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Is it just me or is Boehner the biggest pussychops
in the fawking entire world.

holy chit , the slobbering neocon turdface.
 

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If you are so worried about insurance costs in lieu of the real issues, do something about it and write to your lawmaker and insist on caps on malpractice payouts.

Several states have caps on malpractice payments. Are their ins rates lower? NO.

Shut your yap.
 

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Chadman:

Was sent this from a friend:

Aetna CEO
"Health insurance premiums will be MUCH HIGHER in 2014 and 2015 because of the law"
 

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Sponge:
What are your ailments that are incurable?

I am out a bunch of money this year as well - had to have 2 separate kidney stone surgeries...January and then again in March - first half of this year has been a blast!
 

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This just in...public companies are in business to maximize profits for their shareholders. Shame we couldn't get the profit out of this business like every other western industrialize nation who wouldn't trade our heap of shit system for theirs even if we bombed them.

If the prices they charge are too high, consumers search for lower cost options. That is why most wanted the public option

If you are so worried about insurance costs in lieu of the real issues, do something about it and write to your lawmaker and insist on caps on malpractice payouts. This bullshit talking point was finally put to the test in Kansas. Guess who won? Not one person but the health care industry profits rose greatly. Nothing was trickled down to the consumer. Why u neo-con thinkers fall for this bullshit over and over again makes a person realize why these shitty bills pass in the first place.

That will immediately reduce healthcare costs (fewer tests/procedures done only to protect against lawsuits) and will free up capital to reinvest in providing healthcare rather than to middlemen that adds no value.

Search for information and insights from doctors and people taking care of patients rather than reposts on left-leaning websites.

BTW...I'm not sure if you fly anywhere but, next time you are in the ED remember that, just like on the plane, you may be sitting next to a person who is paying ten times less than you for the same service and....for your benefit...you get to stand in line behind that person while you or your wife or your kid sits and waits and suffers. You will have lots of time to whine because insurance companies are making too much money just like the puppermasters want. silly

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Sponge:
What are your ailments that are incurable?

I am out a bunch of money this year as well - had to have 2 separate kidney stone surgeries...January and then again in March - first half of this year has been a blast!

What kind of surgeries? Mine is kidney stone related also. I had the procedure where they put me under and blasted the stones. I was sore (not terribly) for awhile. A week after the procedure i had another kidney stone. :shrug: This one was on the side they said had no stones I won't get on u anymore because u are in the tough man club of surviving a kidney stone. Fukin brutal. The last one was my easiest cause i immediately took a flomax then a few pain pills. I think the flomax help a lot to get it out unless it was a coincident. Stevvie leads the league on these things. The funny part is the list they gave me to avoid. The same shit they told me to eat to reduce my cholesterol :facepalm: MY back is another problem. These epidurals are a bunch of bullshit which led to him burning my nerves back (another procedure). I thought this would work and i got two weeks of relief where he said six months to a year. It is like a ladder u climb with these treatments. One failed procedure after another. They don't care but the cost is adding up. The only reason i don't complain about my problems is because my girls are ten times worse. One of these days i think im gonna walk in on her with her brains blown out. I doubt i would even shed a tear because i couldn't blame her one bit with the amount of suffering she is going thru.
 

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So does that not make the point valid? If Obama would have called it a tax to begin with there is no way in hell Obama Care would have had a chance. It was imperative that Obama promise again and again that Obama care would not raise taxes.. Well so much for that...

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Now is Obamacare good for the country??? Hell im not a lawyer or an economist and time will tell. But what rubs me the wrong way about this is the government forcing me to do anything. The precedence has now been set. The federal govt can tax and panelize citizens based on behaviors and choices they make. Whats next? Where does it end? Just aint right folks (oh dear I sound like illumi)

I never heard u complain about the mandatory car insurance u pay for :shrug:
 

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azbob;3223784 And the most important issue...the government is now telling us (again) what to do and what to buy which is another step toward SSD's accurate statement of socialist creep. Vote for Gary Johnson and send a message[/QUOTE said:
i haven't seen u complain about buying auto insurance either. Im kinda glad that the other guy who smashes into me hopefully has insurance.
 

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It's only a tax increase for those who lack personal responsibility and were hoping to continue to freeload the health care system. You would think the Republicans would be all for this idea. Heck they even were the founders of the idea until Obama wanted to use it then they hated it :142smilie
 

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Sponge:
yeah - kidney stones are bad - I have had 6 now.

Sorry to hear about your daughter.

On the auto insurance thing - if you do not want to have to buy auto insurance - do not drive - there is an option there.

As well as, auto insurance is really there for the other guy, the one you hit, not so much for yourself.


I still eat all the foods I want - I just drink a lot more water...first thing every day, I drink a gallon.
 

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What is it the the Republicans call the 16% that Heath Care Insurance premiums goes up every year?
 

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Chadman:

Was sent this from a friend:

Aetna CEO
"Health insurance premiums will be MUCH HIGHER in 2014 and 2015 because of the law"

You mean the CEO of a major insurer said that? Well, isn't THAT odd? :facepalm: Let's see... they raise premiums a lot before this came about, they raise premiums a lot after. Hmm... and they have no responsibility for any of this? They are just dealing with the cards they are dealt? You really expect people to believe they have no role in increasing healthcare costs? And I see that they complain about this situation, and what is the only healthcare sector that actually went up in the stock market after the announcement? Right... the insurance companies. Lots more folks on their list when this kicks in, and we're supposed to have compassion for their situation? I understand they have a right to make money. Never said they didn't. I don't know why you lump me in on the wildly liberal side of things with this. I think I've talked about there being many other reasons for the high costs, and this does little to lower cost. I think costs probably will go up - companies of all kinds will use this as a way to increase costs, many without having to explain why other than to cry "Obamacare."

Of course your solution is to go after the lawyers. As always. There are plenty of mechanisms in place to cap awards and costs for lawsuits. Really don't see those kinds of safeguards in place in other sectors of healthcare, especially when it comes to drugs. I would start there, if it were me, and take a look at some of what is being charged for things at hospitals and emergency rooms.
 

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Health Insurance companies and malpractice produce a major strain on costs not just directly but also indirectly.
Do you realize how many people facilities hire to cover their ass, make sure they are properly reimbursed, and make sure diagnosis are properly coded? That's a shitload of people making $40 an hour with full bennies. This has been a major back breaker to health care over past 15 years!

Do you realize how many nursing hours insurance companies eat up with some of their petty bullshit,

Example working at a transition unit, im caring for patient A with a new diagnosis. Doc orders glybyride for the patient, an hour later I get a call from the pharmacy because insurance won't cover it. Well fuck me, now I got to stop what I'm doing find out a comparative of what the fuckers will cover, re fax the doctor or sometimes call the doctor. Get the new order, transcribe it, put it on the mar, unless I'm lucky enough to still have a Huc who can transcribe it but even if I do I have to go over it to make sure it was done right. Thats just one order at one facility at one time.
 

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Also, I don't know what all obamacare has in order and don't know what the cost is and it's going to suck if it is outrageous. I do believe in universal health care. It's a service 95% of us are going to use extensively at some point in our lives. The other 5% are lucky enough to be significantly healthy or just drop dead!

I have worked an emergency room and people at going to one in for every sniffle regardless, they are hypochondriacs or extremely anxious. I'm hoping universal health care will get that guy who has some chest pain to come in and
Not dismiss it until next week when he is in full fledge MI. Or people will get their colonoscopy at 50 and get polyps removed until waiting Til they have stomach pain. The preventive is worth more than the cure. Most importantly it saves lives and to me that's worth a few extra $$$$$$$. The way we burn through money and hell I'm in the top tax bracket as far as percentage since Im single with no kids, I want my money to go there.
 

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Sponge:
yeah - kidney stones are bad - I have had 6 now.

Sorry to hear about your daughter.

On the auto insurance thing - if you do not want to have to buy auto insurance - do not drive - there is an option there.

As well as, auto insurance is really there for the other guy, the one you hit, not so much for yourself.


I still eat all the foods I want - I just drink a lot more water...first thing every day, I drink a gallon.

Yes, i up my water also. I meant my girlfriend not girl. As for car insurance, i know that is a reach but i bet 90 percent of us drive and it is mandatory to have insurance. Where is the outrage?
 
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