Does anyone have a feel for the total in this game? I am leaning towards the over but am not sure.
Thanks for all the help
Thanks for all the help
Sd/la O/u
- Thread starter pwine
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Well, my measly $0.01 is a gut feeling for the over too.
Ishii is overdue for a bad one, and isn't usually as good against teams that have seen him before.
but the HP ump has been very kind to both pitchers in past, and the trends are the other way.. from covers:
The under is 10-3-3 in the past 16 meetings.
The under is 6-0 in Ishii's last six starts.
The Dodgers are 3-11 in their last 14 overall.
The under is 10-2-2 in SD's last 14 games overall.
The under is 5-1 in Jones' last six starts.
The under is 32-17 when the wind is 0-10 mph.
....so gotta ponder it all..............
Ishii is overdue for a bad one, and isn't usually as good against teams that have seen him before.
but the HP ump has been very kind to both pitchers in past, and the trends are the other way.. from covers:
The under is 10-3-3 in the past 16 meetings.
The under is 6-0 in Ishii's last six starts.
The Dodgers are 3-11 in their last 14 overall.
The under is 10-2-2 in SD's last 14 games overall.
The under is 5-1 in Jones' last six starts.
The under is 32-17 when the wind is 0-10 mph.
....so gotta ponder it all..............
kind of reminds me with everyone going UNDER in the red sox game because of Tanyon's numbers. i know the under may be the play, but my gut says over.
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Expanded Pitching Match-UP's For July 24,2002
05:05 PM Los Angeles at San Diego Back to MATCH-UPs
Name 2002 Season Road/Home Last Start Last 3 App(2002)
GS W-L ERA TM W-L ERA TM DATE OPP LINE DEC IP H ER RES W-L ERA H-9ip BB-9ip SO-9ip TM
(L) K Ishii 19 12-5 3.31 12-7 6-2 4.18 6-3 07/19 vs sfo -140 ND 6 3 2 L 1-1 2.29 4.12 6.41 7.32 1-2
(R) B Jones 13 6-5 4.73 8-5 4-3 2.91 5-3 07/19 vs ari 120 W 7 9 1 W 2-1 1.74 10.89 0.87 3.48 2-1
(L) K Ishii (R) B Jones
2002 Results Summary
Statistic All Away Last 7
Games Started... 19 9 7
Quality Starts... 16 7 5
Current Streak... Lost 1 Lost 2 Lost 1
W/L Record... 12 - 5 6 - 2 2 - 4
Team W/L Record... 12 - 7 6 - 3 2 - 5
Under/Over/Push... 11-8-0 5-4-0 6-1-0
$Money... $ +235 $ +265 $ -515
(R.O.I.)... +8.70% +24.54% -47.03%
KEY Statistics
(E.R.A.)... 3.31 4.18 3.60
(W.H.I.P.)... 1.50 1.65 1.63
Hits Per 9IP... 7.64 9.23 8.10
BB Per 9IP... 5.90 5.57 6.53
SO Per 9IP... 8.58 8.88 8.10
HR Per 9IP... 0.79 0.70 1.13
SO to BB Ratio... 1.45 1.59 1.24
RUN Support
Runs... 4.84 5.78 2.29
Hits... 9.00 10.56 6.43
AVG... .268 .299 .197
(L) K Ishii
Last 7 Games.....Expanded Game LOG
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
7-19 vs sfo K Rueter -140 7.5 2-3 L-U ND 6 3 2 6 4
7-14 vs ari M Batista -160 7.0 2-1 W-U W 7.2 2 0 5 5
7-04 at stl T Smith -130 9.0 2-3 L-U L 6 4 3 3 7
6-29 at ana A Sele -115 9.5 0-7 L-U L 3.2 9 3 3 2
6-24 vs col M Hampton -210 8.0 1-4 L-U L 7 7 1 4 6
6-19 vs tor J Miller -220 7.5 5-2 W-U W 6.2 4 2 4 9
6-14 vs ana Ra Ortiz -120 7.5 4-8 L-O L 3 7 5 4 3
2002 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-12 at sdg K Jarvis 110 8.5 3-0 W-U W 6 2 0 3 5
SUPER Quality Starts
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-28 at chn J Cruz PK 7.5 5-4 W-O W 7 3 1 3 8
A SUPER Quality Start is as follows:
Innings Pitched of 7 or Higher
Hits Allowed of 6 or Less
Earned Runs of 2 or Less
Walks of 3 or Less
2001 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
NO Games in 2001 vs Opponent
2002 Results Summary
Statistic All HOME Last 7
Games Started... 13 8 7
Quality Starts... 11 8 6
Current Streak... Won 1 Won 1 Won 1
W/L Record... 6 - 5 4 - 3 3 - 3
Team W/L Record... 8 - 5 5 - 3 4 - 3
Under/Over/Push... 9-4-0 8-0-0 5-2-0
$Money... $ +520 $ +275 $ +270
(R.O.I.)... +39.25% +33.74% +37.76%
KEY Statistics
(E.R.A.)... 4.73 2.91 4.17
(W.H.I.P.)... 1.37 1.22 1.30
Hits Per 9IP... 10.27 9.23 10.13
BB Per 9IP... 2.08 1.71 1.59
SO Per 9IP... 4.38 4.61 3.57
HR Per 9IP... 1.38 1.37 1.19
SO to BB Ratio... 2.11 2.70 2.25
RUN Support
Runs... 4.00 3.25 4.00
Hits... 8.85 7.75 9.57
AVG... .262 .240 .276
(R) B Jones
Last 7 Games.....Expanded Game LOG
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
7-19 vs ari M Batista 120 8.5 6-1 W-U W 7 9 1 0 3
7-14 vs stl B Smith PK 8.5 1-4 L-U L 7 11 2 0 2
6-15 vs sea R Soriano 155 8.5 3-1 W-U W 6.2 5 1 2 3
6-09 at tam P Wilson -110 8.5 9-6 W-O W 5.2 8 6 3 3
6-04 vs sfo K Rueter 140 8.0 1-3 L-U L 7 4 3 1 3
5-30 vs col D Neagle 110 8.5 2-4 L-U L 7 7 4 2 4
5-12 at atl T Glavine 200 8.0 6-5 W-O ND 5 7 4 0 0
2002 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-20 at los O Perez 140 8.5 1-4 L-U L 7 8 3 0 3
SUPER Quality Starts
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
NO SUPER Quality Starts for 2002
A SUPER Quality Start is as follows:
Innings Pitched of 7 or Higher
Hits Allowed of 6 or Less
Earned Runs of 2 or Less
Walks of 3 or Less
2001 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
10-03 vs los E Gagne PK 8.5 5-12 L-O L 2.2 7 3 3 0
7-01 vs los K Brown 155 8.0 0-8 L-P L 5.1 7 5 2 3
4-22 at los D Dreifort 160 8.0 7-6 W-O ND 7 6 3 1 5
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Expanded Pitching Match-UP's For July 24,2002
05:05 PM Los Angeles at San Diego Back to MATCH-UPs
Name 2002 Season Road/Home Last Start Last 3 App(2002)
GS W-L ERA TM W-L ERA TM DATE OPP LINE DEC IP H ER RES W-L ERA H-9ip BB-9ip SO-9ip TM
(L) K Ishii 19 12-5 3.31 12-7 6-2 4.18 6-3 07/19 vs sfo -140 ND 6 3 2 L 1-1 2.29 4.12 6.41 7.32 1-2
(R) B Jones 13 6-5 4.73 8-5 4-3 2.91 5-3 07/19 vs ari 120 W 7 9 1 W 2-1 1.74 10.89 0.87 3.48 2-1
(L) K Ishii (R) B Jones
2002 Results Summary
Statistic All Away Last 7
Games Started... 19 9 7
Quality Starts... 16 7 5
Current Streak... Lost 1 Lost 2 Lost 1
W/L Record... 12 - 5 6 - 2 2 - 4
Team W/L Record... 12 - 7 6 - 3 2 - 5
Under/Over/Push... 11-8-0 5-4-0 6-1-0
$Money... $ +235 $ +265 $ -515
(R.O.I.)... +8.70% +24.54% -47.03%
KEY Statistics
(E.R.A.)... 3.31 4.18 3.60
(W.H.I.P.)... 1.50 1.65 1.63
Hits Per 9IP... 7.64 9.23 8.10
BB Per 9IP... 5.90 5.57 6.53
SO Per 9IP... 8.58 8.88 8.10
HR Per 9IP... 0.79 0.70 1.13
SO to BB Ratio... 1.45 1.59 1.24
RUN Support
Runs... 4.84 5.78 2.29
Hits... 9.00 10.56 6.43
AVG... .268 .299 .197
(L) K Ishii
Last 7 Games.....Expanded Game LOG
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
7-19 vs sfo K Rueter -140 7.5 2-3 L-U ND 6 3 2 6 4
7-14 vs ari M Batista -160 7.0 2-1 W-U W 7.2 2 0 5 5
7-04 at stl T Smith -130 9.0 2-3 L-U L 6 4 3 3 7
6-29 at ana A Sele -115 9.5 0-7 L-U L 3.2 9 3 3 2
6-24 vs col M Hampton -210 8.0 1-4 L-U L 7 7 1 4 6
6-19 vs tor J Miller -220 7.5 5-2 W-U W 6.2 4 2 4 9
6-14 vs ana Ra Ortiz -120 7.5 4-8 L-O L 3 7 5 4 3
2002 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-12 at sdg K Jarvis 110 8.5 3-0 W-U W 6 2 0 3 5
SUPER Quality Starts
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-28 at chn J Cruz PK 7.5 5-4 W-O W 7 3 1 3 8
A SUPER Quality Start is as follows:
Innings Pitched of 7 or Higher
Hits Allowed of 6 or Less
Earned Runs of 2 or Less
Walks of 3 or Less
2001 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
NO Games in 2001 vs Opponent
2002 Results Summary
Statistic All HOME Last 7
Games Started... 13 8 7
Quality Starts... 11 8 6
Current Streak... Won 1 Won 1 Won 1
W/L Record... 6 - 5 4 - 3 3 - 3
Team W/L Record... 8 - 5 5 - 3 4 - 3
Under/Over/Push... 9-4-0 8-0-0 5-2-0
$Money... $ +520 $ +275 $ +270
(R.O.I.)... +39.25% +33.74% +37.76%
KEY Statistics
(E.R.A.)... 4.73 2.91 4.17
(W.H.I.P.)... 1.37 1.22 1.30
Hits Per 9IP... 10.27 9.23 10.13
BB Per 9IP... 2.08 1.71 1.59
SO Per 9IP... 4.38 4.61 3.57
HR Per 9IP... 1.38 1.37 1.19
SO to BB Ratio... 2.11 2.70 2.25
RUN Support
Runs... 4.00 3.25 4.00
Hits... 8.85 7.75 9.57
AVG... .262 .240 .276
(R) B Jones
Last 7 Games.....Expanded Game LOG
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
7-19 vs ari M Batista 120 8.5 6-1 W-U W 7 9 1 0 3
7-14 vs stl B Smith PK 8.5 1-4 L-U L 7 11 2 0 2
6-15 vs sea R Soriano 155 8.5 3-1 W-U W 6.2 5 1 2 3
6-09 at tam P Wilson -110 8.5 9-6 W-O W 5.2 8 6 3 3
6-04 vs sfo K Rueter 140 8.0 1-3 L-U L 7 4 3 1 3
5-30 vs col D Neagle 110 8.5 2-4 L-U L 7 7 4 2 4
5-12 at atl T Glavine 200 8.0 6-5 W-O ND 5 7 4 0 0
2002 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
4-20 at los O Perez 140 8.5 1-4 L-U L 7 8 3 0 3
SUPER Quality Starts
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
NO SUPER Quality Starts for 2002
A SUPER Quality Start is as follows:
Innings Pitched of 7 or Higher
Hits Allowed of 6 or Less
Earned Runs of 2 or Less
Walks of 3 or Less
2001 vs Opponent
Date Opp Opp-Pit Line OU SC RES D IP H ER BB SO
10-03 vs los E Gagne PK 8.5 5-12 L-O L 2.2 7 3 3 0
7-01 vs los K Brown 155 8.0 0-8 L-P L 5.1 7 5 2 3
4-22 at los D Dreifort 160 8.0 7-6 W-O ND 7 6 3 1 5
Thanks guys my gut was telling me to go over as well and to see 2 great cappers on it as well makes it an easy decission.
More times then not when all the numbers seem to point one way it always goes the other way
Good Luck to you
More times then not when all the numbers seem to point one way it always goes the other way
Good Luck to you
2 much under numbers, smells like an over to me
better grab 7 or 7 1/2 im starting to see some 8s out there.
better grab 7 or 7 1/2 im starting to see some 8s out there.
I like the under for several reasons here:
Ishii is pitching his best baseball of the year. He was having control problems and those have seemed to calm down and he feels comfortable on the mound finally he says. My only worry is the Dodgers breaking out agasint Jones which I couyld see happenning.
I m playing LA and the UND But good luck
Ishii is pitching his best baseball of the year. He was having control problems and those have seemed to calm down and he feels comfortable on the mound finally he says. My only worry is the Dodgers breaking out agasint Jones which I couyld see happenning.
I m playing LA and the UND But good luck
Shit. Bases loaded and Cruz pops out 1-0 Need totals MOJO!!
oops. mojo foto did not work! :shrug:
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CHA CHING!!!!!!!!!!!
WHEW!!!! Clinched so hard on that last hit that my butt-checks are killing me. my girl laughed as i got off the couch and it felt like they were asleep!
a win is a win. pwine, you hit??
WHEW!!!! Clinched so hard on that last hit that my butt-checks are killing me. my girl laughed as i got off the couch and it felt like they were asleep!
a win is a win. pwine, you hit??
Think they took the day off. seems like when Ishii goes, they figure they can relax. was going to play them, but just played the OVER. Thanks!
Got the much needed win, great call, it was looking horid for a long time but a win is a win and thanks again for the help.
We all need those games once in a while!
am in the same predicament with the SF/St Louis game. Bottom 8. total runs now is 8. Played the OVER 8.5. you watch, will lose this one and be 1-1 on nail-biter games today.
C'mon!!! 1 more run someone!!!!
am in the same predicament with the SF/St Louis game. Bottom 8. total runs now is 8. Played the OVER 8.5. you watch, will lose this one and be 1-1 on nail-biter games today.
C'mon!!! 1 more run someone!!!!
WHEW!!!!!! THAT WAS CLOSE! BGOLD, GREAT CALL MAN! WOW!!
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