehensive energy plan to move the US ahead. I am ALL for it.
But, as you say it, I am a willfully ignorant neo-con nitwit.
Perhaps you should enter these conversations with a clear mind, entertaining the possibility of learning something rather than thinking you know it all and having to expose us beings of lesser intellect to your truths.
Just my 2 cents.
carry on
Sept 13, 2011...
The major new exploration, however, will take place offshore, with Shell seeking to send two drilling rigs to the region to drill two wells in the Beaufort Sea and three in the Chukchi Sea, as I mentioned last time. (And I should perhaps have mentioned that of the $4 billion investment Shell is making some $2.1 billion went to the Federal Government in the lease sale). The total oil resource available in these seas has been estimated to be as much as 25 billion harrels of oil (bb) and 127 Tcf of natural gas. Alaska will be selling leases to an area of some 14.7 million acres this fall, though the sale has just been postponed until December.
Plenty of untapped reserves in US.
And, as I have already mentioned countless times in other threads, we need a comprehensive energy plan to move the US ahead. I am ALL for it.
But, as you say it, I am a willfully ignorant neo-con nitwit.
Perhaps you should enter these conversations with a clear mind, entertaining the possibility of learning something rather than thinking you know it all and having to expose us beings of lesser intellect to your truths.
Just my 2 cents.
carry on
Okay, let me play duh marine:
Estimated by whom?
How much of it is proven?
Of the "estimated" amount. how much is recoverable?
At what price is it recoverable?
At what rate is it recoverable?
It every drop claimed were recoverable, how long would it last?
Do you know what pie-in-the-sky means?
What does this have to do with your "North Slope" rant?
Nevermind, I found the answers:
If exploration is successful, it will take 10-12 years before Shell can begin producing oil. During that time, the company would have to build a new ice-resistant drilling facility, install 100 miles of subsea pipeline from the pumping rig to the tiny community of Wainwright and construct a 500-mile pipeline from the shoreline to the beginning of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline in Prudhoe Bay.
"We have already started designing and testing ice-strengthened platforms that could work in that Arctic," Smith said. "They're so expensive, without the possibility of directional drilling from platforms, we would need more of them. It would make the project like this not feasible."
Together, the Beaufort and Chukchi seas could hold as much as 27 billion barrels of oil and 132 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to U.S. Geological Survey estimates. That is a lot compared with the 17 billion barrels of oil that has flowed out of Alaska's Prudhoe Bay oil fields over the past 30 years. Much of these offshore oil resources are thought to be in the remote Chukchi region...
Shell is not a newcomer to Alaska's icy waters. During the late 1980s and early '90s, the company sunk 15 exploratory wells in the federal waters of Beaufort Sea and four in the Chukchi Sea. Ultimately, the company abandoned its development, capped the wells and relinquished the leases.
At the same time, global warming* has opened up the Arctic waters in the summer, expanding the time that drillers and international shippers can operate without the risk of ice collisions.
*Oh NO!! Shell is planning on that imaginary hoax, global warming?
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