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The Affordable Care Act contains many provisions intended to drive the health care system toward providing greater value.

It would not be an overstatement to say that, with the exception of eliminating the tax break for employer-sponsored health insurance, the health reform law contains almost every idea that anyone, Democrat or Republican, has had in the past 10 years, about how to increase quality and efficiency in the health care system.

These ideas include accountable care organizations, patient-centered medical homes, value-based purchasing in Medicare, incentives for hospitals to provider better, safer and more efficient care, an excise tax on "Cadillac" health plans, and better information about treatment effectiveness to help patients and providers make informed decisions.

The value-based purchasing program, for example, will change the way Medicare pays hospitals for inpatient care. Instead of paying hospitals for the amount of care they provide, Medicare payments will now also depend on the quality of care provided. The idea is that by following best practices, hospitals will forgo unnecessary care, help patients recover faster and spend less.

Some of these reforms targeting the health care delivery system are novel, and experts are rightly cautious in their predictions about what they can accomplish and whether they will "bend the curve" of health care spending until it is sustainable.

There are other ideas out there on how we can reduce the federal government's obligations -- notably the plan advanced by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, which takes the brute force approach of simply shifting costs from the government to states and individuals. The Affordable Care Act is the better choice. Instead of papering over our problems by shifting ever-increasing costs to those least able to afford care or depriving people of the services they need, the health reform law applies the most creative thinking to address the roots of our spending problems.

Today, the court gave us the green light to get on with seeking solutions to the underlying problem of inefficient spending. It permitted the government to do what it should, to innovate in the face of a seemingly intractable social problem. Not everyone is happy with the decision. But no one can deny that it opens a new chapter in our history as we move forward on a bold and necessary policy experiment.

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who the fawk can argue with this.

maybe Willard who has to show Obama as a do nothing Pres. Kinda like Willard will be if he gets in there.
 
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You guys are great at cutting and pasting viewpoints that agree with your own.

You should try talking to a few folks who work in a hospital or take care of patients...or form an original thought.

Some are those bullet points of new regulations are useful...some not. I think Gary Johnson's statement is pretty spot on.

Americans can make a decision if they want the government to tell them what do, what to buy, what to eat, etc, etc.

Maybe you don't care because you don't buy a Big Gulp in New York, you don't have a stockholder interest in an insurance company, you aren't in the 1%, pay taxes or are looking for a job or watching your life savings cut in half because your house is worthless but, someday one of these government mandates will affect you and your family and then go back and read Gary Johnson's statement.

The fact is our debt to China, lack of a federal budget and congressional stalemate does affect you now but, most people are locked into what the media tells them to think so pick your poison in November and find something else to cut and paste today.
 

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You guys are great at cutting and pasting viewpoints that agree with your own.

You should try talking to a few folks who work in a hospital or take care of patients...or form an original thought.

Some are those bullet points of new regulations are useful...some not. I think Gary Johnson's statement is pretty spot on.

Americans can make a decision if they want the government to tell them what do, what to buy, what to eat, etc, etc.

Maybe you don't care because you don't buy a Big Gulp in New York, you don't have a stockholder interest in an insurance company, you aren't in the 1%, pay taxes or are looking for a job or watching your life savings cut in half because your house is worthless but, someday one of these government mandates will affect you and your family and then go back and read Gary Johnson's statement.

The fact is our debt to China, lack of a federal budget and congressional stalemate does affect you now but, most people are locked into what the media tells them to think so pick your poison in November and find something else to cut and paste today.


Guess what, azbob: the people have spoken through their elected officials. Passed by the House, passed by the Senate, signed by the president...and found Constitutional by the SCOTUS.

Go sit in a corner and do your whining.
 

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The majority of health care workers I have talked to are for this. Regardless of anything else lives will be saved and that's what the good medical workers care about!!

better care at lower costs should be the goal

we have been ripped off by the ins companies for too long
 
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You are right. If people don't like Obamacare they can work hard for Romney. Republicans are idiots for putting any effort into this fight now because those are words and effort and dollars that should be directed to their candidate as he will fix it.

Not be repeal but, rather by allowing states to op out which is the same thing The Obama is doing by granting waivers to hundreds of companies.

I'm sure there are healthcare workers on all sides of the issue...I think it's a great idea to talk to a few of them as Bleeding noted.
 

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You are right. If people don't like Obamacare they can work hard for Romney. Republicans are idiots for putting any effort into this fight now because those are words and effort and dollars that should be directed to their candidate as he will fix it.

Not be repeal but, rather by allowing states to op out which is the same thing The Obama is doing by granting waivers to hundreds of companies.

I'm sure there are healthcare workers on all sides of the issue...I think it's a great idea to talk to a few of them as Bleeding noted.

You should opt out, azbob. Opt out of the Clean Water Act, opt out of Medicare and Social Security, opt out of the Interstate highway system, opt out of public education, opt out of the FDIC, the FAA, the EPA, the CDC, the FDA, the USDA.

Opt out of each and every taxpayer funded agency and program there is. Keep all your income, pay no taxes, support no federal employees or programs.

It's easy to do. Move to Afghanistan.

Take the rest of the toothless teabaggers with you, and don't let the door hit you on the ass.

We won't miss you.
 

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You should opt out, azbob. Opt out of the Clean Water Act, opt out of Medicare and Social Security, opt out of the Interstate highway system, opt out of public education, opt out of the FDIC, the FAA, the EPA, the CDC, the FDA, the USDA.

Opt out of each and every taxpayer funded agency and program there is. Keep all your income, pay no taxes, support no federal employees or programs.

It's easy to do. Move to Afghanistan.

Take the rest of the toothless teabaggers with you, and don't let the door hit you on the ass.

We won't miss you.

Duff i think it is time for Azbob to get back to God, guns, and gays.
 
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azbob

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Nicely done sponge as your keen perceptive abilities have resulted, as usual, in you being way off base as I am agnostic, don't own a gun and could care less who other people are attracted to.

Maybe this is the day you should wonder if you are wrong about some of your other dunder-headed ideas too?
 

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Duff i think it is time for Azbob to get back to God, guns, and gays.


The azbob's problem is that he was born white in a two-parent family, managed to minimally meet the GPA requirement to graduate with some sort of BA degree from a third tier school, and now has an overpaid, but insignificant chair-warming job in the health care industry. If he dropped dead tomorrow, nobody would notice for a month.

He thinks that makes him genius, a decent human being and a benefit to his country.

The truth is that he's a self-important bigot who couldn't feed himself in a competitive job and has testicles a hamster would be ashamed of.

Just like his friends at the 19th hole.
 
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DUFF Miver?the early years.
Duff was a favorite among his classmates as the school graded on a curve.

Duff?s mother was well known and life was good for the family as she had received a settlement for a botched medical procedure at Planned Parenthood approximately seven months before he was born. Right to life activists called it a landmark ruling.

His home life was equally satisfying as he had breakfast with a different ?uncle? almost daily. One in particular, Uncle Hancock, was well known in the community for touching the lives of young boys. Uncle Hancock took an immediate interest in Duff and, in fact, gave him his nickname as he warned against going ?down there? on a woman. It was during this time that Duff got his first kiss.


DUFF?midlife
His mother ensured Duff grew up in a diverse household as Johnny Walker Red and Johnny Walker Black were both constant visitors.

Duff developed his love of on-line gaming during this period as he played dice endlessly as he stood in the queue at the methadone clinic.

Duff volunteered for the Special Olympics. He was able to enhance the lives of participants as they always felt better when they compared themselves and their ailments and disabilities to Duff?s crooked teeth, slow brain and limited vocabulary.

It was also during this time that he experienced his first kiss?from a woman. Duff thought the moment sensuous and magical but, his mother later described the event as a mistake.


DUFF?near death
Duff enjoyed a crime free life except for the three convictions. Courtroom observers admired his ability to talk down the charges from molestation to improper touching.

After the third strike, Duff spent six months in quiet reflection and isolation. He made no trouble for the guards and his roommates admired him for not being a snitch and for ?still being tight back there.?

Duff?s work legacy includes cleaner landscaping next to roadways, lower utilization of animals for medical experimentation due to his volunteering and he started the worldwide trend of the availability of gay sex at rest stops.

Duff found his online family at MadJacks?fellow posters refer to a day without a post from Duff as, ?A Good Day.?
 

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Great to see this thread has disintegrated into what they usually do. Serious issues, good points to be made, and then it results in bullshit. And so it goes...
 

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I know I have said this before, instead of worrying about health care costs, the government should not be giving families such a refund or having more and more kids. I am a single man with no kids and I have to eat up the tax burden more than most. So as far as I am concerned I would rather have my $$$$ go to health care. People complain about the welfare people not paying taxes. How about the family with 2 - 3 children getting $5 grand back come end of January. Knock some of that shit out and you can balance.

But I'm smart enough to know that we would still be in this position cause the government would spend that money too. Plus if families did not get the taxes back, the economy would take a hit.

I only bring this up cause my staunch republican friend worries and worries about what a welfare family gets when he gets a big check in February for having 3 kids. I tell him that he doesn't make a
Big contribution to the debt either.
 
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I agree with that Bleeding and the ironic thing is that this is one change that probably won't effect the ability of those voting for it to get re-elected so it doesn't even take that much courage.

People having kids to increase the number of tax deductions (and that goes on all of the time) probably tend not to vote.

Instead, the government is talking about eliminating the mortgage deduction. Rewarding the act of having unprotected sex and taking money out of the pockets of homeowners...I guess we get the leaders we vote for.

And an aside...maybe if we reduced the birthrate by a few tenths of a percent, healthcare costs might come down.
 

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The majority of health care workers I have talked to are for this. Regardless of anything else lives will be saved and that's what the good medical workers care about!!

BP: Or course they are for this. There is nothing in the bill to limit what they make, what doctors make, what hospitals make or what Big Pharma makes.

They were all protected - so they are happy.

Now, if there were price controls on them - limitations of income made - like Obama did to the insurance companies, then you'd hear some screaming. It would look just like Madison 2 years ago - where they all skipped out of working to go protest. The difference is, they'd leave their jobs at the hospitals, etc and protest in Washington.

But they are unaffected. And since Docs/Hospitals/Rx make up over 80% of the cost of our healthcare system, the costs will continue to go up - just now at a much faster rate.
 

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bleedingpurple;3225977 I only bring this up cause my staunch republican friend worries and worries about what a welfare family gets when he gets a big check in February for having 3 kids. I tell him that he doesn't make a Big contribution to the debt either.[/QUOTE said:
BP: Are you looking at the whole picture?

Your Repub friend - did he pay in $60K in tax via withholding, and is now getting $5K back in February, because his tax liability was $55K, so he overwithheld?

That is a lot different than someone that paid nothing in, and still gets a check back due to refundable tax credits.....

Just because he got a check back doesn't NECESSARILY mean that he wasn't contributing........
 

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Gary Johnson's comments on the ruling are spot on.

DC needs an enema.

Do yourself a favor and look up his record as governor of New Mexico please.

I was fortunate enough to have a brief private conversation with him this weekend while he was in Ohio.
 

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Gary Johnson's comments on the ruling are spot on.

DC needs an enema.

Do yourself a favor and look up his record as governor of New Mexico please.

I was fortunate enough to have a brief private conversation with him this weekend while he was in Ohio.

i will look him up again but im not gonna vote for anyone that isn't on the debates. I hate to say something like this but the reality is those will be the only two who have a chance. Im pretty sure i voted for Perot and i know i voted for Nadar. At least Perot got on the debates. I just can't waste a vote like that again. Yes u feel good about ur vote but the reality is that it is throwing it away. I know Gore got screwed vs Bush and if i knew my one vote got 4000 kids killed in Iraq i would be sick to my stomach. if this Johnson is this good then somehow his following needs to get him on the debates. This system sucks so bad but the guys running the show are the system.
 

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Gary Johnson's comments on the ruling are spot on.

DC needs an enema.

Do yourself a favor and look up his record as governor of New Mexico please.

I was fortunate enough to have a brief private conversation with him this weekend while he was in Ohio.

Okay i read a lot about him on hopefully a good website and my opinion of him is that he is more of an old school republican who is ten times better than Romney. I don't like a some of stuff he says but i also do like a lot of stuff he says. He said he would like to get rid of oil subsidy's. That automatically puts a 50 million dollar negative campaign against him :facepalm: he isn't that great of a union man but it sounds like he is talking about city unions. He says the problem with unions is that u can hire a great union worker and a bad one and u can't get rid of the bad one. This is not true in the trade fields.. If u don't work u are gone. I had to write this fast got to go.
 
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