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this is very disturbing.


By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Flight crews and air marshals say Middle Eastern men are staking out airports, probing security measures and conducting test runs aboard airplanes for a terrorist attack.
At least two midflight incidents have involved numerous men of Middle Eastern descent behaving in what one pilot called "stereotypical" behavior of an organized attempt to attack a plane.

"No doubt these are dry runs for a terrorist attack," an air marshal said.
Pilots and air marshals who asked to remain anonymous told The Washington Times that surveillance by terrorists is rampant, using different probing methods.
"It's happening, and it's a sad state of affairs," a pilot said.
A June 29 incident aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles is similar to a Feb. 15 incident on American Airlines Flight 1732 from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport.
The Northwest flight involved 14 Syrian men and the American Airlines flight involved six men of Middle Eastern descent.
"I've never been in a situation where I have felt that afraid," said Annie Jacobsen, a business and finance feature writer for the online magazine Women's Wall Street who was aboard the Northwest flight.
The men were seated throughout the plane pretending to be strangers. Once airborne, they began congregating in groups of two or three, stood nearly the entire flight, and consecutively filed in and out of bathrooms at different intervals, raising concern among passengers and flight attendants, Mrs. Jacobsen said.
One man took a McDonald's bag into the bathroom, then passed it off to another passenger upon returning to his seat. When the pilot announced the plane was cleared for landing and to fasten seat belts, seven men jumped up in unison and went to different bathrooms.
Her account was confirmed by David Adams, spokesman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS), who said officers were on board and checked the bathrooms several times during the flight, but nothing was found.
"The FAMS never broke their cover, but monitored" the activity, Mr. Adams said. "Given the facts, they had no legal basis to take an enforcement action. But there was enough of a suspicious nature for the FAMS, passengers and crew to take notice."
A January FBI memo says suicide terrorists are plotting to hijack trans-Atlantic planes by smuggling "ready-to-build" bomb kits past airport security, and later assembling the explosives in aircraft bathrooms.
On many overseas flights, airlines have issued rules prohibiting loitering near the lavatory.
"After seeing 14 Middle Eastern men board separately (six together and eight individually) and then act as a group, watching their unusual glances, observing their bizarre bathroom activities, watching them congregate in small groups, knowing that the flight attendants and the pilots were seriously concerned and now knowing that federal air marshals were on board, I was officially terrified," Mrs. Jacobsen said.
"One by one, they went into the two lavatories, each spending about four minutes inside. Right in front of us, two men stood up against the emergency exit door, waiting for the lavatory to become available. The men spoke in Arabic among themselves ... one of the men took his camera into the lavatory. Another took his cell phone. Again, no one approached the men. Not one of the flight attendants asked them to sit down."
In an interview yesterday with The Washington Times, Mrs. Jacobsen said she was surprised to learn afterward that flight attendants are not trained to handle terrorist attacks or the situation that happened on her flight.
"I absolutely empathize with the flight attendants. They are acting with no clear protocol," she said.
Other passengers were distraught and one woman was even crying as the events unfolded.
The plane was met by officials from the FBI, Los Angeles Police Department, Federal Air Marshal Service and Transportation Security Administration. The Syrians, who were traveling on one-way tickets, were taken into custody.
The men, who were not on terrorist watch lists, were released, although their information and fingerprints were added to a database. The group had been hired as musicians to play at a casino, and the booking, hotel accommodations and return flight to New York from Long Beach, Calif., also checked out, Mr. Adams said.
"We don't know if it was a dry run, that's why we are working together with intelligence and investigative agencies to help protect the homeland," he said.
Mrs. Jacobsen, however, is skeptical the 14 passengers were innocent musicians.
"If 19 terrorists can learn to fly airplanes into buildings, couldn't 14 terrorists learn to play instruments?" she asked in the article.
The pilot confirmed Mrs. Jacobsen's experience was "terribly alike" what flight attendants reported on the San Juan flight.
He said there is "widespread knowledge" among crew members these probes are taking place.
A Middle Eastern passenger attempted to videotape out the window as the plane taxied on takeoff and, when told by a flight attendant it was not permitted, "gave her a mean look and stopped taping," said a written report of the San Juan incident by a flight attendant.
The group of six men sat near one another, pretended to be strangers, but after careful observation from flight attendants, it was apparent "all six knew each other," the report said.
"They were very careful when we were in their area to seem separate and pretended to be sleeping, but when we were out of the twilight area, they were watching and communicating," the report said.
The men made several trips to the bathroom and congregated in that area, and were told at least twice by a flight attendant to return to their seats. The suspicious behavior was relayed to airline officials in midflight and additional background checks were conducted.
A second pilot said that, on one of his recent flights, an air marshal forced his way into the lavatory at the front of his plane after a man of Middle Eastern descent locked himself in for a long period.
The marshal found the mirror had been removed and the man was attempting to break through the wall. The cockpit was on the other side.
The second pilot said terrorists are "absolutely" testing security.
"There is a great degree of concern in the airline industry that not only are these dry runs for a terrorist attack, but that there is absolutely no defense capabilities on a vast majority of airlines," the second pilot said.
Dawn Deeks, spokeswoman for the Association of Flight Attendants, said there is no "central clearinghouse" for them to learn of suspicious incidents, and flight crews are not told how issues are resolved.
She said a flight attendant reported that a passenger was using a telephoto lens to take sequential photos of the cockpit door.
The passenger was stopped, and the incident, which happened two months ago, was reported to officials. But when the attendant checked back last week on the outcome, she was told her report had been lost.
Recent incidents at the Minneapolis-St. Paul international airport have also alarmed flight crews. Earlier this month, a passenger from Syria was taken into custody while carrying anti-American materials and a note suggesting he intended to commit a public suicide.
A third pilot reported watching a man of Middle Eastern descent at the same airport using binoculars to get airplane tail numbers and writing the numbers in a notebook to correspond with flight numbers.
"It's a probe. They are probing us," said a second air marshal, who confirmed that Middle Eastern men try to flush out marshals by rushing the cockpit and stopping suddenly.
 

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Sounds like blatant abuse of Patiot Act and Racial profiling to me :)

I have an idea several passengers on these planes may have had a change of heart in their opinion.

Hopefully such or future occurances won't be necessary for wake up call on reality.
 

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What I like is the air Marshall's on-board. You can spot them like a used car salesman.
I would think since they know were watching the airlnes. They may just do it a easier way. We tell them everday how open our borders are. How un-guarded many of our nuke plants and chemical areas are. Just sitting there waiting.
 
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That first article about the Northwest flight was determined to be 90% fabrication on the part of the author. This was extensively covered on Snopes.com, the national news and several blogs.

Origins: The "Terror in the Skies, Again?" article written by Annie Jacobsen and published on WomensWallStreet.com, in which she details her experience with passengers (whom she viewed as terrorists) on a 29 June 2004 flight from Detroit to Los Angeles, caused quite a stir, to say the least. That article contained a good deal of supposition, and a follow-up article, identified as an "Opinion Piece," didn't offer much to validate author's assumptions.

As things turned out, although the events Ms. Jacobsen claims to have witnessed on her flight did occur (more or less), her interpretation of them (that they involved a group of terrrorists making a dry run for building a bomb in-flight) was erroneous. The men she observed on her flight were exactly what authorities told her they were: a group of Syrian musicians who had been hired to play at the Sycuan Casino & Resort near San Diego. Like any other group of passengers, the men in musical ensemble talked to each other, moved around, ate food, and used the restrooms while the flight was in progress.

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Annie Jacobsen's recent piece for WomensWallStreet.Com made waves. Her account of flying with her family while 14 Middle Eastern passengers acted in a threatening and apparently coordinated manner makes for a terrifying read. Her article captures her sickening sense of both uncertainty and inevitability as what might possibly have been the next 9/11 unfolded around her.

Fortunately, nothing of the sort happened. On June 29, Northwest Airlines Flight 327 landed safely in Los Angeles and a phalanx of law enforcement greeted the suspicious passengers, whisking them away for some intense interviews. Jacobsen noted a pile of Syrian passports in the hand of a law-enforcement official.

But the men checked out, and Jacobsen was told that they were "hired as musicians to play at a casino in the desert." She was not told the name of the band, nor the name of the casino. And as her story made the rounds through the Internet and beyond (the Dallas Morning News printed a condensed version earlier this week), a note of skepticism about her story crept in. Had she imagined the whole thing? Or was the government covering up a "dry run" for another terrorist attack?

Columnist and blogger Michelle Malkin confirmed some of the details of Jacobsen's story with the Federal Air Marshal's service, but the identity of the band remained the subject of much speculation. For a while the blogosphere settled on a Syrian band called Kulna Sawa as a likely candidate, but the gents at Powerline received a note from that group's tour manager explaining the band was still in Syria when all this happened. Even the mainstream media began to notice the story: New York Times reporter Joe Sharkey confirmed some of the details of the story today but admitted he, too, was unable to identify the band.

Well, I am nominally the "news director" for Stanford University's student radio station, KZSU, and I figured I'd help the Times out. There aren't that many casinos in southern California, so I had my research assistant, Mr. Google, take a look at some. An hour later I was talking to the nice folks at Sycuan Casino & Resort, near San Diego. Unlike most casinos where it's all Elvis impersonators, Paul Anka, and Linda Ronstadt ? oh, wait, scratch that last one ? Sycuan books the occasional "ethnic music" show, too. In August, for example, they'll have a Vietnamese night.

"Oh, do you mean Arab music?" inquired Angie, who answered Sycuan's phone. Yes, they had had an Arab act perform on July 1, an artist named Nour Mehana. Terry, Angie's supervisor at Sycuan, confirmed that he was there and that there was probably a backup band brought in, since there's no house band at Sycuan. In fractions of a second, Mr. Google found a website for Sycuan's event promoters, Anthem Artists, whose archive confirms Nour Mehana performed at Sycuan on 7/01/04.

And then I noticed something that was truly terrifying, something linking Nour Mehana to a figure of such repulsive evil that I felt a rush of prickly fear not unlike Jacobsen's: Just one week later, the same company that arranged Mehana's performance, also booked Carrot Top!

I talked to James Cullen of Anthem Artists who confirms that Nour Mehana's large band did arrive on Northwest Flight 327. Some of them came in from Detroit, and some from Lebanon. Cullen says they never said anything about a disturbance on the flight to him, even though "I stayed in the same hotel, they were nice, they stayed right above me." He said that they were fine musicians, put on a great show, and he would work with them again in the future.

Cullen did receive a follow-up e-mail from the Department of Homeland Security, asking him to confirm that the band had played their gig at Sycuan. He had read Jacobsen's article and concluded that some "people are just paranoid." A pilot himself, Cullen insisted that the patterns Jacobsen perceived wouldn't occur to him. "We should take pride in our system. We've got to trust our system." (Cullen made it clear that he opposes "this crazy Bush Iraq war sh*t," but it is important to bear in mind that Cullen also admitted to booking Carrot Top.)

Nour Mehana (a.k.a. Noor Mehanna, or Nour Mhanna, plus various permutations of those spellings) is, in fact, Syrian. He performs both "new-agey" hits and old sentimental Middle Eastern classics in a style called Tarab. In this catchy ten-minute video of Mehana on stage, (scroll down; the name is rendered Noor Mhanan this time ) you can see he has a rather large backup band helping him out. (The resolution is low, but Jacobsen might recognize some of the band members Mehanna is interacting with.) Followers of news from Iraq may have heard about the U.S. tour of the "Iraqi Elvis." Well, Mehana comes across not as an angry jihadi, but rather more like the Syrian Wayne Newton.

Anyway, this is good news. Nour Mehana's band might have acted like jerks on the plane, but it appears safe to say they were not casing Northwest Airlines for a suicidal assault, and we can quit worrying about this being a "dry run" or an aborted attack. And if Jacobsen was wondering why one man in a dark suit and sunglasses sat in first class while everyone else flew coach, well, it seems pretty clear that this was the Big Mehana himself.

Which is definitely not the same as saying Jacobsen was wrong to worry. The proven existence of this band confirms one of the last details of her story, and her story confirms some of our worst fears about airline security. The mindset of passengers, of the crew, and even of the law-enforcement personnel (Jacobsen said a flight attendant reassured her husband by pointing out that air marshals were on the flight), and decision makers higher up the ladder was reactive, not proactive.

Now, by that I certainly don't mean that the interceptors should have scrambled or the passengers should have started swinging Chardonnay bottles as soon as the oud player took too long in the john. But evidently no one even engaged these guys in a conversation, and no one, not the flight crew, and not the air marshals, challenged their egregious violations of protocols about congregating near restrooms or standing up in unison as the plane started its descent. Nothing was done to alleviate the terror Jacobsen, and probably a lot of the other passengers, felt.

Liberals will likely decry the suspicion and interrogation the musicians faced on Flight 327. And the principled Right will regret that that was necessary. If the band's English wasn't very good they might not have understood the instructions. But a polite word and some helpful gestures earlier on, rather than a guilty PC silence, might have saved them some embarrassment. In any case, the police-state parallels fade quickly: In a real police state, like, oh, Syria, you are not even allowed inside the country with an Israeli stamp in your passport.

June 29 was no ordinary day in the skies. That day, Department of Homeland Security officials issued an "unusually specific internal warning," urging customs officials to watch out for Pakistanis with physical signs of rough training in the al Qaeda training camps. The warning specifically mentioned Detroit and Los Angeles's LAX airports, the origin and terminus of NWA flight 327.

That means that our air-traffic system was expecting trouble. But rather than land the plane in Las Vegas or Omaha, it was allowed to continue on to Los Angeles without interruption, as if everything were hunky-dory on board. It certainly wasn't. If this had been the real thing, and the musicians had instead been terrorists, nothing was stopping them from taking control of the plane or assembling a bomb in the restroom. Given the information they were working with at the time, almost everyone should have reacted differently than they did.

Jacobsen's fear was quite natural under these circumstances, and she has done us a service by pointing out some egregious shortfalls in our airline security. Danke Schoen, Darling. Let's hope the right people are listening.
 

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just for the record, dogs, no patriot act needed here. surveilling, detaining and questioning any of these guys would certainingly be allowed under coventional law, and it wouldn't amount to racial profiling. racial profiling occurs when police single out someone using race when race is not a characteristic that legitimately should lead to suspicion. in this instance, there clearly is a threat of middle eastern origin, involving air travel and coordinated efforts aboard commercial airliners. forget questioning, if any of these guys turn out to have connections to known terrorists groups, they'll probably be arrested and charged with conspiracy or some similiar offense.


dogs, did you know that theres a provision in the patriot act that permits authorities, in some cases, to surrepticiously enter homes, businesses, or other places, without prior court approval, and look around, read papers, make photocopies, copy computer files, and then surrepticiously exit, without leaving any sign that they entered. would be interested to hear your take on that.
 

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You beat me to it, loop. This has nothing to do with the 'Patriot Act'. Just like when certain people equate 9/11 with Iraq and then go on trying to make some point.
 

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Thanks for info loop. I wouldn't like it, also ,and I might be incorrect, I do not like idea of entering my house without warrant. It would seem they could have 24/7 judge on duty to expedite anything that needed immediate attention.
Not that I would have anything hide,if they knocked on door and asked without warrant I'd let them check whatever--where I see a problem is if they bust in to search and A: leave place in shambles or B: do not clarify who they are and someone gets shot.
---in addition am totally against confiscating money or auto's even on drug related charges in effect prior to Patriot Act as it leads to some serious abuses.
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You got a point Matt
 
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dogs, they can't break in, bust things up, or take anything that's there. thy're permitted to secretly enter, copy anything, and then secretly leave, so you never know they were there.
 

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are there any instances that can cited of this happening....i`d be interested in hearing about them....

also,could you cite the particular section of the act that states this....

interesting stuff..


thanks..

and btw...anybody that thinks that the 9/11 attacks were done "off the cuff" without extensive preparation is underestimating the capability of these terrorists.... ....i can`t even imagine that an operation of this magnitude could be accomplished without a dry run or two....

why is that so hard to believe?....to believe anything else seems unrealistic.....imo...
 
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gw,

hope you didn't get the impression i thought there might be some doubt as to whether terrorists are casing commercial jetliners. i be stunned if they were not. only point was that patriot act is not a legal necessity for dealing with this; there are plenty of other laws on the books that serve effectively to combat this.


here's a synopsis of the act:

http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21203.pdf

what i was refering to is the "sneak and peek" provision of the law. now, don't let me decieve you into believing that i some sort of authority on the subject, because i am not. i've read most of it, as well as read some analyses of it, but i have never had occasion to deal with it professionally. as i understand sneak and peek, authorities need only certify to a judge that they need to snoop on a person who they suspect of being connected to terrorism. once they do so, the special judge must authorize it - that is to say, he cannot reject the application. there need be no evidentiary showing, or showing of probable cause.

here's a link that discusses some of the provisions:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087984


remember the lawyer from washington state that was arrested and alleged to have some terrorist connection, only to be released and exonerated a couple of months later? if i'm not mistaken, i think he was arrested based on some info gathered in a sneak and peek operation. must admit that i'm not sure though.
 

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I would guess as secrete as they can be we would not know, who, what, and where for sure.
 

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that wasn`t directed at you,loop.....just the patriot act questions....

i`ve read some of it....anybody that reads this thing from cover to cover is a much better man than myself....i`ll peruse the act again and try and pin the section you`re referring to down....

i guess my point is that fears regarding the patriot act need to be based on some reality, not mere supposition...not worst case scenarios and scare tactics....that`s all...

i don`t recall seeing much regarding citizens rights being abused by the act....but i agree that there should be a continuing review to to maintain it`s intended use.....

my opinion is pretty well documented....protect me....do what you must...lol

btw,loop......i hope my running battles with edward....my somewhat harsh opinion of the legal profession doesn`t skew your perception of me....i admit to not being a huge fan of the system....but,much of my commentary with edward was to meant to get a rise out of him...or in response to a classic eddie haskell bomb throwing rant....don`t get me wrong...i enjoyed eddie`s schtick....and wasn`t offended...as some were...

your posts have always been measured,well thought out and respectful.....
 

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no offense taken, gardenweasel. i take it you read my response to someone else in another thread with regards to lawyer bashing. i have no problem with criticisms of the shortcomings of the court system or lawyer abuses - hell, i do a fair amount of criticising both. it's when some others go to the point of defaming the character of anyone who ever earned a law degree that i start to bristle. a difference of opinion never hurt my feelings - open discussion is the virtue that has made this country the greatest democracy in history. i never trusted anyone that agreed with me about everything.
 

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Thanks for links on PatrioT act Loop. Was interesting.
Looks like a two edged sword.Always possibilty of abuse by feds and worse part is once something is put on books its hard to have it removed.Will say Ashcroft is one my least fav politicians,but in this day and time I think I would rather error on the side of possibilty of some ones rights being erroneously infringed on than let one terror cell slip thru and kill thousands.Just my opinion--but granted it does leave door open for abuse which I am not fond of either.
 

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interesting you bring this up, I just got this email today - orwellianism @ it's finest

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TSA Registered Traveler Program
Thursday, July 22, 2004
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Dear

Continental Airlines is pleased to announce that our Houston hub, Bush Intercontinental Airport, has been selected to participate in the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) Registered Traveler pilot program.

For a 90-day test period, Approved Registered Travelers will be able to use a designated security checkpoint lane to provide biometric
information (both a finger print and iris image) to confirm identity. Through its participation in the pilot, Continental continues to work with the TSA to gather information which will allow us to implement new ways to make travel more efficient - especially for our most frequent flyers.

You have been chosen among a select group of OnePass members to participate in the pilot. Enrollment is limited to the first 2,000 registrants and will take place July 28-30 and August 2-3, 2004. As a participant, you will be required to submit certain personal information to the TSA to be used exclusively for the purpose of determining your eligibility as a participant in the test program.

If you are interested in enrolling, print and complete this form, and
bring it along with the other required documents listed below to the mezzanine level at Bush Intercontinental Airport, Terminal C.


- Enrollment will take place July 28-30 and August 2-3, 2004 from
5:00am to 8:00pm.
- Complete the Registered Traveler Enrollment form and bring it to the airport enrollment.
- Bring two forms of government identification such as a driver's
license, US passport, etc. At least one form of identification must have a photo.
- This invitation to participate is non-transferable.
- Upon your arrival, the TSA representatives will administer and
explain the security threat assessment and biometric identifier process.
- The TSA will provide you with information on acceptance into the
program and how to use your status at the airport.
- Additional data may be requested at time of enrollment.
- For more details and to access the Registered Traveler Fact Sheet,
visit the TSA web site.

- Further questions or information concerning the security assessment
may be obtained on the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Privacy
Officer?s web site.


Thanks for your consideration to participate in this test of new TSA
technology.

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loop....

"as i understand sneak and peek, authorities need only certify to a judge that they need to snoop on a person who they suspect of being connected to terrorism. once they do so, the special judge must authorize it - that is to say, he cannot reject the application. there need be no evidentiary showing, or showing of probable cause""".

the way i understand it is that the authority involved would have to show some cause or reason for a judge to give the o.k. to surveil or investigate....it`s not necessarily a rubber stamp situation....you`d have to believe all these judges are crooked or bought and paid for...or both...


and given the climate surrounding the patriot act....the civil libertarians ready to pounce on the first signs of abuse,i think these situations will be rigorously scrutinized.....The Civil Liberties Restoration Act of 2004 being pushed by ted kennedy hanging over their heads.......

many prominent democrats seem willing to give the act a chance....including john edwards...

"I just think we have to continue to monitor it very closely because of the broad powers we gave in that act, which I supported. I think we have to stay on top of it and make sure there are no abuses,” he said.


“I think we’re in a very difficult time where our national security is threatened,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). “I think before people rush to judgment on the Patriot Act we ought to have a substantial period of time to let it sort itself out.”


Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) characterized the administration’s use of the act as “so far, so good,” adding: “I think by the time it got through Congress, it was a balanced act, making us more secure, but at the same time not going overboard, and I think it’s working pretty well.”

we`ll see.....time will tell...

certainly not a good time to play fast and loose with the letter of the law....

everyone is watching.....
 

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gardenweasel,

here's a blurb concerning the process of applying to a judge that i was referring to:



The law before and how it changed: Previously the government needed at least a warrant and probable cause to access private records. The Fourth Amendment, Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, and case law provided that if the state wished to search you, it needed to show probable cause that a crime had been committed and to obtain a warrant from a neutral judge. Under FISA?the 1978 act authorizing warrantless surveillance so long as the primary purpose was to obtain foreign intelligence information?that was somewhat eroded, but there remained judicial oversight. And under FISA, records could be sought only "for purposes of conducting foreign intelligence" and the target "linked to foreign espionage" and an "agent of a foreign power." Now the FBI needs only to certify to a FISA judge?(no need for evidence or probable cause) that the search protects against terrorism. The judge has no authority to reject this application. DOJ calls this "seeking a court order," but it's much closer to a rubber stamp. Also, now the target of a search needn't be a terror suspect herself, so long as the government's purpose is "an authorized investigation ... to protect against international terrorism."
 

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On: Thu July, 22 2004 @ 15:11 GMT
The American Border Patrol, an independent group that is concerned with the security on our borders, claims to have successfully brought a fake weapon of mass destruction across the Mexican-American border near Arizona without being detected.

original news source:

www.azcentral.com
Associated Press
Jul. 22, 2004 08:44 AM

TUCSON - A border watch group claims it successfully sneaked into the United States carrying a fake weapon of mass destruction.

American Border Patrol spokesman Glenn Spencer told the Arizona Daily Star the test was intended to show how easy it would be for terrorists to sneak deadly weapons across the border.


This is quite a shock. With the measures supposedly taken by the Department of Homeland Security to help make America safer by taking away freedoms of citizens, it appears to have completely neglected taking freedoms away from non-citizens by protecting our borders.

Is America safer than it was in September of 2001? If something like this can go occur, it may be safer, but not by much.

Related News Links:
kvoa.com
www.fox11az.com
 

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forget mexico, do you have any idea how many miles of unpatroled border we share with canada? it's already the preferred route of loads of drug smugglers.
 
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