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Our government did not belong in this to start with as they handled it. The state of Florida had the law on it,s side. Right or wrong and it's SAD as hell. But politician just played with this as they do for attraction. And T V For sure Hainnty dam near doing a death watch is real sad. Let the family in peace. But then I know thats hard because they end up in front of the cameras every 5 hours.
Get your paper work in order gang.
Oh yes when the polls started showing congress was on wrong side 70/30 they are running away.
 
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i always wondered about these witnesses that are paid to support a certain position....

everybody knows they are basically a gun for hire....but,everyone proceeds as though that`s not an issue....that their testimony is completely objective...

it`s like the old hans christian andersen story"the king`s new clothes"....

everybody knows the deal...but it makes a mockery of the judicial system if you state the obvious........so,it`s better to just leave it alone...

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Hannitty should be ashamed of himself. He knows no morals or ethics. To be broadcasting in front of a hospice where's the fcc on that one?
 

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Hannitty should be ashamed of himself. He knows no morals or ethics. To be broadcasting in front of a hospice where's the fcc on that one?


I rarely watch Fox or any news for that matter as I'd much rather watch sports or Seinfeld reruns. Are you saying he's broadcasting near her nursing home on a live remote or something? I agree with you, I think that's terrible.
 

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Yes, that is what he did. There is something else very big brewing here. This is not about Terri.
 

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i`m no hannity fan...but are you guys kidding?.....every media outlet in the country has people doing live feeds from in front of that hospice.....

there are many more media than protestors there...

explain...
 

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i`m no hannity fan...but are you guys kidding?.....every media outlet in the country has people doing live feeds from in front of that hospice.....

there are many more media than protestors there...

explain...

Like I said, I don't watch news. I still think it's bad doing a live remote there.
 

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Yes all networks are there. But hannity pulls up chair and sits there every night and does his show form there. Then he of course takes the side of the protesters there. He is to report the news not try and tell us what is right or wrong. Every time one of his guest does not agree with him he will over talk them or say we got to get to break. If he just didn't act like such a smart ass.
 

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If you do not see the evil of any side doing a talk show from that location then I truly do not have anything else to say about it. That is a place where people take their loved ones to die and spend their last minutes with them. It is bad enough that they post news people out there like they were expecting a hurricane so we could see the wind blow the dopes around but to invade a place like thatwith a talk show to push forth any agenda is disgusting.
 

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every fricking new outlet has reporters there....

every fricking news outlet has reporters parked in front of the vatican....why?...because the pope may die....they weren`t talking about easter...ther are talking about the pope`s health....

like it or not,the schiavo case is the biggest news going on in this country right now...temporary legislation was passed alreadty regarding the case..

there was the possibility of a confrontation in front of the hospice between state police and the local yokels if this thing had played out a certain way....

you can do live spots every 10 minutes....but can`t have the host there to talk to the actual people involved?

where`s that rule written?

that`s the funniest thing i`ve read in awhile...

the fcc?...was howard stern down there?

i`ll be waiting to see how the "fcc" sanctions hannity....and every other news operation with a camera and a microphone....

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Hannitty aint a frickin' news show! He is a freakin' commentator and is running a feakin' talk show. There is a difference. The news is bad enough but to have people using the tragedy to advance their own agenda under the disguise of news is disgraceful. You wonder why the news is the way it is? It is so bad that people can't even distinguish between news and opinion these days.
 

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By JILL BARTON, Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Jennifer Johnson, barefoot and in her pajamas, ran to her grandfather's bedside once a hospice worker said his death was moments away. She got there ? one minute too late. Johnson said the chaos outside the hospice where Terri Schiavo is dying kept her from saying goodbye.

When Jen Johnson arrived, a police officer demanded identification; she had none. And after a hospice employee cleared her, another officer halted her for a search with a metal detector.


The delays lasted three to four minutes ? the last of her grandfather's life.


"It's a terrible, extra obstacle to put in front of a family. ... Everything is about Schiavo," Johnson said. "It's all about her and in my family's case, it cost us dearly."


Woodside Hospice has 70 patients besides Schiavo, whose parents are desperately trying to have her feeding tube reconnected. Dozens of protesters have arrived from across the nation since the tube was removed March 18, and at least 15 have been arrested, prompting a police barricade around the facility and unprecedented security.


Family members visiting patients must pass through a police checkpoint to park, then show identification outside the door before another security screening inside. They also must walk by scores of signs decrying Schiavo's "crucifixion," "torture," and "starvation," plus navigate around hordes of media who have been camped outside.


"To have to maneuver through all of this and have a hostile environment outside when all they want is peace and quiet and to enjoy those few days they have left with a loved one is a horror," said Dr. Morton Getz, executive director of Douglas Gardens Hospice in Miami.


Getz said many people with a family member in a hospice have to make the same excruciating decision that courts have made for Schiavo.


"It's causing a lot of grief and questions in their own mind on whether they did the right thing," he said. "It's unconscionable to have a family member to be near the end stages of life and to get there, you have to walk through signs that say, 'Murderer.'"


Most protesters direct their signs and their chants against the courts and Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, who insists she would not want to be kept alive artificially.


But walking through a hostile environment can only add stress to what's already an emotionally draining situation.


"It probably has the same psychological effect on the residents' families as it does on someone who is walking into an abortion clinic and facing signs and aggressive behavior," said Elizabeth Foley, a Florida International University law professor who specializes in bioethics.


Over the past few days, as Schiavo's parents' attempts to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted repeatedly failed, signs outside the hospice have grown more desperate. Doctors have said Schiavo would probably die within a week or two of the feeding tube being removed.


Messages compare Michael Schiavo to Scott Peterson (news - web sites), convicted of killing his wife and unborn child in California, and John Evander Couey, who allegedly murdered a 9-year-old girl in Homosassa.


One woman in a wheelchair regularly moves up and down sidewalks in front of the hospice yelling in a megaphone, "We're disabled, not disposable!" and "Terri is a person, not a vegetable!"


Relatives of hospice residents say the clamor ? intended to rattle Michael Schiavo ? rattles their patience.


"It's a real pain in the neck," said Bill Douglass, whose mother-in-law is a resident. He said the only consolation is that she is "oblivious" to the outside scene.

Police and hospice officials say they are trying to minimize the intrusion on hospice residents and their families, and that the security measures are meant to protect the privacy and safety of all residents, not just Schiavo.

But Johnson, 24, said her 73-year-old grandfather, Thomas Bone, was restricted from moving freely around the hospice grounds during his final days. He died just hours after Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed and protests intensified.

"They've taken away hospice's greatest quality, that it is peaceful and serene and quiet and calming ? and it's not fair," Johnson said.
 

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But you see Steve all those folks didn't give a chit about her. Or her grandfather. There being there and with there threats of interfering. The police have to be there and act like dumb asses. These folks just look for high profile cases to show up to push there agenda. If you think they really care about Terri. I would say more then 50% don't give a chit.
 

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you lefty`s may not like it...but it`s called freedom of the press...

of course,it`s only free when it suits your agenda..

stevie...that article was the most pathetic piece of propaganda i`ve ever read...another example of how biased the liberal media is....

who`s shocked that all these polls are playing out the way they are...it`s all in the way they`re presented....

put a poll out that says...,"should terri schiavo be starved and dehydrated to death"....,which is exactly,precisely what`s happening, and see how the numbers play out....


djv...nice to see that you can read minds...

calm down...she`ll be dead soon enough..

btw....when are the fcc sanctions on hannity going to be handled down?.....
 
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Garden my friend, how do you think you know so much about this case? It is the media! The MEDIA! Whenever it doesn't suit you call it the LIBERAL MEDIA. It is THE MEDIA!
You must be so miserable about the law Bush signed in Texas in 1999. Yes, these same thugs who pretend to care so much for Terri and life in this case passed and signed a law in Texas where they will pull the plug or the feeding tube or whatever is keeping you alive if you can't pay for it! So why don't you tell me how they can be so hypocritical and have such little regard for life.
 

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fla. officials attempt, fail to seize schiavo

fla. officials attempt, fail to seize schiavo

Fri Mar 25, 9:32 PM ET

By Carol Marbin Miller, Knight Ridder Newspapers

MIAMI - Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo wasn't to be removed from her hospice, a team of Florida law enforcement agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted - but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Miami Herald has learned.

Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.


For a brief period, local police, who have officers around the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called a showdown.


In the end, the state agents and the Department of Children and Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.


"We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in," said a source with the local police.


"The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene," said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. "When the Sheriff's Department, and our department, told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off."


The incident, known only to a few, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in state law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.


Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Miami Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis - and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.


"There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink," said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities. In jest, one official said local police discussed "whether we had enough officers to hold off the National Guard."


"It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police," the official said. "It was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think."


State officials on Friday vigorously denied the notion that any "showdown" occurred.


The Department of Children and Families "directed no such action," said agency spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez.


Said Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre: "There was no showdown. We were ready to go. We didn't want to break the law. There was a process in place and we were following the process. The judge had an order and we were following the order."

The developments that set Thursday morning's events in motion began the previous afternoon, when the governor and DCF chief Lucy Hadi held an impromptu news conference to announce that they were considering sheltering Schiavo under the state's adult protection law. The department has been besieged, officials say, by thousands of calls alleging Schiavo is the victim of abuse or neglect.


Alerted by the Bush administration that Schiavo might be on her way to their facility, officials at Morton Plant Hospital went to court Wednesday, asking Florida Circuit Judge George Greer, who ordered the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube last week, what to do.


"It's an extraordinary situation," said Beth Hardy, a hospital spokeswoman. "I don't think any of us has seen anything like it. Ever."


Greer signed an order Wednesday afternoon forbidding the department from "taking possession of Theresa Marie Schiavo or removing her" from the hospice. He directed "each and every and singular Sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order.

But Thursday, at 8:15 a.m., DCF lawyers appealed Greer's order to judges at the Second District Court of Appeal in Lakeland.

That created the window of time to seize Schiavo. When DCF filed its appeal, it effectively froze the judge's Wednesday order. It took nearly three hours before the judge found out and canceled the automatic stay, shortly before 11 a.m.

Administrators of the 72-bed hospice, who have endured a withering siege of their facility by protesters since Greer last Friday ordered Schiavo's feeding tube be removed, declined to discuss Thursday morning's events in any detail.

"I don't really know, or pretend to know, the specifics of what is going on behind the scenes," said Mike Bell, a spokesman for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, which operates Woodside.

According to sources, DCF intended to take Schiavo to Morton Plant Hospital, where her feeding tube had been reinserted in 2003 following a previous judicial order allowing its removal. But hospice officials were aware that the hospital wasn't likely to perform surgery to reinsert the tube without an order from Greer.

"People knew that taking (Schiavo) did not equate with immediate reinsertion of the feeding tube," a source said. "Hospital officials were working with their legal counsel, and their advisers, trying to figure out which order superseded which, and what action they should take."

Hardy, the hospital spokeswoman, said she doesn't believe the hospital was made aware Thursday morning that DCF and state police planned to bring Schiavo in.

George Felos, the attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael, said he doesn't think DCF officials knew of the window of opportunity they had created until well after they filed their appeal.

"Frankly, I don't believe when they filed their notice of appeal they realized that that gave them an automatic stay," Felos said. "When we filed our motion to vacate the automatic stay ... they realized they had a short window of opportunity and they wanted to extend that as long as they could.

"I believe that as soon as DCF knew they had an opportunity they were mobilizing to take advantage of it, without a doubt."
 

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stevie..i haven`t really given bush much thought during this mess...i know that you have,though...lol


.i`ve read up on this case...that`s how i get info....how i found out that terri`s been denied rehab since "93"...how i found out that she`s been denied mri`s and pet scans by michael.......

there are issues that may never come to light thanks to the media regarding the slipshod and biased treatment of the schindler`s appeals by the 11th circuit and by judge greer(many of whom believe that this judge has become biased against the schindlers)...

it`s a moot point...the media will never address these issues because,imo,they see this as a cultural issue...and they see the "religious fanatics" as the enemy vs the liberal,secular elite....

i`m no right to life guy..nor am i very religious....at least not outwardly...by going to church and such.....i believe in some manner of reproductive rights for women...i believe in euthanasia...not if it takes 2 weeks to accomplish...but,if it`s swift and painless....

nor would i want to exist in terri`s physical state....

but,i don`t believe that michael knew what terri`s wishes were...at least,there`s no written proof....i hope he`s being honest....i do seriously doubt that,if he did ask her about her wishes,her response was,"starve me to death slowly"....

imo, this case stinks to high heaven...

one thing i`m trying to find out is whether or not terri will leave a life insurance policy....and who benefits from it if there is one....

i`ve read or heard nothing...leads me to believe that there is none...but,that would be unusual....

i just hope that ms schiavoi will die sooner rather than later...8 days and counting....probably feels like a lifetime of agony for the mother and father....anybody that has children,knows what i`m talking about....

still befuddles me that this modern,technologically advanced society has to let someone die an agonizingly slow death when murderers are afforded a swift and meciful death....

i don`t care how many "experts" testify as to the humanity of drying a human being out like a prune...over a two week time period........i`m not buying it....

if this were truly the case,surely this backwards judicial system would offer it up for the convicted murderers of our society....i`d love to see how the aclu would react to the dehydration deaths of their beloved multiple murderers,child predators and the like.....

i can here them howling...

thanks for the debate....and the laugh regarding the fcc.....we`ll agree to disagree...
 
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Garden, you said you learned about the case by reading about it. We all did. That is the media. You formed an opinion that the husband is no good, that the parents are somehow able to take care of her although you never said how. You came to the conclusiuon that she is alert and can feel pain. All through what you read in the media. It is not liberal media. Its the media.
I find no joy in her death and like you i pray that she does not feel pain. But there are thousands of people making these same life and death decisions every day. These are the laws of the land. I agree about a quicker and more humane death but interesting enough I dont hear the politicians talking about it.
 
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