schiavo case...

[gardenweasel]

but,the fcc isn`t allowing the media to stay in front of the hospice?.....lol....just kidding...

let me be more specific....the "MAINSTREAM MEDIA"....hope that clarifies the issue...

been reading many blogs on the internet...and the majority of media is liberal...stevie,you know that....

that`s why the info on the pet scans,the rehab,the number of judges in the 11th circuit that begged off...the 50 experts that are appalled at the lack of same pet scans and mri`s......and that sustenance can be refused based on old info that hasn`t been updated in over a decade....or never done.... the allegations that terri was going to divorce michael...

and on and on...isn`t being provided in the "mainstream" media...

they are providing stories about shoeless kids being denied access to their dying grandparents because ms schiavo`s parents have the GALL TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DAUGHTERS MISERABLE LIFE.........how dare they....lol

michael may be your hero...not mine...

i just read that michael denied the parents last communion with their daughter..not a whole wafer.....a tiny ,minute "piece" of wafer on her tongue...it melts.....she can`t swallow anyway...they had to fight to be allowed a spiritual communion....

hard to defend this guy......shows him to be a vindictive prick...

very sad...

 

[gardenweasel]

it will be interesting to see if there`s anything left of the medical settlement....or a life insurance policy......

 

[THE KOD]

One of the neighbors said that this whole battle started when Micheal refused to pay for a house with insurance money for the parents, terry and him to live in.

So instead they spent it on legal battles.

Seems like she will be in heaven on Easter Sunday.

Too much pain for everyone in this case.

 

[djv]

GW if she has to go let her go in peace. Do I like all that has happened here. Hell No. And the press I'm sure has not did some of this any justice. If the laws say this is it what can be done. And we just can't decide what times we like the law. And then when we don't need to follow it.
But what is sad there are over 60 patients at that center trying to pass in peace. But the protesters and some of the media seem to have for gotten that. They have rights to.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Can't say I ever saw more divided opinions on subject--have heard boths sides and got one question.
would anyone on either side want to be kept on life support for 15 years--I haven't found the 1st yet that said they would--yet they presume that she would--which in fact is what this all boils down to.

 

[Bombs]

Can't say I ever saw more divided opinions on subject--have heard boths sides and got one question.
would anyone on either side want to be kept on life support for 15 years--I haven't found the 1st yet that said they would--yet they presume that she would--which in fact is what this all boils down to.

1. She is NOT on life support. She has a feeding tube, there is a big difference. She breathes on her own.

2. It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else would want in this situation, it matters what she wants. We clearly don't know what that is.

 

[djv]

Bombs the case has been before 6 or 7 different courts. THEY all say she did not want to lay like this with a tube feeding her. We never sat in the court room so we know no other ruling. I mean this started 10 years ago. But I do know other patients at that site that are dieing. They deserve respect and there family's should not have to fight thru a bunch of protesters to see there loved ones. Some of these idiots should go home and get a real job.

 

[gardenweasel]

djv..let it go....or i`ll come back in and rock your world with some facts...

she`s going to die...bottom line...it`s over..

 

[StevieD]

Let us hear the facts that you got off some Blog GW. Don't hide it from us. Funny, your blogger knows the facts but none of the courts in Florida seem to. Maybe youcan get a message to Jeb, who could then have a foot to stand on so it wouldn't look so much like a grandstand play to the rest of us.

 

[gardenweasel]

still waiting on that fcc ruling,stevie...

anybody keeping count on how many "stevie" responses don`t include a "bush" reference?...lol...


first off stevie,the initial "state" action taken in this case was the removal of terri`s feeding tube....not congressional involvement...

secondly,the chronology of this case is absolutely a major issue...

...serious brain injury in schiavo home in 1990...dubious circumstances believed by some..

...in 1992, her husband had filed claims against several of her former doctors, claiming her “collapse” was caused by a misdiagnosis....

.....he received over $1.5 million in 1993 including $750,000 which had been specifically earmarked by the trial jury for terri’s rehabilitation """based on a life expectancy of 50 years"""......at the hearing he testified that he would care for terry for life....become a nurse if necessary...lol

.....in the interim,in 1991...1.5 years after his wife`s accident,he became involved with cindi shook...who testified in court proceeding that schiavo stalked and harrassed her after she broke up with him....


......virtually as soon as michael schiavo received the monies from the medical malpractice claim involving his wife, terri , the loving husband wiithheld all therapy and rehabilitation services from her......

.....in 1995,he started dating his current squeeze....2 kids and a couple mercedes later,here we are...

......michael claims in 2000,that the money is inconsequential...and says he`s willing to donate it to charity...we`re still waiting for that one...

.....he has since refused mri`s...pet scans....and swallow tests...even at the behest of the ad-litem guardian jay wolfson,who defends him now...


.....michael and his lawyer refuse to answer questions regarding the remainder of the settlement or any life insurance policies.....

i suspect that that will come out eventually...not through the biased main stream media,but through the dreaded" blogs".....

if i get a chance later,i`ll give a short synopsis of the legal conflict of interest involving the judiciary....

stevie......do you have anything to add aside from "the bush`s are the devil"?.....

do some looking around on your own...

a little blurb on the judiciary...
"""""Mary and Bob Schindler Sr., her parents, consulted a St. Petersburg attorney about removing Michael Schiavo as their daughter’s guardian and discussed the case at length with him.

Unfortunately, the Schindlers did not have the amount of money the attorney demanded as a retainer to take the case.

That attorney then became the judge in the case-----a totally prohibited conflict of interest.

Thereafter, the attorney-judge approved the hiring of George Felos(known right to death advocate) as the attorney for Schiavo to be paid from the trust fund and the stage was set..

The judge wasn’t George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial Circuit of Florida.

It was Sixth Circuit Court Judge Mark I. Shames.......

i`ll try and get back with shames stuff...

rememberlil` fella....i`m not a right to life guy....but i believe that there are issues that aren`t being reported here...

"""

....and the judicial decision,based on clear and convincing evidence(lol), solely on testimony given by mr schiavo and his brothers,that terri`s wish were to die....no documentation....nada......

would this heresay hold up in a death penalty case?.... don`t hold your breath...

....now,the refusal to have an autopsy after terri`s death...and his insistence that she be immediately cremated....

 

[djv]

GW if all true you would think some judge someplace out of the 10 or15 that have said go away. Would not one have said wait a minute. Or why doesn't Jeb go in with the state patrol and take over till resolved by a independent court. Some how the stories just thicken. All I know is it's dam sad. And everyone better get your paper workup to date. If this was in state of New York or Wisky. This would not be happening unless it was in writing. Here say is no good there.
One thing for sure the feds don't belong in it.

 

[StevieD]

GW, the FCC remark was tongue in cheek. I said why are they not going after the media, including Hannitty, who have set up shop in this most private and sacred of places. So you can get off of that horse.
Bush, the President, got himself involved in this when he flew in from his vaction to sign this emergency legislation. That is considered by most to be a grandstand play because first off there was no reason for him to fly accross country and second because it was a piece of useless legislation.
Jeb Bush has been involved with case for years. Sorry if I mention them where they need mentioning. Interesting how I get attacked for mentioning Bush, in a case where he signed legislation which is in direct conflict with legislation he signed as Gov. of Texas but I have not heard you, or AR, or Dawgs jump on DTB for bringing Clinton into it.
My question is the same as any reasonable thinking person would ask, if your blogger is correct why has this never been brought out in the 24 different cases by at least 19 different judges who have reviewed this case?

 

[gardenweasel]

this is a must read for anyone following this thread...

this is a must read for anyone following this thread...

guys....the judges you are speaking of have ruled on greer`s ruling....the constitutionality of his decision...

they haven`t seen all the facts or taken a "denovo" review of the issue as congress requested in their legislation... they haven`t looked at the case "with new eyes"....

have they reviewed the constitutionality of his decision...yes....

have they taken a fresh look at the facts..as though the case were never litigated?.....no

another interesting tidbit is that the law in florida in 1997 ...when mr schiavo started pushing to have the tube withdrawn....did not consider a feeding tube artificial life support...

after the schindlers discussed their potential case at length with then "atty shames"(see previous thread) and wanted to hire him to represent them to remove the guardianship of their daughter from michael schiavo(they couldn`t afford him), shames announced his candidacy for sixth circuit court judge......upon being elected, shames was assigned the guardianship case of schindler v. schiavo..... and shames failed to disqualify himself as required..........

.

"""The Florida Code of Judicial Conduct dictates that a judge is mandated to disqualify himself in a proceeding in which he has personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding and if the judge has served as a lawyer (""or been consulted"") in the matter in controversy."""....which he was by the schiavo`s...



then with jurisdiction over the case,he assigned george felos as michael schiavo`s attorney....the same felos that was chairman of the board of directors of suncoast of florida hospies...the same board that o.k.`ed the shuffling around of terri so that the tube could eventually be pulled...

the schindlers challenged the 1997 removal of terry`s feeding tube...and won...because the feeding tube wasn`t considered an artificial measure to sustain life...

Rep. Gus Bilikaris was a member of that committee----and a member of the board of directors at Hospice of Florida Suncoast with Felos---and a campaign contributor to george w. greer and atty(now judge) shames.....

he and other campaign contributors helped sponsor a bill that passed in april 1999...(bill 2131...signed by jeb bush...there you go stevie....i said his name..lol) to change the definition of "life prolonging procedures" to add "including artificially provided sustenance and hydration which sustains, restores or supplants a spontaneous vital function.".....

now they can pull the tube....

and btw.....shames o.k.`ed a $500,000 atty fee bill for pelos.....out of the settlement earmarked for ms schiavo`s rehab.....lmao...

everybody sing...""he gets by with a little help from his friends""...

"""""
Four months later, the Schiavo/Felos petition to remove the gastric feeding tube of Terri Schiavo went to trial without jury----to be solely decided by Judge Greer(love that...no impediments here)..... On Feb. 11, 2000, Greer signed the order authorizing Michael Schiavo to remove Terri’s assisted feeding, ruling that Michael Schiavo’s self-serving hearsay testimony, prohibited under law, constituted ...""clear and convincing evidence that Terri Schiavo would not want to live. """"...that`s laugh out loud funny...

"" In April, 2000, without court approval or knowledge of the Schindlers, Terri Schiavo was moved to Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Par(you go atty pelos...lol), operated by Hospice of Florida Suncoast, without the proper certification. .....

Although the certificate was signed by the hospice medical director who was under direct administration of Felos as board chairman, Dr. Victor Gambone, her attending physician at the time, did not sign the certificate of need as mandated by federal law..... He has since testified under oath that she was healthy and that Terri was moved to the hospice not on his orders, but rather those of Michael Schiavo."""""

and the rest is history.....

makes a guy proud to be an american....

nothing strange going on here....the jersey goombas are pikers compared to this group of educated slicksters...

the courts policing themselves is akin to an "in-house" investiigation by the police dept.....

 

[StevieD]

"he and other campaign contributors helped sponsor a bill that passed in april 1999...(bill 2131...signed by jeb bush...there you go stevie....i said his name..lol)"

Be careful the self appointed Bush Police will be out inforce to slap you and your post! Oh the humanity! or is it oh Sean Hannitty! LOL!

I find it hard to believe that after all these years and publicity and judges and lawyers and politicians, even the Supreme Court of the United States, that what your blogger is publishing is accurate. I do not doubt your sincerity or your passion but I think with so many learnerd people looking into this for so many years it would be very hard for the State of Florida to kill this woman because her husband wants her dead.

 

[gardenweasel]

well,mr stevie,i`ve said my peace...

appreciate the discussion....

the husband is a cad,imo...as is the judicial system...my opinion....

i`m all for euthanasia...if it didn`t take an agonizingly long 2 weeks worth of family suffering and morphine drips despite being painless...the needle....for the innocent as well as the guilty...

if you are going to deny sustenance,via tube and/or by mouth,you might as well use the compassionate needle...because that`s a death sentence...

you can`t sustain life anally....well,at least i don`t think so...we may have to channel liberace for a definitive answer on that one...

and if the family could reach a consensus...and if money,as it always is, wasn`t a factor...

keep an eye out for some settlement/life insurance info to show up after terri dies..

on those hated blogs..

no hard feelings...see ya,my liberal bunky...

 

[AR182]

husband promises to make autopsy public....

husband promises to make autopsy public....

Tuesday, March 29, 2005

By Maeve Reston, Post-Gazette National Bureau

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. -- As Terri Schiavo's medical condition worsened in her 11th day without food or water, the lawyer for her husband, Michael Schiavo, said his client has asked the chief medical examiner for Pinellas County to perform an autopsy on Schiavo after her death to give the public full knowledge of the extent her brain damage.

The move, which also may be intended to dispel the allegations by Michael Schiavo's opponents that his wife has not received proper care under his guardianship, were yet another signal that Schiavo is very near the end of her life.

George Felos, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, said after visiting Schiavo yesterday afternoon that he believed her death was near. He and hospice officials said she has received two 5 milligram doses of morphine since her feeding and hydration tube was removed on March 18, but that those very small doses were administered by hospice nurses who noticed "slight moaning, facial grimacing and tensing of [her] arms."

Felos tried to make it clear that the morphine was not intended to hasten her death, contrary to rumors circulating among protesters outside Schiavo's hospice in Pinellas Park.

Felos said it was possible that Schiavo "might die momentarily," noting that changes in a patient's body chemistry after being removed from life support could lead to cardiac arrest. "But her breathing is not labored. Her skin tone is fine. It doesn't appear from at least me seeing her [that] her death is imminent."

Terri Schiavo's family members, who have fought since 2000 to overrule Michael Schiavo's decision to remove his severely brain-damaged wife from life support, told reporters yesterday that Schiavo was still trying to communicate with them and had not yet slipped out of consciousness.

"Terri was wide awake and very responsive," said Schiavo's sister, Suzanne Vitadamo after an afternoon visit. "She's weaker but she's still trying to talk. ... She's fighting.

"She's struggling, and does this sound like somebody that wants to die? I don't think so."

Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago after her brain was deprived of oxygen due to a potassium imbalance that some doctors believe resulted from an eating disorder. She has lived for the past 15 years in what doctors describe as a "persistent vegetative state."

Most of the doctors who have examined her have found that her brain is damaged to the extent that she has no ability to communicate.

Her physicians have determined that her movements and the sounds she makes are "reflexive" and not in response to events around her.

Michael Schiavo decided to take his wife off life support after accepting her doctors' diagnosis that she would never recover. He has said his wife told him she would not want to live in that state. Schiavo's parents' efforts to take over her care and to keep her alive have failed at every level of the state and federal courts.

Representatives for the family continued to pressure Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to take Schiavo into state custody, but Bush made it clear again yesterday morning after a public event that he will obey court orders barring him from doing so.

Efforts by a small group of the family's advocates in Washington yesterday to pressure Republican members of Congress to intervene also were unsuccessful.

The Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition and one of the most vocal advocates for Schiavo's parents, met with staff members from the offices of Republican House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert and the House Government Affairs Committee asking them to enforce subpoenas for Michael and Terri Schiavo to appear before Congress -- a last attempt to keep her alive.

The House Government Reform Committee issued subpoenas on March 18 for the Schiavos, as well as for some hospice staff, to appear before Congress on March 25 in her Pinellas Park hospice room.

But after the judge went forward with the order, and after Schiavo's parents lost their case again in the federal courts this past week, the House Reform Committee postponed the hearing indefinitely.

In Washington yesterday, about a dozen protesters gathered at noon in rain-soaked Lafayette Park directly across the street from the White House.

 

[djv]

I see her old man turn down a million to turn her over to her parents. Good thing he did or you would here how he was in it for the money. I also see he and the parents lived together to provide for her over 3 years. Then when hope was said to be gone all this chit started. Dam this has to be hard for her parents.
Will we ever know the whole truth. Each side of course has there own version. God Bless Her.

 

[gardenweasel]

djv....you amaze me...are you really this dense?....

i`m sorry to be unkind,but,if schiavo publicly accepted money to turn her over to her parents,even his most hardcore defenders would have to label him a monster...and it would totally discredit him and all his court testimony....

he would be o.j. times 10...

he had his first girlfriend a year and a half after the incident...

and started pushing to pull the plug soon after the settlement was awarded....

what do you think this was all about...why do you think so many people are crying foul?...

are you for real?...or are you just pulling everybody`s leg?

he`ll sit back and collect whatever`s left of the settlement and any life insurance that` available...life insurance that his attorney refuses to discuss...and will not confirm or deny exists....

that tell you something?...

 

[Nosigar]

GW, don't waste your breath. These neo-commies will support any action or statement that comes from their masters. They will lie blatantly, censure any opposing form of speech and try to ridicule others while basing themselves on the word of the law. They will always be guilty of that which they accuse their opponents of, they always do that chit.
They politicize these things and then point the finger at 4 or 5 so called "right wing" wacko's to make their case more credible. Remember, everything is taken to the minimum expression, or the most minority or least applicable.

The more of this destructive mentality we see the greater will be the backlash. Some folks are waking up to the reality of these "zombie-makers" and hopefully someone in government will do so also one day.

Let this woman rest in peace and be another example of the intent of the "centrists" to weaken our society so they can try to take over. The more they do, the worse they look. But it's gonna get worse before it gets any better.
:soapbox:

 

[gardenweasel]

djv...i`m sorry for jumping down your throat...maybe with so much info swirling around regarding this case,you weren`t aware of the chronology.....i`m sure you`re a good guy..i like you.....and i`m not a mean spirited fellow...

i`m done on this issue...i`m sure that will make some happy....lol....

this one just really stunk to me....and i lost my temper a few times...apologies..... i just wanted to get some stuff out there that isn`t necessarily within public access without a little effort...

g.l.,guys...