The latest Hollywood foreign policy expert to launch an attack on George Bush would be Robin Williams. Williams says Bush is a dictator. Williams supported gore in 2000.http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/dailydish/
Robin Williams Blasts Bush
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Too bad. Used to really like his stuff. Won't pay to see it anymore. In the article, it sounds like he's trying to do stand-up about this whole thing and he didn't do a very good job at it. I hope at some point, these a-holes would learn to keep their mouths shut. Just because they are in the spotlight, doesn't mean they have to spout off
Jay Leno layed one on Bush to. Went like this.
President Bush said today we will stay in Iraq, no matter how long it takes. Same thing Bush said when he was in grade school.
President Bush said today we will stay in Iraq, no matter how long it takes. Same thing Bush said when he was in grade school.
dawgball it was only one I thought funny that is why I remember it. He had afew more shots he took to that were alittle more slanted. But yes I agree he will be careful. But hey NBC is as liberal as you get.
here we go again...
here we go again...
condemning someone for exercising their first amendment rights...YES, EVEN IN WARTIME WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING CONSTITUTION!
if you boycotted everyone who thought dubya was clueless, you'd have to exclude half the population of the country.
also, gotta love the "liberal media" excuse. anytime a news outlet reports something contrary to your views, they must be liberal/communists trying to take down the US...lol NBC is owned by General Electric, they arent exactly known as a bastion of liberal thoughts.
im beginning to think anyone who is educated and has an opinion contrary to the war-hawks out there must be anti-american....lmao
no one is less american just because they dont trust our suspect leadership.
here we go again...
condemning someone for exercising their first amendment rights...YES, EVEN IN WARTIME WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING CONSTITUTION!
if you boycotted everyone who thought dubya was clueless, you'd have to exclude half the population of the country.
also, gotta love the "liberal media" excuse. anytime a news outlet reports something contrary to your views, they must be liberal/communists trying to take down the US...lol NBC is owned by General Electric, they arent exactly known as a bastion of liberal thoughts.
im beginning to think anyone who is educated and has an opinion contrary to the war-hawks out there must be anti-american....lmao
no one is less american just because they dont trust our suspect leadership.
Re: here we go again...
Re: here we go again...
True but here is what bothers me (please tell me if it?s just me), instead of posing an opinion contrary (and having the stones to debate it) to the policies of the current administration these utopians degrade to character assassination instead of debating the facts. For example the main one I hear is the President is stupid, dumb or whatever, isn?t a MBA pretty hard to get? In the words of Jack Webb?..just the facts.:shrug: :shrug:
Re: here we go again...
FlashInVegas said:
True but here is what bothers me (please tell me if it?s just me), instead of posing an opinion contrary (and having the stones to debate it) to the policies of the current administration these utopians degrade to character assassination instead of debating the facts. For example the main one I hear is the President is stupid, dumb or whatever, isn?t a MBA pretty hard to get? In the words of Jack Webb?..just the facts.:shrug: :shrug:
I actually find Robin Williams comments quite funny and somewhat truthful. While I most definitly wish no harm comes to any of our troops in the Iraq invasion, I feel that Bush is one of the worst presidents in my time which stretches back to the LBJ days. I am neither a Republican or Democrat and I always vote for whom I feel can do the best job as leader of the country, at the mid point of Bush's term I am embarassed that I voted for him he has done very little of what he proposed when he ran for the office. This Iraq war is just a smoke screen for acquiring the oil that lays in that country and will eventually lead to a greater hatred of America throughout the world. This mantra of riding Saddam of weapons of mass destruction is a fallacy that is just another smokescreen put up by the Bush administration in order to benefit the oil barons in the US, countries like North Korea are a much more serious threat than Iraq will ever be. Bush has done nothing for the average citizen of the US since he has taken over the office, these so called tax cuts are completely slanted to benefit individuals that are in the top 10% in income, yet do scarcely little for Joe Smith whom is working at the Steel mill trying to support his wife and kids. In my 30 years of working I have never seen the economy in such bad shape and I also have never seen a administration revoke so many individual rights as this administration has done. Why is it that when anyone questions the logic behind any move this president makes they are called out for being unamerican? Is this what the constitution was created for? As I said I voted for Bush in 2000 but he will not get my vote in 2004, I could care if the Dems run Bonzo the Chimp, he will get my vote.
Patron said:
Well guess who pays 90% of the taxes for our country? The top 10%, keep in mind if you make 55K a year you are in the top 10%.
Patron - where do you get your data to support that 150K figure? I am looking for the data to support my statement. Not that this a challenge or anything, I am just curious on your sources. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it
something to think about
something to think about
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6220135%5E25778,00.html
Marines search for fallen comrade
From correspondents in southern Iraq
April 01, 2003
US Marines moved into the southern Iraqi town of Shatrah today to recover the body of a dead comrade which had been hanged in the town square, officers said.
Hundreds of troops were dispatched on the operation after intelligence reports indicated the body of a dead American, who was killed in a firefight last week, had been paraded through the streets and hanged in public.
"We would like to retrieve the body of the marine but it is not our sole purpose," said Lieutenant-Colonel Pete Owen, of the First Marine Expeditionary Force.
Military sources said another part of the operation was to arm local militias to fight against members of the ruling Baath party loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
Shatrah is some 40km north of Nasiriyah, where Iraqi forces have been harassing US supply lines and putting up tough resistance for more than a week.
The Associated Press
something to think about
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6220135%5E25778,00.html
Marines search for fallen comrade
From correspondents in southern Iraq
April 01, 2003
US Marines moved into the southern Iraqi town of Shatrah today to recover the body of a dead comrade which had been hanged in the town square, officers said.
Hundreds of troops were dispatched on the operation after intelligence reports indicated the body of a dead American, who was killed in a firefight last week, had been paraded through the streets and hanged in public.
"We would like to retrieve the body of the marine but it is not our sole purpose," said Lieutenant-Colonel Pete Owen, of the First Marine Expeditionary Force.
Military sources said another part of the operation was to arm local militias to fight against members of the ruling Baath party loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
Shatrah is some 40km north of Nasiriyah, where Iraqi forces have been harassing US supply lines and putting up tough resistance for more than a week.
The Associated Press
Problem with extreme-liberals is that only they can say that some one is wrong or slanted or "bad". That's democracy, freedom of speech, etc. That's why they believe and take to heart statements by convicts, drug addicts and other shady characters.
But if someone disagrees with a statement that they are in favor of, immediately you will hear the "democracy" speech, bias, freedom, rights, rights, rights, etc.
Dude (Flash), it's gotta work both ways or none at all. You can't jump on the Constitution crap as soon as someone disagrees with you. It's an opinion, period. You take it for its face value, and see who the source of information is. Such as most artists and the rest who protest from a pedestal becasue it's fashionable. Look at where the opinion is coming from and who is making the statement. Then evaluate the truth of it and possible personal interests involved.
No way I'm believing all I'm hearing on TV or read in the paper, not from our (U.S.) media or anyone else. We are all biased and always will be. Only liberals think that everything should be perfect and to the T. Unfortunately that's not the way it is. This is the world, man, the real life with real people.
You have a right to be against the war, but others have the right to view you as wierd, funky and perhaps a pu$$y; the same way you view them as thugs, stupid hicks or conspirators.
But if someone disagrees with a statement that they are in favor of, immediately you will hear the "democracy" speech, bias, freedom, rights, rights, rights, etc.
Dude (Flash), it's gotta work both ways or none at all. You can't jump on the Constitution crap as soon as someone disagrees with you. It's an opinion, period. You take it for its face value, and see who the source of information is. Such as most artists and the rest who protest from a pedestal becasue it's fashionable. Look at where the opinion is coming from and who is making the statement. Then evaluate the truth of it and possible personal interests involved.
No way I'm believing all I'm hearing on TV or read in the paper, not from our (U.S.) media or anyone else. We are all biased and always will be. Only liberals think that everything should be perfect and to the T. Unfortunately that's not the way it is. This is the world, man, the real life with real people.
You have a right to be against the war, but others have the right to view you as wierd, funky and perhaps a pu$$y; the same way you view them as thugs, stupid hicks or conspirators.
That tax cut mention above dont get me all worked up again over that. So because Im over 55K Im in top 10%. Then I got screwd again on that tax cut. And if I understand this new one coming wont to anymore for me then the last one. But The numbers look much better for those at 100K to 200k and real nice above that. I have no idea what %% who is. I do know at my earnings I am considered in the top 15/16%. Not top 10%.
Hey Patron. Say I'm standing next to you and Ryson. I give Ryson $100 and I give you $40, for no reason. Do you not want it? Since you don't get the same amount, screw it. In fact, you'd probably want to instead give me $40.
Why shouldn't the people paying the most receive the most in a tax break?
The rich should not be punished for being rich. They were lucky, smart, industrious or born into it. Fine. They receive the same rights as everyone else in this country. Forbes was blasted for his proposal on a "Flat tax" but all in all, it seems just.
I see what comes out of my check every two weeks and it really pisses me off. I'm not rich and I work very hard for my money so I can piss it away gambling (lol). Anytime the government wants to give me my money back, I'll take it. I 'd rather have it than let Congress waste it.
As for Bush not following through on his proposals, when has he had the time? 9-11 hit about a year after his presidency began. At that time, he was still fighting with a democratic Congress. Everything has taken a back seat to the safety of the US. Now, we're at war. I'm not happy with the economy and other domestic issues right now, either. And diplomatically speaking, Bush has little skill. However, as for a leader, Bush has stepped up to the plate. During the aftermath of 9-11 and this conflict, he has said what he is going to do and he has done it. Whether you agree with his choices or not is not the point, he has made decisions and stuck to them. That is what you ask a leader to do. Only time will tell if his choices have been correct or not. Whether he has made the correct choices or not will determine the next presidential election.
Why shouldn't the people paying the most receive the most in a tax break?
The rich should not be punished for being rich. They were lucky, smart, industrious or born into it. Fine. They receive the same rights as everyone else in this country. Forbes was blasted for his proposal on a "Flat tax" but all in all, it seems just.
I see what comes out of my check every two weeks and it really pisses me off. I'm not rich and I work very hard for my money so I can piss it away gambling (lol). Anytime the government wants to give me my money back, I'll take it. I 'd rather have it than let Congress waste it.
As for Bush not following through on his proposals, when has he had the time? 9-11 hit about a year after his presidency began. At that time, he was still fighting with a democratic Congress. Everything has taken a back seat to the safety of the US. Now, we're at war. I'm not happy with the economy and other domestic issues right now, either. And diplomatically speaking, Bush has little skill. However, as for a leader, Bush has stepped up to the plate. During the aftermath of 9-11 and this conflict, he has said what he is going to do and he has done it. Whether you agree with his choices or not is not the point, he has made decisions and stuck to them. That is what you ask a leader to do. Only time will tell if his choices have been correct or not. Whether he has made the correct choices or not will determine the next presidential election.
"extreme liberals"????
what "extreme" things have i espoused in this forum?
realizing that the current administration is corrupt? this is not an extreme belief...check out what Senator Byrd (the senior member of the senate) has said about trying to get ANYTHING productive accomplished with the cooperation of the presidents people. the words "hostile" and "hawkish" were included in his statement, and this was before we got into this mess of a conflict. he has worked with the past 10 administrations and never saw such deplorable behavior.
we're fighting a war that the rest of the world (and like it or not it matters) thinks is WRONG!?
what "extreme" things have i espoused in this forum?
realizing that the current administration is corrupt? this is not an extreme belief...check out what Senator Byrd (the senior member of the senate) has said about trying to get ANYTHING productive accomplished with the cooperation of the presidents people. the words "hostile" and "hawkish" were included in his statement, and this was before we got into this mess of a conflict. he has worked with the past 10 administrations and never saw such deplorable behavior.
we're fighting a war that the rest of the world (and like it or not it matters) thinks is WRONG!?
Actually Byrd does have "some" extreme views or at least he belonged to some pretty extreme organizations.
Just wanted to add one thing on the tax structure. The rich do need to pay more. No one gets rich without doing it on the backs of the poor. Their the ones who get the rewards of this capitalist system and their the ones who should pay to keep the safety nets in place. If there was a flat tax in place, there wouldn't be anyone willing to do the manufacturing and the work that makes the profits that makes everything move.
Just wanted to add one thing on the tax structure. The rich do need to pay more. No one gets rich without doing it on the backs of the poor. Their the ones who get the rewards of this capitalist system and their the ones who should pay to keep the safety nets in place. If there was a flat tax in place, there wouldn't be anyone willing to do the manufacturing and the work that makes the profits that makes everything move.
