Rose admits betting on baseball
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HUGE Pete Rose fan here. What he did was wrong.....it was even more wrong to lie about it, but he didnt mess with the "integrity" of the game. Well, not in the aspect that he was "fixing" games. And I cant believe that he didnt bet as a player too.....you ever see that bastard play? If I had my cash on the line, I'd be diving into the bases like there was no tomorrow too!!!
Bottom line.......Pete was great for baseball at one time. The media makes people out to be good or bad people. Probably no one on this site knows Pete personally. Gambling doesnt make you a bad person.....or else everyone on this sit would be a horrible person. I find that doubtful. He didnt fix any games.....he just wanted a little incentive to play harder! LOL! I am just kidding.......it was wrong, but he is one of the icons of the sport. Not sure if he should manage again....but let the guy have his day in the sun at the Hall
Bottom line.......Pete was great for baseball at one time. The media makes people out to be good or bad people. Probably no one on this site knows Pete personally. Gambling doesnt make you a bad person.....or else everyone on this sit would be a horrible person. I find that doubtful. He didnt fix any games.....he just wanted a little incentive to play harder! LOL! I am just kidding.......it was wrong, but he is one of the icons of the sport. Not sure if he should manage again....but let the guy have his day in the sun at the Hall
ESPN.com news services
MIAMI -- One of Pete Rose's former gambling associates disputes the career hit leader's claim that he never bet on baseball from the Cincinnati Reds' clubhouse.
Thomas Gioiosa, who once lived in Rose's Cincinnati home and now owns a health-supplement store in Ormond Beach, Fla., said in a telephone interview Tuesday that he often saw Rose wager on baseball before games.
"I was there, and we did it every day," Gioiosa said.
Rose admits in "My Prison Without Bars," his autobiography due out Thursday, that he gambled on the Reds while managing them. But in excerpts from the book obtained by ESPN.com, he says he only bet on the Reds to win and "never made any bets from the clubhouse."
"As we all know, it's very hard to take self-responsibility publicly," Gioiosa said. "I think he wants to air out his closet, but he doesn't want to air the whole thing out. Nobody really does. You've got to leave some skeletons. I wish he'd just come clean with everything. I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story."
Gioiosa said Rose would use information from telephone conversations with other managers to help decide which teams to bet on. Rose made bets by telephone from his clubhouse office, Gioiosa said.
"He'd pick up the phone, press 0 and say, 'Get me an outside line,' " Gioiosa said. "And when he was betting, there were numbers. He'd say, 'Give me No. 1,' and that would be the Reds. 'No. 4' would be the Phillies. 'No. 8' would be someone else."
Gioiosa was accused of claiming Rose's winning $47,646 ticket from a racetrack on his income taxes because Rose would have had to pay taxes at a higher rate.
Rose and Gioiosa met in 1978 and Gioiosa "became, over the next few years, a constant companion and runner for Pete Rose," according to the 1989 report by baseball lawyer John Dowd that led to the agreement in which Rose accepted a lifetime ban.
Dowd's report detailed telephone calls between Rose and his gambling network, including calls made from the Reds' clubhouse.
Gioiosa began running bets for Rose in 1984, the report found. Gioiosa said he did not cooperate with Dowd's investigation.
Rose spent five months in prison in 1990 and 1991 for filing false tax returns.
In the book, Rose admits placing bets through Gioiosa. Dowd concluded Rose bet on baseball from 1985-87 and detailed 412 baseball wagers between April 8-July 5, 1987, including 52 on Cincinnati to win.
Gioiosa said he and Rose last spoke in 1989, but that he will buy Rose's book.
"I want to see what he has to say," Gioiosa said. "I might even stand in line and have him sign it."
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Pete can't even stop lieing when he decides to tell the truth.
KOD
MIAMI -- One of Pete Rose's former gambling associates disputes the career hit leader's claim that he never bet on baseball from the Cincinnati Reds' clubhouse.
Thomas Gioiosa, who once lived in Rose's Cincinnati home and now owns a health-supplement store in Ormond Beach, Fla., said in a telephone interview Tuesday that he often saw Rose wager on baseball before games.
"I was there, and we did it every day," Gioiosa said.
Rose admits in "My Prison Without Bars," his autobiography due out Thursday, that he gambled on the Reds while managing them. But in excerpts from the book obtained by ESPN.com, he says he only bet on the Reds to win and "never made any bets from the clubhouse."
"As we all know, it's very hard to take self-responsibility publicly," Gioiosa said. "I think he wants to air out his closet, but he doesn't want to air the whole thing out. Nobody really does. You've got to leave some skeletons. I wish he'd just come clean with everything. I just wonder if he ever will tell the whole story."
Gioiosa said Rose would use information from telephone conversations with other managers to help decide which teams to bet on. Rose made bets by telephone from his clubhouse office, Gioiosa said.
"He'd pick up the phone, press 0 and say, 'Get me an outside line,' " Gioiosa said. "And when he was betting, there were numbers. He'd say, 'Give me No. 1,' and that would be the Reds. 'No. 4' would be the Phillies. 'No. 8' would be someone else."
Gioiosa was accused of claiming Rose's winning $47,646 ticket from a racetrack on his income taxes because Rose would have had to pay taxes at a higher rate.
Rose and Gioiosa met in 1978 and Gioiosa "became, over the next few years, a constant companion and runner for Pete Rose," according to the 1989 report by baseball lawyer John Dowd that led to the agreement in which Rose accepted a lifetime ban.
Dowd's report detailed telephone calls between Rose and his gambling network, including calls made from the Reds' clubhouse.
Gioiosa began running bets for Rose in 1984, the report found. Gioiosa said he did not cooperate with Dowd's investigation.
Rose spent five months in prison in 1990 and 1991 for filing false tax returns.
In the book, Rose admits placing bets through Gioiosa. Dowd concluded Rose bet on baseball from 1985-87 and detailed 412 baseball wagers between April 8-July 5, 1987, including 52 on Cincinnati to win.
Gioiosa said he and Rose last spoke in 1989, but that he will buy Rose's book.
"I want to see what he has to say," Gioiosa said. "I might even stand in line and have him sign it."
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Pete can't even stop lieing when he decides to tell the truth.
KOD
let him in
let him in
just to get the scumbag off the front pages....he detracted from the induction of 2 guys that were great for baseball...molitor and eckersley....
a liar....a gambler....a scumbag...a wife beater.....tax cheat..now he`s profitting from perfect timing by releasing a book....
let him in ....this`ll set a great precedent for future gambling scandals....
who would waste their precious time,mich less 25 bucks to read a book written by an as-hole that everybody realizes wouldn`t know the truth if it hit him square in the face...what are you gonna learn from this jerk?....
and what makes anybody think anything in the book is true....nothing else the guy says is true...
the guy never gambled on baseball as a player.....lmao..........double lmao.......how many guys in here never gambled until they were in their 40`s??????....just started gambling when they hit middle age...he was gambling...just not on baseball....because of his integrity,i guess.... lol..
......why wouldn`t everybody take the guy`s word on that???? ......
because his word isn`t worth jacks-it.......
let him in....just get him out of everybody`s face.....what he lacks in integrity,he more than makes up for in utter gall.....
honesty is the best policy....yeah,right...a great lesson for everyone......
and to think that jim rice can`t get into the hall in good part because sports writers don`t like him....:nono:
let him in
just to get the scumbag off the front pages....he detracted from the induction of 2 guys that were great for baseball...molitor and eckersley....
a liar....a gambler....a scumbag...a wife beater.....tax cheat..now he`s profitting from perfect timing by releasing a book....
let him in ....this`ll set a great precedent for future gambling scandals....
who would waste their precious time,mich less 25 bucks to read a book written by an as-hole that everybody realizes wouldn`t know the truth if it hit him square in the face...what are you gonna learn from this jerk?....
and what makes anybody think anything in the book is true....nothing else the guy says is true...
the guy never gambled on baseball as a player.....lmao..........double lmao.......how many guys in here never gambled until they were in their 40`s??????....just started gambling when they hit middle age...he was gambling...just not on baseball....because of his integrity,i guess.... lol..
......why wouldn`t everybody take the guy`s word on that???? ......because his word isn`t worth jacks-it.......
let him in....just get him out of everybody`s face.....what he lacks in integrity,he more than makes up for in utter gall.....
honesty is the best policy....yeah,right...a great lesson for everyone......
and to think that jim rice can`t get into the hall in good part because sports writers don`t like him....:nono:
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Ok,
I just watched the interview on ABC. Am I the only one who did not hear Pete Rose say, "I'm sorry"? I kind of got the sense he figures himself some sort of martyr and that baseball owed him. The video of him at the track last month was funny...he just doesn't get it. Still a "No" vote in my book.
Oh, and that Diane Sawyer...she is just hideous. Why do people sit down and talk with her? She is a horrible, self-serving "journalist".
The only good part was thirty minutes staring at the most angelic face on the planet. What it must be like to wake up in the morning, turn over, and see her.
Cheers,
M
I just watched the interview on ABC. Am I the only one who did not hear Pete Rose say, "I'm sorry"? I kind of got the sense he figures himself some sort of martyr and that baseball owed him. The video of him at the track last month was funny...he just doesn't get it. Still a "No" vote in my book.
Oh, and that Diane Sawyer...she is just hideous. Why do people sit down and talk with her? She is a horrible, self-serving "journalist".
The only good part was thirty minutes staring at the most angelic face on the planet. What it must be like to wake up in the morning, turn over, and see her.
Cheers,
M
I just dont understand Pete whatsoever. Now he wants to come clean....but yet he insists on lying again by saying he never bet from the clubhouse....and that those bet slips were not his. Jesus Pete....an FBI handwriting specialist said they were yours. The guy is just so deep in his own world that its ridiculous.
agree and the part where Pete said there is a supposed to be
a ass in every seat, and not half ass or something.
Sounded like he called the fans asses.
KOD
a ass in every seat, and not half ass or something.
Sounded like he called the fans asses.
KOD
Yeah....he sorta lost me on that one as well. I cant believe the guy is 62 years old. That blew my mind
Turfgrass
that about sums it up.
I don't think he will make it now.
All for the love of money.
KOD
that about sums it up.
I don't think he will make it now.
All for the love of money.
KOD
Hey guys huge Reds Fan here also, and I was a big rose fan growing up.
But what I don't see is he is not sorry for anything he did.
Hell I still don't think he is telling the whole truth.
The have the evidence he called his bookie from the team's clubhouse every nite before game about 7:15. They have the phone records, the bookie agrees and the handwritting bookie slips and still denies it.
He is just doing this to sell a book nothing more. The dude needs the money.
As far as his autograph going up in price if he goes into the hall. I doubt it very much. I have been in the sports memorabilia biz for a long time, and this dude has done signing appearances every weekend somewhere. He has signed millions and millions of autographs, just way too plentiful.
I used to sell at a lot of Baseball Card conventions in the late 80's and early 90's and the funny thing was when Rose signed for his 3 hours for $10 grand, he was always paid in cash. That is what got him in trouble w/the irs. And we all know where that money win.
FINAL WORD ON THIS:
Does Rose belong in the Hall of fame!
ANSWER:
YES, They should elect him in the year after he dies, so he does not get to enjoy it. But should eventually be put in.
But what I don't see is he is not sorry for anything he did.
Hell I still don't think he is telling the whole truth.
The have the evidence he called his bookie from the team's clubhouse every nite before game about 7:15. They have the phone records, the bookie agrees and the handwritting bookie slips and still denies it.
He is just doing this to sell a book nothing more. The dude needs the money.
As far as his autograph going up in price if he goes into the hall. I doubt it very much. I have been in the sports memorabilia biz for a long time, and this dude has done signing appearances every weekend somewhere. He has signed millions and millions of autographs, just way too plentiful.
I used to sell at a lot of Baseball Card conventions in the late 80's and early 90's and the funny thing was when Rose signed for his 3 hours for $10 grand, he was always paid in cash. That is what got him in trouble w/the irs. And we all know where that money win.
FINAL WORD ON THIS:
Does Rose belong in the Hall of fame!
ANSWER:
YES, They should elect him in the year after he dies, so he does not get to enjoy it. But should eventually be put in.
