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wow - it seems i've opened up such a flood of vitriole by suggesting that maybe this guy didn't murder his wife that i'd better take a minute or two to rebut the cogent (and not so cogent) responses.

valuist - you make some interesting points and i will try to respond to each. you take issue out of your percception that the man has not been grieving enough, but what you mean is the guy hasn't been grieving publicly enough to suit you. i mean, do you really know what the guy has been doing when the tv cameras are not on him? maybe that has something to do with the fact that, as you said, he disappears for long periods of time. as for money, hey, i have memberships in three different exclusive golf clubs and i can tell you that if i went several months without any income i would feel the pinch. and no, there isn't anyone in my family that could take over financial responsibilty for my monthly bills. besides, if my pregnant wife showed up missing and was presumed dead, i don't think i'd want to go home to the same house and sleep in the same bed either. and blood in his car? geez, the lady was pregnant, so you know they have her blood type and other factors. if the blood in his car matched up in any conceivable way i guarantee this guy would be in jail with no bond.


as far as the police taking their time to build a case - it ain't happening in my opinion. the only way now this case gets solved is either they find the body and it produces forensic evidence, or someone with firsthand knowledge gives the killer up. and besides, if the killer actually turns out to be someone else, they'd better hope they turn up a stone cold lock against the person because they have already compromised any prosecution against anyone else with all the publicity they've generated accusing peterson. and therein lies my problem with the way the police have handled this case. understand that, dispite accusations to the contrary, i have never suggested this guy is actually innocent, only that ther is no evidence at this point that would stand up in a court of law to suggest that he is guilty. the husband is always the number one suspect when his wife is murdered or disappears, but that doesn't mean that he should be the only focus of the investigation. if the cops were smart, they would have laid low and done everything they could to keep the accusations against peterson out of the media, and maybe, if he is guilty, he would have gotten a false sense of security after awhile and done something stupid to give himself up. at this point you can pretty much forget about that tact.

this is merely a case that appeals to the media. the woman is white and pretty, the family well to do and lives some kind of californian middle class utopia. cruise over to l.a. and you'll find a thousand open files like this that involve black, hispanic, or just plain poor families. they just aren't making the six o'clock news.

man, you really want to diss me with the oj comparison? i mean - please. oj was linked to the death of his wife by a boatload of forensic and other evidence (not all of it presented at trial btw). the story from that case is the utter and completely incompetent job done by the prosecution. i promise you i could have prosecuted that case while working crossword puzzles during the trial and had a guilty verdict in less than a month. vincent bugliosi, the charlie manson lead prosecutor, wrote an excellent book on the sublject, well worth the read.

scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system. and just how is that? been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.
 

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scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system. and just how is that? been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.

now that's also a definite contender for post of the year - even in February :toast: :clap: dance2 :spotting:
 

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Loophole-

I don't know how long the DNA testing takes but I'm guessing that's what the police are waiting for. As for Scott Peterson's actions, I did watch the MSNBC interview with Laci Peterson's mother, brother and sister. All contact with Scott has been initiated by them. He has done nothing to help or to cooperate. Like the brother said, "its like he doesn't care. He's completely ambivalent." What was really telling was when the mother was asked about her son in law. She swallowed hard and you could see her face twitch; she clearly was suppressing strong anger. She said she talked to her son in law last Saturday. When asked by Donahue what was said, she said she couldn't comment.

Yeah, its true we can't get a murder conviction on circumstantial evidence. And there is mountains of circumstantial evidence in this case.

As for our criminal justice system, there's no doubt its biased to benefit the criminals.
 

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valuist - i get dna results in far lesser cases all the time in two or three weeks. in a high profile case like this the wait would be a matter of days. in the matter of peterson not doing anything to help, i seem to recall reports of him being all over the place passing out flyers, going to rallys, meeting with pi's (that he paid for), etc. and it' not that you can't prosecute and convict on circumstantial evidence alone. it happens every day, even in murder cases, even without a body.

you sound very jaded about the criminal justice system. it has many serious shortcomings, but probably not how you would guess. let me toss a few numbers at you. firstly, out of all criminal prosecutions brought by the state, well over 90% of them are disposed of by some kind of guilty plea. out of the 10% or less that go to trial, most districts maintain a conviction rate of at least 80% or better. it ain't that easy to go against the resources of the state. while it's true that the best (say top 20%) of defense lawyers do much better conviction-wise, the cases they try amount to a miniscule portion of the overall number. compare that with numbers that are pretty solidly established reveal that somewhere around 5% of the guys on death row are innocent of the crime that they're going to die for. and i don't mean innocent in some esoteric technical sense, i mean they snagged the wrong dude. for those in prison for stretches over a year the number goes up to over 10%. truth is, the system is set up to grind up poor people whether they're guily or not. people that kind afford to pay my fees or the fees of my peers do better than most; those that can't for the most part get swept away. if you ever get the time, you ought to find out where the major felony court is where you live, and take a day off and go give a look. you might be surprised at what you see.
 

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loop-a question

loop-a question

i read that someone claimed that warren sapp was the father of her child....i also read that TWO dna tests were done and that one said he was and one indicated that he wasn`t....how`s that?.....i keep hearing about guys being released from prison based on old dna evidence....and that it`s foolproof....how do you get conflicting paternity dna results?.......thanks in advance....and by the way....an enjoyable debate....wasn`t really awaare of the discussion part of the forum....i`ve enjoyed reading the different points of view.....
 

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Remember the guy who was thought to be the prime suspect in the Olympic bombing in Atlanta in 93? After seeing how the media convicted him prior to any official findings I am willing to give this guy what he deserves....innocence until proven guilty.

How long until camp opens? I can't take too much more France bashing and specualtion about this murder case on this great forum.
 

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gardenweasel - first off, dna test can only conclusively exclude someone from paternity. in basic terms, if the child has a dna characteristic that is not present in the mother or the reputed father, it must have come from someone else and the reputed father is eliminated. for those not exclude, paternity is expressed in terms of a %. here's where it kinda goes offf into pseudoscience with the way the numbers are expressed, but for the most part they can peg it over 99% probability. if two dna tests got different results, that is to say one excluded paternity and one found over 99% probability of paternity, someone screwed up one of the tests and they need to go back and look at both samples again. both test results could not be replicated under proper controls.
 

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thanks

thanks

i may have not had the article pegged verbatim,but that was the gist of what was written.....i wish i could remember where i read it....whatever.....i appreciate the explanation...
 

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loophole said:

scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system. and just how is that? been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.

Loophole, that ain't fair!! how is Scott supposed to respond to you if you keep using all those big words!! ;)
 

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loophole said:
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been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.

Loopy

Thanks for your response. Uh you spelled assiduously incorrectly. I don't mind you using big words as long as you spell them right. I just hope you know the meaning (steadily attentive) as it would serve you well with all that lawyer experience. Also derogatory is mis-spelled. Didn't they teach spelling at Harvard ?

Did I mention that I am being considered for a Supreme Court appointment. Eddie Haskell is working behind the scenes on it.
You see on a message forum anyone can say anything about their past achievements and work history. It don't make you any more of a idiot than me actually.

You still didn't respond to what a sloth you are for laughing off the police using the sonar entrapment with Peterson.

You have called me worse in the past so what goes around comes around. You should consider trying to help OJ find the real killer. Hey maybe the same person did the Peterson lady in. You could kill two birds with one stone so to speak.


Hope that helps


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Gardenweasel,

My sincerest apologies for my post after yours. When I was writing it, it was right after I had read Scott's intellectual fact filled case that had me in a rage. After I had clicked on the submit message button, I saw your post had already made it on there... so it looked as if I were writing it towards you. Which I was not. I don't argue your mindset much and agree that we both probably share the same baseline opinions. I think we just both go off in different directions from the same road most of the time. Lots of times on debatable topics I get rather incensed (Scott, that means mad/angry) and things don't type out the way the little voices in my head speak to me.
I very VERY much agree with the ridiculous jury's decisions on punitive awards and things like that in recent past. Hell, just not too long ago two jurors filled a 6 gajillion dollar lawsuit against 60 minutes for libel because they ran a story on juries that gave away too much money. Pardon me while I still ponder that thought and if they really can prove their case... what jury in their right mind is going to award that 60 ga jillion dollars??

anyway, its bedtime and I am tired and still have a tummy ache from ALPO
 

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scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system.

LMFAO :lol: :lol:
 

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loophole said:
wow -

scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system. and just how is that? been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.
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:lol: This has to be the best response Ive read on here so far:lol:
 

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loophole said:

and scott-atlanta, a criminal justice system whereby one is arrested without probable cause and held until he proves himself innocent is the format that was used by communist states, the star chamber, and before them, the inquisition. our systen presumes innocence and requires the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. i prefer things that way.



Loophole

I agree with you of course. I am just saying that this bastid is guilty and maybe if we go and and get Scott Peterson and string him up by his feet for a few hours then he would tell us what happened to his wife. Then when he told us we could put him in jail and execute him pronto.

Well at least that is what I surmise Colin Powell would say about it given half a chance.

And as the great Charles Barkley once said.... If I was elected Governor I would not have death row.... I would have death day.
Everyone on death row bye bye. Decrease the tax burden and we could pay for wars. Or maybe we could have a death row dirty dozen and send them to Iraq to find Saddam .



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Scott,

Thanks for all the laughs. I mean seriously... it just now hit me, its midnight, i am awake and surfin the net and just hangin loose and it ****ing hit me right between the eyes.

Reading a lot of your posts I always had a hard time determining if you were right wing or left wing or which side of the line you stood.

Ten minutes ago I finally realized you have no f*cking clue where the line even is and you are walking cirlces listening to the multiple wise voices telling you where to go.

I salute you, not only for wandering aimlessly through life, but for having the fortitude to keep on chugging along no matter what odds stand in your way.

Congrats - You have hit rock bottom and yet continue to dig.
I tip my hat to you

:toast:
 

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Jhpga said:
loophole said:
wow -

scott-atlanta - i went back to reread your post in order to respond to the points you made, and then i realized that you didn't make any points, but instead just called me stupid for suggesting there might be a chance the guy is innocent. you say you know all about the criminal justice system. and just how is that? been spending all your free time watching matlock reruns? i've spent twenty five years as a prosecutor, public defender and defense attorney. i've tried over 350 jury trials and represented literally thousands of defendants. trust me i can tell from your posts that you wouldn't know about the criminal justice system if it bit you in the ass.

you know, i've been posting at madjack's since the inception of this forum, i would think credibly most of the time. i have assiduosly avoided making derrogatory personal remarks in most cases, but scott, i'll make an exception for you. you are clearly the village idiot of the madjack forum. you're good for a few laughs from time to time, but when the laughing's done, you're still an idiot.
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:lol: This has to be the best response Ive read on here so far:lol:

Thanks Jphga for your support.


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marine said:
Scott,

Thanks for all the laughs. I mean seriously... it just now hit me, its midnight, i am awake and surfin the net and just hangin loose and it ****ing hit me right between the eyes.

Reading a lot of your posts I always had a hard time determining if you were right wing or left wing or which side of the line you stood.

Ten minutes ago I finally realized you have no f*cking clue where the line even is and you are walking cirlces listening to the multiple wise voices telling you where to go.

I salute you, not only for wandering aimlessly through life, but for having the fortitude to keep on chugging along no matter what odds stand in your way.

Congrats - You have hit rock bottom and yet continue to dig.
I tip my hat to you

:toast:

Thank you for finally getting it marine. wow are you ever slow.

I would also say that I do march to my own drummer and I am a leader not a coattailer well sometimes I am not.

I know that if I had gone to war I would probably been shot in the back of the head by friendly fire. Just my luck.

:argue: ..........:argue: ............:argue:

I salute you.:thefinger

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It is sad but the real crux to this whole matter is that this
Scott Peterson can't look his wifes family in the eyes. Thats how they know that he did it..

Think about it. Your wife is killed and you cant go over and see your mother in law ? You cant grieve with them over what happened and what your going through. Your wife is dead .

I dont think he prefers to be around them. They probably give him a cold stare kind of a thing. But if he didnt do anything what has he got to worry about ? Oh yeh. We all know he did do it.

The family knows he did it. You can see the pain of it, in their faces.

Its just a sad state of affairs.


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For that matter, why don't they just throw YOU in jail and make you prove you didn't do it.

Arrest him and make him prove he's innocent. My word. :rolleyes:

Shrimpy

Because I am not married to the woman. Duh.



Hope that helps


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Just because he does not want to be with her family does not make him guilty. We all grieve differently.

Hell, look at it, he was out fishing while his pregnant wife was at home and she disappeared. EVEN IF was NOT the one who did it, you think he might feel a bit resposnible and sorry for not being there for her? Hell, I couldnt look my wife's family in the eye and say "yea while I was up fishing enjoying myself she got kidnapped."

Maybe someone kidnapped her that wanted a baby. that happens quite often these days. Infertile couples steal someone who is close to delivering... lock her up, wait for her to have the kid, and then most likely dump her off at the bottom of a rocky gulley or ravine somewhere and raise the kid as their own.

It happens. But the media wants us to believe that he did it, so that is what they tell us.
 
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