Say a prayer for the victims and the poor guys who made this mistake.

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Wonder how many of these innocents have also been harboring suicide bombers and al Qaida members. Was it even legal for them to have been firing weapons in the air?? They should have notified the proper authorities before they did this. Heck, if I wanted to fire a gun or even a noisemaker, I would have to get a permit from the city to do it legally. I promise to feel as bad for these people as they did for my countrymen who were killed in NYC and on the USS Cole, and I hope the "bombers" feel the same.
 

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Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said revelers had fired volleys of gunfire into the air in a traditional wedding celebration before the attack took place. American troops have sometimes mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.

Pretty friggin stupid to be firing guns in the middle of whats going on. Why a wedding at 2:45 AM????????? :confused:
 

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Has anyone told you that you are a political nerd who posts anoying things 24 hours a day? Is your life complaing about things and complaining aboiut the USA? I normally like to click on all the posts and be friendly to all the members but your posts are just the same stuff day in and day out. We don't need to even read the inside of the message we know what it is about.
 

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Not to take anything away from this article but what timbo said I agreed with.

I don't know whether this story is true or not, but I wish North American cable would include the Al-Jazeera station so that people could see that they report on stories like this daily.

Western hatred is an hourly headline for them.
 

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Dave Here is Al-Jezeera report but if you can get identicle coverage from T.S, New york and LA Times. ;)

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9133A091-4BD1-418C-B205-79E0B9B9BD06.htm


or you can go to fox and get both sides of story
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,120436,00.html

Can't tell yet which is fact or fiction but my intial quess is somewhere in between-

---and T.S. if the soilders are shown pictures of "the kids" kicking the burnt bodies of civilians or dead coalition troops it might ease their pain a bit--ya think.

If you ever spend a day in a soilder in combats shoes you will find weapons in the hands of women and children are just as leathal.
Don't they teach you that in P.C. 101?????
 
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Which ones?--The ones fighting with us or those against--and how do you tell the diff--and which ones are we not wanting to liberate as I thought it was Iraq in general.
:confused:

Simple solution to problem: Get a platoon of liberals over there and next time they have anticipated target and fly over in middle of night and receive gunfire we can parachute the liberals in just to "make sure" there are no civilians there before we return fire.:cool:
 

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here is the u.s. response to the attack

here is the u.s. response to the attack

U.S. Disputes Strike Report on Iraqi Wedding Party

Thursday, May 20, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq ? U.S. military officials disputed suggestions that an American helicopter struck a wedding party in western Iraq on Wednesday and said coalition forces staged an attack against suspected foreign fighters.

Arab television and The Associated Press aired video showing the bodies of small children in a truck full of bodies and people digging graves as they quoted witnesses and Iraqi officials who discussed the attack.

But senior military officials in Washington said U.S. and coalition forces conducted a strike on "anti-coalition vehicles" along the Iraqi-Syrian border.

According to the military, at 3 a.m. local time Wednesday, coalition forces conducted an operation against a suspected foreign fighter safe house in the open desert. The house was 25 kilometers from the Syrian border, 85 kilometers southwest of Husaybah (search), military officials said.

Coalition forces came under hostile fire and called for support from the air. After the strike, coalition forces recovered numerous weapons, foreign passports, a SATCOM radio and two million Iraqi and Syrian dinars, military officials said.

The attack killed about 40 people, officials said.

A Coalition Press Information Center official said that since it was carried out during a raid on a suspected safe house, the air strike would therefore be "within the rules of engagement."

That official reiterated that the objective was a suspected hideout, and had no information about a wedding party.

Iraqi officials and others described a very different scenario.

Lt. Col Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi (search), said between 42 and 45 people died in the attack, which took place about 2:45 a.m. in a remote desert area near the border with Syria and Jordan. He said those killed included 15 children and 10 women.

Dr. Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at 45.

The Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television reported that more than 20 people were killed and 10 injured in the attack.

The videotape, obtained and aired by Associated Press Television News, showed about a dozen bodies, one without a head. But it appeared that bodies were piled on top of each other and a clear count was not possible.

Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said partygoers had fired into the air in a traditional wedding celebration. American troops have sometimes mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.

The video footage showed mourners with shovels digging graves. A group of men crouched and wept around one coffin.

Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said, helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he said.

"This was a wedding and the (U.S.) planes came and attacked the people at a house. Is this the democracy and freedom that (President) Bush has brought us?" said a man on the videotape, Dahham Harraj. "There was no reason."

Another man shown on the tape, who refused to give his name, said the victims were at a wedding party "and the U.S. military planes came... and started killing everyone in the house."

Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a U.S. military spokesman, said earlier that the military was investigating.

"I cannot comment on this because we have not received any reports from our units that this has happened nor that any were involved in such a tragedy," Williams wrote in an e-mail in response to a question from The Associated Press.

"We take all these requests seriously and we have forwarded this inquiry to the Joint Operations Center for further review and any other information that may be available," Williams said.

In July 2002, Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan's Uruzgan province. An investigative report released by the U.S. Central Command said the airstrike was justified because American planes had come under fire.
 

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I love the dysphemisms used by Al-Jazeera to exagerrate every single paper cut.

I do wish to keep my opinions more sports related, but I don't think people understand what is being dealt with here.

Israel has been dealing with this 'delicate' situation for years, and now the Americans are faced with a similar enemy.

How do you rationally deal with a villain who has no rational means? Do you think that the American torture of prisonners was bad? To get tortured like that in Iraq, you don't even have to go to jail, you just have to be female. How do you distinguish between a terrorist and an ally when a suicide bomber is disguised as a pregnant woman? Suicide bombers attack checkpoints, pizzerias, schools, and crowded buses, while the Israelis and Americans are "occupating" the country trying to scavenger hunt for who's good and who's bad. These louts will stoop to any lows just to murder one American/Israeli because they are brainwashed into thinking that there are 40 virgins waiting for them in their heaven.

Contrary to what everyone thinks, this scum will not stop their thirst to murder when the 'occupation' ends, these people want the Western Civilization to die. Remember 9/11? I don't recall there being any occupation at that point. Is that clear? If they were in our country, they wouldn't be digging through a basket of apples trying to find which ones are rotten and which ones are good, they would kill all of us without blinking. You think they care about the liberal media that is defending them hourly? These 'resistance fighters' woud be proud to slaughter our women, children and media, and they would be proud to destroy anything that is remotely related to our lives.

Obviously these views do not represent the whole of the Palestinians or Iraqis, but it does represent the opinions of their leaders. Our media scutinizes every step that our soldiers make, meanwhile suicide bombers and "resistance fighters/martyrs" are briefed quickly off the top of the hour. Nobody questions why the "poor" Palestinian don't take the Billions of dollars that they invest yearly in terrorism and try to create a legitimate country. Nobody questions why Sadam's government robbed Iraq of so much money instead of trying to build a concrete foundation for a country.

Well, so much for me not getting involved.
 

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I tend not to believe the story. Why all the venom for what I said? I know if it was true, and I was the one who fired in error and killed 40 civillians I'd hope that someone was praying for me.
 

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My response was just a general thought, no malicious intent towards you or anyone else.
 

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DTB exactly the point. How do we tell? Why are you blaming liberals for every screw up that happens. Last I heard Bush and Rumsfeld are in charge of this so called war. If you don't like the way it is being fought be honest enough to blame them not the liberals.
 

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Vegas Dave said:
I love the dysphemisms used by Al-Jazeera to exagerrate every single paper cut.

I do wish to keep my opinions more sports related, but I don't think people understand what is being dealt with here.

Israel has been dealing with this 'delicate' situation for years, and now the Americans are faced with a similar enemy.

How do you rationally deal with a villain who has no rational means? Do you think that the American torture of prisonners was bad? To get tortured like that in Iraq, you don't even have to go to jail, you just have to be female. How do you distinguish between a terrorist and an ally when a suicide bomber is disguised as a pregnant woman? Suicide bombers attack checkpoints, pizzerias, schools, and crowded buses, while the Israelis and Americans are "occupating" the country trying to scavenger hunt for who's good and who's bad. These louts will stoop to any lows just to murder one American/Israeli because they are brainwashed into thinking that there are 40 virgins waiting for them in their heaven.

Contrary to what everyone thinks, this scum will not stop their thirst to murder when the 'occupation' ends, these people want the Western Civilization to die. Remember 9/11? I don't recall there being any occupation at that point. Is that clear? If they were in our country, they wouldn't be digging through a basket of apples trying to find which ones are rotten and which ones are good, they would kill all of us without blinking. You think they care about the liberal media that is defending them hourly? These 'resistance fighters' woud be proud to slaughter our women, children and media, and they would be proud to destroy anything that is remotely related to our lives.

Obviously these views do not represent the whole of the Palestinians or Iraqis, but it does represent the opinions of their leaders. Our media scutinizes every step that our soldiers make, meanwhile suicide bombers and "resistance fighters/martyrs" are briefed quickly off the top of the hour. Nobody questions why the "poor" Palestinian don't take the Billions of dollars that they invest yearly in terrorism and try to create a legitimate country. Nobody questions why Sadam's government robbed Iraq of so much money instead of trying to build a concrete foundation for a country.

Well, so much for me not getting involved.

All very true. But don't waste your time on the liberals out there with this, they have their own private agenda and nothing else matters. Politics at its finest.
 

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Contrary to what everyone thinks, this scum will not stop their thirst to murder when the 'occupation' ends, these people want the Western Civilization to die. Remember 9/11? I don't recall there being any occupation at that point. Is that clear? If they were in our country, they wouldn't be digging through a basket of apples trying to find which ones are rotten and which ones are good, they would kill all of us without blinking. You think they care about the liberal media that is defending them hourly? These 'resistance fighters' woud be proud to slaughter our women, children and media, and they would be proud to destroy anything that is remotely related to our lives

Copied from above.


Again someone putting Iraq with 9/11. You can't do that. Other than that Your post was very well thought out. My contention fromthe beginning is that the war on terrorshould not have gotten derailed in Baghdad. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
 

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Tossingsalad,

Although it is debatable whether direct links can be made between Sadam and 9/11, but at the same time it is naive in a sense to think that a dictator with so much power, money and hatred for the US was just playing Atari while all this was taking place.

Nosigar,

I wonder if there's any liberal media in Iraq reprimanding their insidious behaviour, specifically the individual(s) who performed the decapitation? :D

I know, I know....I did mention that I try to keep my opinions sports related. :tongue
 

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Stevie I am not blaming liberals for everything that happens-far from it. It takes action to be blamed for something-I blame them for fueling the fire like the terrorist on every event and opportunity that exists whether it is truth or fiction.

Case in point is CMans report above It made front page on Allgezeera-New York Times--LA Times-Boston Globe when they thought we targeted civilians--but "if" the facts even printed you will find them buried in some back page somewhere.

If thats not aiding and abetting the enemy I don't know what is.

I can respect those that do not care for the war but let those that are unfortunate to have to be there do their job.

You are a very intelligent person --do you not think terrorists are not gloating over Spain ordeal--and with liberal element here can you not see it is an open invitation for same? Let me ask you this--when action was taken to punish those in prison scandal--what purpose was there in showing the photo's--would just covering the story sufficed. Now who's cause was benefited by showing the photo's beside the terrorist and liberals? --and I would say if being shown nude and humiliated was only form of torture our troops or cilvilians there had to worry about if caught, they would consider themselves quite fortunate. Even short peckered troops such as myself:D
 

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The sooner we find a honrable way out of Iraq we should get quick.
 
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