ru...err,ron paul finishes second in republican debate poll on fox...

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no..not the cross-dressing black guy....lol

he blamed the u.s. for 9/11 during the debate...suggested eliminating the homeland security dept.....

i think,even if paul were in the democratic debate,as he should be,he`d be laughed off the stage...

and still finished second....

very tough questions as opposed to the "what about hillary" tripe from the pmsnbc debate...

tommy thompson?...those ears?....he makes howl gore look like john travolta in "saturday night fever".....

mccain?...."if we torture the enemy will torture us"......

actually,if mcain were paying attention, they torture the shit out of captives....the islamists cut off privates and stuff it in mouths for god`s sake ...then chop off their heads....

how many american captives do these guy`s have?...how many have gotten trials and/or cheap soap?....


he`s senile..and what`s with his elbows?...is that a result of his vietnamese torture?......wtf is he talking about?...

he`ll never get my vote....unless he runs against paul...

and 10 candidates is insane...time to start weeding out the chaff...
 

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Ron Paul is a patriot and truly has the best interest of this country at heart which can be said of an ever decreasing number of our elected officials.
 

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Paul was leading most of night in the poll. Dam it was fun watching Hannity just sweat that out. Then the call came from top. What ever happens Paul must not win. Second is OK. So the fix was in.
 

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Paul was leading most of night in the poll. Dam it was fun watching Hannity just sweat that out. Then the call came from top. What ever happens Paul must not win. Second is OK. So the fix was in.

judge/djv.....paul got all those votes from the wacky black helicopter crowd....the big L libertarians...and the left wing blogs that think it`s cool to skew a straw poll.....he`s basically sanjaya from american idol...

they really need to get a life...

while I would like nothing more than to have a giant forcefield over our fair nation and to tell the world to leave us alone, this simply cannot be.....anybody with 2 i.q. points to rub together realizes that.....we`re living in a time of international islofacism...

..he said 9/11 happened because we bombed iraq...and that the hostages were taken in iran in 1979 because we backed the shah in 1953?......lol....the hostages were taken because jimmy carter basically stabbed the shah in the back...

i`d wager that he believes that the gov`t had something to do with 9/11.......anybody know?...

he should run on an independent ticket with dennis kucinich and change his name to "ron appalling"...
 

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i caught the end of the debate last night & also thought that paul came off as a very weak candidate...

i'm still leaning to guiliani so far by a wide margin (so i guess that's not leaning...lol). ihowever i wish that he would run as an independent candidate...he would have a better chance....
 

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judge/djv.....paul got all those votes from the wacky black helicopter crowd....the big L libertarians...and the left wing blogs that think it`s cool to skew a straw poll.....he`s basically sanjaya from american idol...

they really need to get a life...
How predictable that Weasel would try to downplay the voting with the "aluminum foil deflector hat" card rather than discuss the substance of Paul's points in the debate. Clearly many Americans liked what he had to say and I am curious as to what impression Paul left you with, GW?

I did not see the debate but I have followed Paul's career as his district is a mere 35 miles from where I live. His independant stance on numerous issues has demonstrated that he does not give a shit about special interest groups and that he can not be bought. He is honest, almost to a fault, which at times has hindered his ability to get legislation passed but he clearly has an enlightened view of what America should be and what is best for our citizens.

As far as Paul "believing that the government had something to do with 9/11". that is another example of how GW likes to pigeon hole those that do not fall in line with his shepherd, George W. Bush. The link below will take you to a short article that Paul wrote on the 9/11 Commission and the following is a short excerpt from that article:

"The 9-11 Commission report is several hundred pages worth of recommendations to make government larger and more intrusive. Does this surprise anyone? It was written by people who cannot imagine any solution not coming from government. One thing you definitely will not see in the Commission report is a single critique of our interventionist foreign policy, which is the real source of most anti-American feelings around the globe."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html

Paul is without question, better qualified to lead this country than anyone the Republicans can come up with for the upcoming election and I would vote for him without hesitation.
 
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The guy was dead on Weasal and to think like you and Rudy, that they try to kill us for our freedoms, is flat out lying or just stupidity All those republicans puffing out their chest when he said a complete truth is laughable. By the reaction of the crowd and a few on this site this party always will cater to the gullible. Now Weasal are you telling me if we were never over there and never bothered with them this still would have happen? If Rudy believes this then once again we are gonna have another jackass for president. We already should realize we need somebody smart behind the wheel but with that crowd roar i think they want a president as dumb as they are.
When is someone gonna press Rudy on his great security status when he was the Mayor both times NY got attacked? When will they press him on why he put the command and control center right back in the Towers when people told him not to? This is why you saw that dope on the streets that day because he had no where else to go. Now he wised up and finally put it where they told him to to begin with. And Weasal lastly, i guess every man once in a awhile might dress up as a woman like on Halloween but he is on record of doing this four times. This is disturbing to say the least. Two weeks before nine 11 Rudy was voted most hated mayor of American but all you nitwits remember is him walking around on 9/11 because it was in fact his fault on why he had to take to the streets. For the sake of the country at least McCain is tolerable and Duncan Hunter didn't look that bad but this former mayor from NY has the gullible vote and that is a tough vote to beat.
 
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Wears womans clothes, marries his cousin, has numerous affairs, I don't understand this attraction to Rudy. :shrug:

Oh and as Weasel failed to mention Dennis Kucinich was right on the most important issue facing our country today.
 

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How predictable the Weasel would try to downplay the voting with the "aluminum foil deflector hat" card rather than discuss the substance of Paul's points in the debate. Clearly many Americans liked what he had to say and I am curious as to what impression Paul left you with, GW?

I did not see the debate but I have followed Paul's career as his district is a mere 35 miles from where I live. His independant stance on numerous issues has demonstrated that he does not give a shit about special interest groups and that he can not be bought. He is honest, almost to a fault, which at times has hindered his ability to get legislation passed but he clearly has an enlightened view of what America should be and what is best for our citizens.

He is without question, better qualified to lead this country than anyone the Republicans can come up with for the upcoming election and I would vote for him without hesitation.

Judge what he said is exactly how i feel and nothing will ever change that. I never heard of the man until last night and I was stunned that a Republican would say that. Rudy ganged up on him instantly and the crowd roared. I just wish he would have stuck to his guns and said more but it looked like he got a little intimidated. He could have said a ton of things but he didn't and Rudy kept trying to press on with his phony (im the best security guy out there) Mode. Just a few things i said in the earlier post he could have used but who knows maybe there is a lot of pressure standing up there.
 

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Wears womans clothes, marries his cousin, has numerous affairs, I don't understand this attraction to Rudy. :shrug:

Oh and as Weasel failed to mention Dennis Kucinich was right on the most important issue facing our country today.

Stevie its the same attraction that got Bush an 80 percent approval rating after 9/11 and we see how well that worked out. This country is a bunch of fools and these republicans know that. I wonder who is gonna step in for that fat fraud who just died? Saw the guy Kitchens (selling a book god is not great)really slam that fraud on cnn last night.
 

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And lastly i only saw about 40 minutes of this debate was there anything else they talked about besides terror or the confederate flag? Two of Fox news favor topics? Any talk about the soaring debt, healthcare, open ports, rotten trade deals? Or was it just the stuff Fox can fool people with? I will say this tho any debate without Cris Matthews involved you can take a little more seriously. I hope he never host one again. Cutting people off, talking over them, it was just like his show, brutal.
 

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Paul is without question, better qualified to lead this country than anyone the Republicans can come up with for the upcoming election and I would vote for him without hesitation.

of course this what these debates are all about...

i try to stay away from focusing on the debates at this time....it's a little too early for me. but the tv was on so i caught a little of it.

but from what i saw judge.... you have a better chance of getting the nomination judge than paul does ...but i do admit i don't know enough about him to give an educated opinion about him...
 
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The Lessons of 9/11
By: Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Before the US House of Representatives, April 22, 2004

We are constantly admonished to remember the lessons of 9/11. Of course the real issue is not remembering, but rather knowing what the pertinent lesson of that sad day is.

The 9/11 Commission soon will release its report after months of fanfare by those whose reputations are at stake. The many hours and dollars spent on the investigation may well reveal little we don?t already know, while ignoring the most important lessons that should be learned from this egregious attack on our homeland. Common sense already tells us the tens of billions of dollars spent by government agencies, whose job it is to provide security and intelligence for our country, failed.

A full-fledged investigation into the bureaucracy may help us in the future, but one should never pretend that government bureaucracies can be made efficient. It is the very nature of bureaucracies to be inefficient. Spending an inordinate amount of time finger pointing will distract from the real lessons of 9/11. Which agency, which department, or which individual receives the most blame should not be the main purpose of the investigation.

Despite our serious failure to prevent the attacks, it?s disturbing to see how politicized the whole investigation has become. Which political party receives the greatest blame is a high stakes election-year event, and distracts from the real lessons ignored by both sides.

Everyone on the Commission assumes that 9/11 resulted from a lack of government action. No one in Washington has raised the question of whether our shortcomings, brought to light by 9/11, could have been a result of too much government. Possibly in the final report we will discuss this, but to date no one has questioned the assumption that we need more government and, of course ? though elusive ? a more efficient one.

The failure to understand the nature of the enemy who attacked us on 9/11, along with a pre-determined decision to initiate a pre-emptive war against Iraq, prompted our government to deceive the people into believing that Saddam Hussein had something to do with the attacks on New York and Washington. The majority of the American people still contend the war against Iraq was justified because of the events of 9/11. These misinterpretations have led to many U.S. military deaths and casualties, prompting a growing number of Americans to question the wisdom of our presence and purpose in a strange foreign land 6,000 miles from our shores.

The neo-conservative defenders of our policy in Iraq speak of the benefits that we have brought to the Iraqi people: removal of a violent dictator, liberation, democracy, and prosperity. If all this were true, the resistance against our occupation would not be growing. We ought to admit we have not been welcomed as liberators as was promised by the proponents of the war.

Though we hear much about the so-called ?benefits? we have delivered to the Iraqi people and the Middle East, we hear little talk of the cost to the American people: lives lost, soldiers maimed for life, uncounted thousands sent home with diseased bodies and minds, billions of dollars consumed, and a major cloud placed over U.S. markets and the economy. Sharp political divisions, reminiscent of the 1960s, are arising at home.

Failing to understand why 9/11 happened and looking for a bureaucratic screw-up to explain the whole thing ? while using the event to start an unprovoked war unrelated to 9/11 ? have dramatically compounded the problems all Americans and the world face. Evidence has shown that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and the guerilla attacks on New York and Washington, and since no weapons of mass destruction were found, other reasons are given for invading Iraq. The real reasons are either denied or ignored: oil, neo-conservative empire building, and our support for Israel over the Palestinians.

The proponents of the Iraqi war do not hesitate to impugn the character of those who point out the shortcomings of current policy, calling them unpatriotic and appeasers of terrorism. It is said that they are responsible for the growing armed resistance, and for the killing of American soldiers. It?s conveniently ignored that if the opponents of the current policy had prevailed, not one single American would have died nor would tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have suffered the same fate.

Al Qaeda and many new militant groups would not be enjoying a rapid growth in their ranks. By denying that our sanctions and bombs brought havoc to Iraq, it?s easy to play the patriot card and find a scapegoat to blame. We are never at fault and never responsible for bad outcomes of what many believe is, albeit well-intentioned, interference in the affairs of others 6,000 miles from our shores.

Pursuing our policy has boiled down to ?testing our resolve.? It is said by many ? even some who did not support the war ? that now we have no choice but to ?stay the course.? They argue that it?s a noble gesture to be courageous and continue no matter how difficult. But that should not be the issue. It is not a question of resolve, but rather a question of wise policy. If the policy is flawed and the world and our people are less safe for it, unshakable resolve is the opposite of what we need. Staying the course only makes sense when the difficult tasks are designed to protect our country and to thwart those who pose a direct threat to us. Wilsonian idealism of self-sacrifice to ?make the world safe for democracy? should never be an excuse to wage preemptive war ? especially since it almost never produces the desired results. There are always too many unintended consequences.

In our effort to change the political structure of Iraq, we continue alliances with dictators and even develop new ones with countries that are anything but democracies. We have a close alliance with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, many other Arab dictatorships, and a new one with Kadafi of Libya. This should raise questions about the credibility of our commitment to promoting democracy in Iraq ? which even our own government wouldn?t tolerate.

Show me one neo-con that would accept a national election that put the radical Shiites in charge. As Secretary Rumsfeld said, it?s not going to happen. These same people are condemning the recent democratic decisions made in Spain. We should remember that since World War II, in 35 U.S. attempts to promote democracy around the world none have succeeded.

Promoters of war too often fail to contemplate the unintended consequences of an aggressive foreign policy. So far, the anti-war forces have not been surprised with the chaos that has now become Iraq, or Iran?s participation ? but even they cannot know all the long-term shortcomings of such a policy.

In an eagerness to march on Baghdad, the neo-cons gloated ? and I heard them ? of the ?shock and awe? that was about to hit the Iraqi people. It turns out that the real shock and awe is that we?re further from peace in Iraq than we were a year ago ? and Secretary Rumsfeld admits his own surprise.

The only policy now offered is to escalate the war and avenge the deaths of American soldiers ? if they kill 10 of our troops, we?ll kill 100 of theirs. Up until now, announcing the number of Iraqi deaths has been avoided purposely, but the new policy announces our success by the number of Iraqis killed. But the more we kill, the greater the incitement of the radical Islamic militants. The harder we try to impose our will on them, the greater the resistance becomes.

Amazingly, our occupation has done what was at one time thought to be impossible ? it has united the Sunnis and Shiites against our presence. Although this is probably temporary, it is real and has deepened our problems in securing Iraq. The results are an escalation of the conflict and the requirement for more troops. This acceleration of the killing is called ?pacification? ? a bit of 1984 newspeak.

The removal of Saddam Hussein has created a stark irony. The willingness and intensity of the Iraqi people to fight for their homeland has increased many times over. Under Saddam Hussein, essentially no resistance occurred. Instead of jubilation and parades for the liberators, we face much greater and unified efforts to throw out all foreigners than when Saddam Hussein was in charge.

It?s not whether the Commission investigation of the causes of 9/11 is unwarranted; since the Commissioners are looking in the wrong places for answers, it?s whether much will be achieved.

I?m sure we will hear that the bureaucracy failed, whether it was the FBI, the CIA, the NSC, or all of them for failure to communicate with each other. This will not answer the question of why we were attacked and why our defenses were so poor. Even though 40 billion dollars are spent on intelligence gathering each year, the process failed us. It?s likely to be said that what we need is more money and more efficiency. Yet, that approach fails to recognize that depending on government agencies to be efficient is a risky assumption.

We should support efforts to make the intelligence agencies more effective, but one thing is certain: more money won?t help. Of the 40 billion dollars spent annually for intelligence, too much is spent on nation building and activities unrelated to justified surveillance.

There are two other lessons that must be learned if we hope to benefit by studying and trying to explain the disaster that hit us on 9/11. If we fail to learn them, we cannot be made safer and the opposite is more likely to occur.

The first point is to understand who assumes most of the responsibility for the security of our homes and businesses in a free society. It?s not the police. There are too few of them, and it?s not their job to stand guard outside our houses or places of business. More crime occurs in the inner city, where there are not only more police, but more restrictions on property owners? rights to bear and use weapons if invaded by hoodlums. In safer rural areas, where every home has a gun and someone in it who is willing to use it is, there is no false dependency on the police protecting them, but full reliance on the owner?s responsibility to deal with any property violators. This understanding works rather well ? at least better than in the inner cities where the understanding is totally different.

How does this apply to the 9/11 tragedies? The airline owners accepted the rules of the inner city rather than those of rural America. They all assumed that the government was in charge of airline security ? and unfortunately, by law, it was. Not only were the airlines complacent about security, but the FAA dictated all the rules relating to potential hijacking. Chemical plants or armored truck companies that carry money make the opposite assumption, and private guns do a reasonably good job in providing security. Evidently we think more of our money and chemical plants than we do our passengers on airplanes.

The complacency of the airlines is one thing, but the intrusiveness of the FAA is another. Two specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11.

Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. Instead of more responsibility being given to the airlines, the government has taken over the entire process. This has been encouraged by the airline owners, who seek subsidies and insurance protection. Of course, the nonsense of never resisting has been forever vetoed by all passengers.

Unfortunately, the biggest failure of our government will be ignored. I?m sure the Commission will not connect our foreign policy of interventionism ? practiced by both major parties for over a hundred years ? as an important reason 9/11 occurred. Instead, the claims will stand that the motivation behind 9/11 was our freedom, prosperity, and way of life. If this error persists, all the tinkering and money to improve the intelligence agencies will bear little fruit.

Over the years the entire psychology of national defense has been completely twisted. Very little attention had been directed toward protecting our national borders and providing homeland security.

Our attention, all too often, was and still is directed outward toward distant lands. Now a significant number of our troops are engaged in Afghanistan and Iraq. We?ve kept troops in Korea for over 50 years, and thousands of troops remain in Europe and in over 130 other countries. This twisted philosophy of ignoring national borders while pursuing an empire created a situation where Seoul, Korea, was better protected than Washington, DC, on 9/11. These priorities must change, but I?m certain the 9/11 Commission will not address this issue.

This misdirected policy has prompted the current protracted war in Iraq, which has gone on for 13 years with no end in sight. The al Qaeda attacks should not be used to justify more intervention; instead they should be seen as a guerilla attacks against us for what the Arabs and Muslim world see as our invasion and interference in their homelands. This cycle of escalation is rapidly spreading the confrontation worldwide between the Christian West and the Muslim East. With each escalation, the world becomes more dangerous. It is especially made worse when we retaliate against Muslims and Arabs who had nothing to do with 9/11 ? as we have in Iraq ? further confirming the suspicions of the Muslim masses that our goals are more about oil and occupation than they are about punishing those responsible for 9/11.

Those who claim that Iraq is another Vietnam are wrong. They can?t be the same. There are too many differences in time, place, and circumstance. But that doesn?t mean the Iraqi conflict cannot last longer, spread throughout the region and throughout the world ? making it potentially much worse than what we suffered in Vietnam. In the first 6 years we were in Vietnam, we lost less than 500 troops. Over 700 have been killed in Iraq in just over a year.

Our failure to pursue al Qaeda and bin Laden in Pakistan and Afghanistan ? and diverting resources to Iraq ? have seriously compromised our ability to maintain a favorable world opinion of support and cooperation in this effort.

Instead, we have chaos in Iraq while the Islamists are being financed by a booming drug business from U.S.-occupied Afghanistan.

Continuing to deny that the attacks against us are related to our overall policy of foreign meddling through many years and many administrations, makes a victory over our enemies nearly impossible. Not understanding the true nature and motivation of those who have and will commit deadly attacks against us prevents a sensible policy from being pursued. Guerilla warriors, who are willing to risk and sacrifice everything as part of a war they see as defensive, are a far cry, philosophically, from a band of renegades who out of unprovoked hate seek to destroy us and kill themselves in the process. How we fight back depends on understanding these differences.

Of course, changing our foreign policy to one of no pre-emptive war, no nation building, no entangling alliances, no interference in the internal affairs of other nations, and trade and friendship with all who seek it, is no easy task.

The real obstacle, though, is to understand the motives behind our current policy of perpetual meddling in the affairs of others for more than a hundred years.

Understanding why both political parties agree on the principle of continuous foreign intervention is crucial. Those reasons are multiple and varied. They range from the persistent Wilsonian idealism of making the world safe for democracy to the belief that we must protect ?our? oil.

Also contributing to this bi-partisan, foreign policy view is the notion that promoting world government is worthwhile. This involves support for the United Nations, NATO, control of the world?s resources through the IMF, the World Bank, the WTO, NAFTA, FTAA, and the Law of the Sea Treaty ? all of which gain the support of those sympathetic to the poor and socialism, while too often the benefits accrue to the well-connected international corporations and bankers sympathetic to economic fascism.

Sadly, in the process the people are forgotten, especially those who pay the taxes, those whose lives are sacrificed in no-win undeclared wars, and the unemployed and poor as the economic consequences of financing our foreign entanglements evolve.

Regardless of one?s enthusiasm or lack thereof for the war and the general policy of maintaining American troops in more than 130 countries, one cold fact soon must be recognized by all of us in Congress. The American people cannot afford it, and when the market finally recognizes the over commitment we?ve made, the results will not be pleasing to anyone.

A ?guns and butter? policy was flawed in the 60s, and gave us interest rates of 21% in the 70s with high inflation rates. The current ?guns and butter? policy is even more intense, and our economic infrastructure is more fragile than it was back then. These facts dictate our inability to continue this policy both internationally and domestically. It is true, an unshakable resolve to stay the course in Iraq, or any other hot spot, can be pursued for years. But when a country is adding to its future indebtedness by over 700 billion dollars per year it can only be done with great economic harm to all our citizens.

Huge deficits, financed by borrowing and Federal Reserve monetization, are an unsustainable policy and always lead to higher price inflation, higher interest rates, a continued erosion of the dollar?s value, and a faltering economy. Economic law dictates that the standard of living then must go down for all Americans ? except for the privileged few who have an inside track on government largess ? if this policy of profligate spending continues. Ultimately, the American people, especially the younger generation, will have to decide whether to languish with current policy or reject the notion that perpetual warfare and continued growth in entitlements should be pursued indefinitely.

Conclusion
I?m sure the Commission will not deal with the flaw in the foreign policy endorsed by both parties for these many decades. I hope the Commission tells us why members of the bin Laden family were permitted, immediately after 9/11, to leave the United States without interrogation, when no other commercial or private flights were allowed. That event should have been thoroughly studied and explained to the American people. We actually had a lot more reason to invade Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq in connection with 9/11, but that country, obviously no friend of democracy, remains an unchallenged ally of the United States with few questions asked.

I?m afraid the Commission will answer only a few questions while raising many new ones. Overall though, the Commission has been beneficial and provides some reassurance to those who believe we operate in a much too closed society. Fortunately, any administration, under the current system, still must respond to reasonable inquiries.
 

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c`mon, judgy.......i doubt that anyone with a functioning neuron thinks that ron paul is going to be the next g.o.p. candidate?....no chance.....

you could go up and down the line and while paul may have a wired base(and yes,i do think it's tin-foil lined) especially thinking that 9/11 was our fault - which when you look at his positions, is precisely what he was saying.....who would be his v.p.?......ward churchill?....pat buchanan?

it doesn't take into account that the islamists have been going after the u.s. for 30+ years and believe that they are ascendant in world politics....

and just look around the world...india,russia,thailand,africa asia,europe..i could post numerous articles everyday on radical islam`s attacks on "the infidels"..you don`t have have to be invading iraq....

...radical islam is at odds with the world.....it`s not just us...we just happen to be the big kahuna...


the extreme libertarian philosophy isn`t viable in today`s world...just as it wasn`t viable 60 years ago....he might have been a decent candidate for the 1908 election.....certainly not in 2008...

ron paul follows an old american political philosophy....in the 30's it was called isolationism: "hitler has no complaints against america, let europe settle its own problems..."

sorry,it just ain`t that easy in the modern world......

who`s gonna allow radicals like bin laden to formulate and influence their foreign policy?.....

bin laden/"u.s. out of saudi arabia"....."u.s. out of the middle east"....paul/"it`s our fault".....i guess the governments of jordan,egypt,saudi arabia et all have no say in the matter?...bin laden makes their foreign poilicy?....

i don`t think so...

i can`t vouch for it`s validity,but theres an old story about paul....

when he first went to congress after a special electionion in 1975 he was invited into the minority leader`s office for a welcome and an orientation.....five mintues after the guy closed the door to his office the meeting broke up angrily......seems the guy asked paul for his social security number to get on the payroll....

paul launched into a lecture on how the social security system was an unconstitutional socialist scheme....

the guy`s ideas are great for pamphlets...not real life...

he`s a wingnut....

i`d like to propose a wager....being that you think that paul`s showing in the fox poll wasn`t skewed,i`d like to offer you 10 to 1 odds that paul doesn`t get the republican nomination.....

1000/100 or 100/10...whatever suits your budget...or maybe a signature wager....

and i`ll offer you 3-1 that he doesn`t finish in the top 3....

the ball`s in your court...
 
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Michigan GOP leader wants Paul barred from future debates

Michigan GOP leader wants Paul barred from future debates

By JIM DAVENPORT
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) ? The chairman of the Michigan Republican Party said Wednesday that he will try to bar Ron Paul from future GOP presidential debates because of remarks the Texas congressman made that suggested the Sept. 11 attacks were the fault of U.S. foreign policy.

Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis said he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates' debate Tuesday night, Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul said.

Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."

"I think he would have felt much more comfortable on the stage with the Democrats in what he said last night. And I think that he is a distraction in the Republican primary and he does not represent the base and he does not represent the party," Anuzis said during an RNC state leadership meeting.

"Given what he said last night it was just so off the wall and out of whack that I think it was more detrimental than helpful."

Anuzis said his petition would go to debate sponsors and broadcasters to discourage inviting Paul.

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign spokesman, said the candidate "is supporting the traditional GOP foreign policy. I think it's a shame when people try to silence the traditional conservative Republican standpoint."

After the debate Tuesday, Paul said he didn't' expect his remarks to end his campaign.

"The last time I got a message out about my position on the war it boosted us up by tens of thousands and I didn't change my position," Paul said. "I think the American people are sick and tired of this war and want it ended."
 

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By JIM DAVENPORT
The Associated Press


COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — The chairman of the Michigan Republican Party said Wednesday that he will try to bar Ron Paul from future GOP presidential debates because of remarks the Texas congressman made that suggested the Sept. 11 attacks were the fault of U.S. foreign policy.

Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis said he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates' debate Tuesday night, Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," Paul said.

Anuzis called the comments "off the wall and out of whack."

"I think he would have felt much more comfortable on the stage with the Democrats in what he said last night. And I think that he is a distraction in the Republican primary and he does not represent the base and he does not represent the party," Anuzis said during an RNC state leadership meeting.

"Given what he said last night it was just so off the wall and out of whack that I think it was more detrimental than helpful."

Anuzis said his petition would go to debate sponsors and broadcasters to discourage inviting Paul.

Jesse Benton, Paul's campaign spokesman, said the candidate "is supporting the traditional GOP foreign policy. I think it's a shame when people try to silence the traditional conservative Republican standpoint."

After the debate Tuesday, Paul said he didn't' expect his remarks to end his campaign.

"The last time I got a message out about my position on the war it boosted us up by tens of thousands and I didn't change my position," Paul said. "I think the American people are sick and tired of this war and want it ended."

he`s sort of to the republicans what larouche was to the dems.......

it must be a rule that there has to be a la rouche/harold stassen style nut (stassen wasn`t really a nut,just overly persistent) on the political scene at all times....

i like the ole` costa rican judge.....but i disagree on paul....

and btw, this guy has some baggage...

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/ron-pauls.html
 
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StevieD

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GW, you gotta get away from those Neocon blogs.

I am not surprised to find the neocon New York Sun attack someone who thinks Iraq is a mistake.
 

AR182

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GW, you gotta get away from those Neocon blogs.

I am not surprised to find the neocon New York Sun attack someone who thinks Iraq is a mistake.

stevie...

if paul said those remarks, what difference does it make where gw got them ?
 

The Judge

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i`d like to propose a wager....being that you think that paul`s showing in the fox poll wasn`t skewed,i`d like to offer you 10 to 1 odds that paul doesn`t get the republican nomination.....

1000/100 or 100/10...whatever suits your budget...or maybe a signature wager....

and i`ll offer you 3-1 that he doesn`t finish in the top 3....

the ball`s in your court...
Paul won't win the Republican nomination?

No shit Einstein.

I never said that he had a chance, only that I would vote for him. You say that the poll was skewed because you did not like the ourtcome. I say that the American people that listened what Paul had to say appreciated what they heard. I guess in your world there is no chance of that.

After the debacle that our current "leaders" have gotten us mired in, we could probably use a dose of isolationism. I for one, am sick and tired of being the world's police while people like you would prefer that we induce our will upon the rest of the world, seemingly at any cost.
 

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stevie...

if paul said those remarks, what difference does it make where gw got them ?

:mj07:

I'm looking forward to your query of Wayne along those lines when he posts a copy of a google search of blogs that are talking about something somebody actually said or did.

I won't hold my breath.
 
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