Scott McClellan is he a liar to?
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Of course there's really nothing new in any of this, but a couple of things really stand out as interesting to me. None of the republican/Bush insiders from the present or the past have said one thing that I have seen nor heard to dispute anything in the book. Wouldn't that be the first thing to do, if he was actually lying or stating, um, mis-statements? The fact is, he is only telling us first hand the truth, which some of us have suspected all along, about this war, and this administration. And they just stammer about this not being the Scott they all knew. Not that he is wrong, not that his facts are incorrect. So, what does that tell us?
Second, the fact that Carl Rove is the Faux lead commentator on this is the dictionary description of ironic. He, of all people, is living proof of everything he is being critical of McClellan about. For those of us who feel Rove and Cheney are the architects of the Bush administration, it is poetic to hear Rove painting such a black kettle with every comment.
There is a real story here, if anyone really cares. It is someone who has been with Bush for a long time, telling specifics on what are some pretty serious issues. At best, the administration has operated at an embarrassingly wrong, or naive, level. And at worst, they have been fraudulently deceitful, and should be held accountable for millions of deaths and billions of taxpayer dollars.
And so it goes. Nothing new to those who don't have to try to defend.
Second, the fact that Carl Rove is the Faux lead commentator on this is the dictionary description of ironic. He, of all people, is living proof of everything he is being critical of McClellan about. For those of us who feel Rove and Cheney are the architects of the Bush administration, it is poetic to hear Rove painting such a black kettle with every comment.
There is a real story here, if anyone really cares. It is someone who has been with Bush for a long time, telling specifics on what are some pretty serious issues. At best, the administration has operated at an embarrassingly wrong, or naive, level. And at worst, they have been fraudulently deceitful, and should be held accountable for millions of deaths and billions of taxpayer dollars.
And so it goes. Nothing new to those who don't have to try to defend.
How the "Liberal" media gives this guy a job is amazing. Hopefully, we can put an end to all the Liberal Media bull crap the Corporate Media feeds us. It is time we take our country back!
It's funny how Rove's name keeps coming up. I wonder if he knows when more chit comes out and it will. He is the fall guy for all of them Bush, Chenney Rummy & Rice. I wonder how he can't see that. Or if he's just that big of crook and does not care.
How long will we have to wait before someone with some inside access will come out and dispute the "facts according to Scott?"
Thats alrready happening. Of course the Press claims Scott is wrong. This guy will be discredited just like every one who spoke against the Invasion of Iraq.
lol- I commented at least 4 or 5 times back in the day on how that guy looked liked death warmed over, scared and alarmed while answering questions on behalf of this admin. Contrasted with Tony Snow or even Ari Fleischer, this dude was a basketcase.
I guess he's getting it out of his system now.
I guess he's getting it out of his system now.
This has to be the 20th time I posted the following statement pver the seven years since I've had the priviledge of being a member here at Madjacks. Each time I post this statement, the truth of it rings truer and truer.
This administration is the most corrupt, treasonous, and dangerous administration in my lifetime and possibly in the history of the United States. It has led this country to its ultimate demise under the guise of patriotism, monotheism, and racism. God damn George Bush.
Eddie
This administration is the most corrupt, treasonous, and dangerous administration in my lifetime and possibly in the history of the United States. It has led this country to its ultimate demise under the guise of patriotism, monotheism, and racism. God damn George Bush.
Eddie
You might as well post it another 20 times because there are a few in here that have a tough time digesting it. Roves name seems to be popping up a lot just like most sane people new it should. A guy like Weasel will say it is all in our minds. Its like dealing with the Simpson jury
Mondoweiss
May 29, 2008
McClellan May Be the Everyman That Breaks the Neocon's Back
One of the pleasures of watching Scott McClellan is his sheer ordinariness. In the era of West Wing, the meritocracy, and the "overclass" (my new favorite expression, thank you Samuel Freedman), McClellan is an ordinary Joe. He's pudgy and not all that smart. He's also genuine and honest and likeable. His great achievement already is taking a truth well-known to us pointy-heads on the internet, that the war was waged not for WMD but for "ideology," and bringing it home. Paul Wolfowitz admitted as much in Vanity Fair years ago. Glenn Kessler and George Packer and Richard Clarke stated as much in their books. Walt and Mearsheimer showed us the intellectual scaffolding.
I was always amazed that Americans had tolerated that great hoodwinking. But all those guys are intellectuals writing in the end about policy. Comes now McClellan, an ordinary guy who has a noble reason for his betrayal, and we all want to hear his story. That personal tale is bringing the point home in a simple affecting way. For a good story is more compelling than any investigation (let alone any great theory; check this one out). At long last, the chickens are coming home to roost. Before long the networks will be doing features on the neoconservatives, and the president and reporters that loved them. Next stop, the Hague.
Posted at 08:31 PM in Books, Iraq, Neocons |
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Phil, I wish you were right.
But the bloviating and warmongering of countless Hadleys, Kagans, Podhoretzs, Krystols, Sabans, Abelsons, Abrams, Ledeens, Feiths, Boltons, Horowitzs, Cheneys, (Wolfy and Perle have done their part for eretz yisrael), Bushes, McCains, Clintons, and other usefull idiots, don't give me any confidence that America will begin to make correct geo-political moves in the Middle East.
Wrong moves, such as destroying sovereign functioning countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Palestine, are essentially radical communist theology following in the footsteps of Cambodia's Pol Pot. Destroy in order to create a New Society.
Yesterday's communist sympathisers (Jews), are todays neoconservative warmongers (Jews).
Posted by: cogit8 | May 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
sorry, I forgot to include Iran in the above list....
Posted by: cogit8 | May 29, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I see the MSM has not been playing up McClellan's assertion that they were "complicit enablers" in the Iraq fraud. And that is one of the book's most damning criticisms.
Posted by: Michael Blaine | May 30, 2008 at 05:55 AM
It was amusing to see the Bush loyalists rush out to attack McClellan, all armed with their identical talking points [all parroting the Party Line, like in the days of TASS and PRAVDA].
They were "sad", the book was "puzzling", it "didn't sound like Scott" and, oh by the way, he was just a low level drone who was out of the loop, anyway. And his nasty book is proof he is "disgruntled".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BC05D90C-3A87-432B-B135-6ADBA4DFB37E.htm
Posted by: cogit8 | May 30, 2008 at 09:03 PM
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondowei...he-everyman-that-breaks-the-neocons-back.html
May 29, 2008
McClellan May Be the Everyman That Breaks the Neocon's Back
One of the pleasures of watching Scott McClellan is his sheer ordinariness. In the era of West Wing, the meritocracy, and the "overclass" (my new favorite expression, thank you Samuel Freedman), McClellan is an ordinary Joe. He's pudgy and not all that smart. He's also genuine and honest and likeable. His great achievement already is taking a truth well-known to us pointy-heads on the internet, that the war was waged not for WMD but for "ideology," and bringing it home. Paul Wolfowitz admitted as much in Vanity Fair years ago. Glenn Kessler and George Packer and Richard Clarke stated as much in their books. Walt and Mearsheimer showed us the intellectual scaffolding.
I was always amazed that Americans had tolerated that great hoodwinking. But all those guys are intellectuals writing in the end about policy. Comes now McClellan, an ordinary guy who has a noble reason for his betrayal, and we all want to hear his story. That personal tale is bringing the point home in a simple affecting way. For a good story is more compelling than any investigation (let alone any great theory; check this one out). At long last, the chickens are coming home to roost. Before long the networks will be doing features on the neoconservatives, and the president and reporters that loved them. Next stop, the Hague.
Posted at 08:31 PM in Books, Iraq, Neocons |
Comments
Phil, I wish you were right.
But the bloviating and warmongering of countless Hadleys, Kagans, Podhoretzs, Krystols, Sabans, Abelsons, Abrams, Ledeens, Feiths, Boltons, Horowitzs, Cheneys, (Wolfy and Perle have done their part for eretz yisrael), Bushes, McCains, Clintons, and other usefull idiots, don't give me any confidence that America will begin to make correct geo-political moves in the Middle East.
Wrong moves, such as destroying sovereign functioning countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Palestine, are essentially radical communist theology following in the footsteps of Cambodia's Pol Pot. Destroy in order to create a New Society.
Yesterday's communist sympathisers (Jews), are todays neoconservative warmongers (Jews).
Posted by: cogit8 | May 29, 2008 at 11:26 PM
sorry, I forgot to include Iran in the above list....
Posted by: cogit8 | May 29, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I see the MSM has not been playing up McClellan's assertion that they were "complicit enablers" in the Iraq fraud. And that is one of the book's most damning criticisms.
Posted by: Michael Blaine | May 30, 2008 at 05:55 AM
It was amusing to see the Bush loyalists rush out to attack McClellan, all armed with their identical talking points [all parroting the Party Line, like in the days of TASS and PRAVDA].
They were "sad", the book was "puzzling", it "didn't sound like Scott" and, oh by the way, he was just a low level drone who was out of the loop, anyway. And his nasty book is proof he is "disgruntled".
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/BC05D90C-3A87-432B-B135-6ADBA4DFB37E.htm
Posted by: cogit8 | May 30, 2008 at 09:03 PM
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondowei...he-everyman-that-breaks-the-neocons-back.html
CNN/MSNBC reporter: Corporate executives forced pro-Bush, pro-war narrative
Jessica Yellin -- currently a CNN correspondent who covered the White House for ABC News and MSNBC in 2002 and 2003 -- was on with Anderson Cooper last night discussing Scott McClellan's book, and made one of the most significant admissions heard on television in quite some time:
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the press corps dropped the ball at the beginning. When the lead-up to the war began, the press corps was under enormous pressure from corporate executives, frankly, to make sure that this was a war that was presented in a way that was consistent with the patriotic fever in the nation and the president's high approval ratings.
And my own experience at the White House was that, the higher the president's approval ratings, the more pressure I had from news executives -- and I was not at this network at the time -- but the more pressure I had from news executives to put on positive stories about the president.
I think, over time...
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER: You had pressure from news executives to put on positive stories about the president?
YELLIN: Not in that exact -- they wouldn't say it in that way, but they would edit my pieces. They would push me in different directions. They would turn down stories that were more critical and try to put on pieces that were more positive, yes. That was my experience.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/29/yellin/index.html
Jessica Yellin -- currently a CNN correspondent who covered the White House for ABC News and MSNBC in 2002 and 2003 -- was on with Anderson Cooper last night discussing Scott McClellan's book, and made one of the most significant admissions heard on television in quite some time:
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the press corps dropped the ball at the beginning. When the lead-up to the war began, the press corps was under enormous pressure from corporate executives, frankly, to make sure that this was a war that was presented in a way that was consistent with the patriotic fever in the nation and the president's high approval ratings.
And my own experience at the White House was that, the higher the president's approval ratings, the more pressure I had from news executives -- and I was not at this network at the time -- but the more pressure I had from news executives to put on positive stories about the president.
I think, over time...
(CROSSTALK)
COOPER: You had pressure from news executives to put on positive stories about the president?
YELLIN: Not in that exact -- they wouldn't say it in that way, but they would edit my pieces. They would push me in different directions. They would turn down stories that were more critical and try to put on pieces that were more positive, yes. That was my experience.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/29/yellin/index.html
John Stewart interviews Douglas Feith
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008...obably-dont-understand-the-iraq-war/#comments
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Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11.
Government Insider Magazine says: Bush Authorized 911 Attacks !!!
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly is risking his life, to get this information out to people.
?This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder.? ?Stanley Hilton
Stanley Hilton: ?Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. Cheney was in control of the whole thing.?
Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation.
Bob Dole?s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He?s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims? families signing onto it - it?s a $7 billion lawsuit.
And he is Stanley Hilton.
Don?t you think it is time to do a interview Stanley Hilton on the Daily Show???
by Roger May 27th at 1:49PM
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008...obably-dont-understand-the-iraq-war/#comments
comment
Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11.
Government Insider Magazine says: Bush Authorized 911 Attacks !!!
Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly is risking his life, to get this information out to people.
?This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder.? ?Stanley Hilton
Stanley Hilton: ?Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. Cheney was in control of the whole thing.?
Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation.
Bob Dole?s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He?s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims? families signing onto it - it?s a $7 billion lawsuit.
And he is Stanley Hilton.
Don?t you think it is time to do a interview Stanley Hilton on the Daily Show???
by Roger May 27th at 1:49PM
How about response from horses mouth--
When the departed Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill co-wrote an unflattering book about his tenure in the Bush administration, the White House spokesman said of the book: "It appears to be more about trying to justify personal views and opinions than it does about looking at the results that we are achieving on behalf of the American people."
And when former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke also published an unflattering book on the Bush White House, the press secretary said: "Why, all of a sudden, if he had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he's raising these grave concerns that he claims he had."
The press spokesman who uttered both those comments about those tell-all books was none other than Scott McClellan, who has now written such a book himself.
Would appear to me the truth follows who's paying him at the time.
--and what say you my friend.
--maybe more interesting than book it self is those behind the publishing--but thats another story.
Eddie, If Jesus himself came back and wrote it on Bush's forehead with a sharpie guys like DTB, and the other neocon apologists, would say he still needs more proof of any wrong doing.
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and God Damn America.
PS . Eddie - at the golf outing, you if you happen to see a rabbit on the course, try to get a closer look. Do me a favor.
KOD
