I have no problem admitting that from top to bottom the SEC is usually the best conference in America every year, but looking at the schedule it shows us only one game is outside the South. That is the problem most people have with the SEC. Again, I think the SEC is the best conference, hell they have proven that in the BCS, although I think before this year USC could have beat both of the SEC teams that won the NC, but that is hypothetical. Just my two cents...
SEC OOC schedule on the rise
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I never have understood the whole out of confrence thing and the sec. They play tougher competition week in and week out then anyone else and if they are fortunate enough to win their division they still have to win the conference championship game to have a chance to go to the bcs championship game. Why the hell would they go anywhere
I have to call bull shit here. They do not play tougher competition week in and week out. That is a myth. Look at the 2 divisions. If you are Florida, you have Georgia (always over-rated) and that's about it. Your schedule is a walk in the park now that Tennessee sucks. If you are Alabama, you have LSU and a rivalry game with Auburn. If you have to cross over and play one of the two big boys from the other division, your schedule just got a lot better, but its not happening every year.
East:
Florida and Georgia. Tennessee hasn't been shit in years, the rest are pedestrian at best.
West:
Alabama and LSU. Better middle of the pack teams that sometimes shine (Auburn, Ole Miss) but nothing like what you make it out to be.
There is more than enough room for an out of conference foe that might challenge them. When everyone in the preseason plays patsies and builds there records up, they all look great going into their regular season schedules. Kudos to Bama for scheduling Penn State.
LOL, like the jab attempt toward UGA. Outside of 2 years ago when they were preseason #1 (BTW I posted at that time how they were not the #1 team) I cant see where you are going with this. 9th most wins of any D1 school in the last ten years with a 7-2 bowl record and 2-1 in bcs bowls. I guess you just wanted to take a childish shot at my team but I will obviously disagree.
As to the "myth" as you call it I can only assume that you do not believe as most others do that the SEC is the toughest conference? If the SEC is indeed the toughest conference from top to bottom, and it puts more players in the NFL than all other conferences, then how in the holy hell do the teams not play stiffer compitition week i and week out? Now I havent spoken to you enough to know if you are just an SEC hater but if that is the case then there is no need to take this any further. Based #'s though I cant see where your coming from. The simple fact is that until we get a playoff all this shit is just opinion. You have yours and I have mine, GL and have a good one.
Dude, take the blinders off. Just because it is deemed the best conference doesn't mean they can load up on cupcakes in the pre-season. Did you even read my post about the conference schedules??? They aren't that tough because the best 4 teams are split up into different divisions. Instead of arguing that point, you bring up Georgia's unimpressive decade and the number of players that the SEC sends to the NFL. Face it, the SEC schedules aren't tough enough to get some BS pass on playing teams worth a shit in the pre-season.
Well obviously they are tough enough to get a pass since an SEC school has been in the championship game each of the last 4 years, BTW who won those 4 games
UGA: You're a homer, so you won't get my point. Just look at the schedules and tell me how tough they are.
Sagarins final SOS ratings for 09. 10 of the top 21 are SEC, BTW there are only 12 teams in the league in case you didnt know. Please tell me what the hell I am missing. YOU claim their schedules are not strong yet one of the most respected numbers guy in America says they have 10 out of the top 21 toughest shedules in all the land and 5 of the top 7. So do you know more than Mr. Sagarin or is he just plain wrong? Call me a homer all you want, the numbers speak for themselves.
Final SOS rank
miss st 1
ala 2
scar 4
lsu 5
uga 7
ark 12
fla 15
aub 17
vandy 20
tenn 21
Final SOS rank
miss st 1
ala 2
scar 4
lsu 5
uga 7
ark 12
fla 15
aub 17
vandy 20
tenn 21
I just randomly picked an SEC team and their schedule: Florida.
Charleston Southern (FSN-FL) W 62-3 1-0
Sept. 12, 2009 Troy (SEC-TV) W 56-6 2-0
Sept. 19, 2009 Tennessee (CBS) W 23-13 3-0 (1-0)
Sept. 26, 2009 at Kentucky (ESPN2) W 41-7 4-0 (2-0)
Oct. 10, 2009 at LSU W 13-3 5-0 (3-0)
Oct. 17, 2009 Arkansas (CBS) W 23-20 6-0 (4-0)
Oct. 24, 2009 at Miss. State (ESPN) W 29-19 7-0 (5-0)
Oct. 31, 2009 Georgia (CBS) W 41-17 8-0 (6-0)
Nov. 7, 2009 Vanderbilt (ESPN2) W 27-3 9-0 (7-0)
Nov. 14, 2009 at South Carolina (CBS) W 24-14 10-0 (8-0)
Nov. 21, 2009 Florida Int'l (PPV) W 62-3 11-0
Nov. 28, 2009 Florida State (CBS) W 37-10 12-0
Dec. 5, 2009 at Alabama (CBS) L 32-13 12-1 (8-1)
Jan. 1, 2010 at Cincinnati W 51-24 13-1
Sorry - That's not a very tough schedule: I mean serious - Troy, Charleston Southern, Vanderbilt, Florida International... Cmon'... The SEC is probably the toughest conference in the nation, but it's not like they are playing top 25 teams every week. In fact, looking at Florida's schedule they might have played (including bowl game) three top 25 teams.
Charleston Southern (FSN-FL) W 62-3 1-0
Sept. 12, 2009 Troy (SEC-TV) W 56-6 2-0
Sept. 19, 2009 Tennessee (CBS) W 23-13 3-0 (1-0)
Sept. 26, 2009 at Kentucky (ESPN2) W 41-7 4-0 (2-0)
Oct. 10, 2009 at LSU W 13-3 5-0 (3-0)
Oct. 17, 2009 Arkansas (CBS) W 23-20 6-0 (4-0)
Oct. 24, 2009 at Miss. State (ESPN) W 29-19 7-0 (5-0)
Oct. 31, 2009 Georgia (CBS) W 41-17 8-0 (6-0)
Nov. 7, 2009 Vanderbilt (ESPN2) W 27-3 9-0 (7-0)
Nov. 14, 2009 at South Carolina (CBS) W 24-14 10-0 (8-0)
Nov. 21, 2009 Florida Int'l (PPV) W 62-3 11-0
Nov. 28, 2009 Florida State (CBS) W 37-10 12-0
Dec. 5, 2009 at Alabama (CBS) L 32-13 12-1 (8-1)
Jan. 1, 2010 at Cincinnati W 51-24 13-1
Sorry - That's not a very tough schedule: I mean serious - Troy, Charleston Southern, Vanderbilt, Florida International... Cmon'... The SEC is probably the toughest conference in the nation, but it's not like they are playing top 25 teams every week. In fact, looking at Florida's schedule they might have played (including bowl game) three top 25 teams.
I randomly chose an independent school(BTW whose entire scedule is out of conference) and this is what I found. A school that gets to schedule anyone they want only played 1 top 25 team(and they were 23rd)
Notre Dame 09 schedule
@ Stanford L 38-45 Week 13 W 10 O 63.5
Connecticut L 30-33 x Week 12 L -6 O 57.5
@ Pittsburgh L 22-27 Week 11 W 5.5 U 59
Navy L 21-23 Week 10 L -12 U 55.5
Washington State W 40-14 Week 9 L -28 U 62
Boston College W 20-16 Week 8 L -7.5 U 53
Southern California L 27-34 Week 7 W 10 O 50.5
Washington W 37-30 x Week 5 L -12 O 54.5
@ Purdue W 24-21 Week 4 L -6.5 U 59
Michigan State W 33-30 Week 3 L -10.5 O 53.5
@ Michigan L 34-38 Week 2 L -3 O 46
Nevada W 35-0 Week 1 W -14.5 U 63
Not sure I would be stepping into this thread given the schedule above, but since you did I would love to hear your response to the same question I posed to gmorz, do you know more than Jeff Sagarin or is he just wrong? Also would you and gmorz please post some of the schedules that are harder than the ones you say are soft. Since you two know better than sagarin what makes a tough schedule, I am sure you could give us a list of say 5 schedules outside the SEC that are "real" schedules no? Save your homer stuff and put up some facts if its not to much trouble.
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I randomly chose an independent school(BTW whose entire scedule is out of conference) and this is what I found. A school that gets to schedule anyone they want only played 1 top 25 team(and they were 23rd)
Notre Dame 09 schedule
@ Stanford L 38-45 Week 13 W 10 O 63.5
Connecticut L 30-33 x Week 12 L -6 O 57.5
@ Pittsburgh L 22-27 Week 11 W 5.5 U 59
Navy L 21-23 Week 10 L -12 U 55.5
Washington State W 40-14 Week 9 L -28 U 62
Boston College W 20-16 Week 8 L -7.5 U 53
Southern California L 27-34 Week 7 W 10 O 50.5
Washington W 37-30 x Week 5 L -12 O 54.5
@ Purdue W 24-21 Week 4 L -6.5 U 59
Michigan State W 33-30 Week 3 L -10.5 O 53.5
@ Michigan L 34-38 Week 2 L -3 O 46
Nevada W 35-0 Week 1 W -14.5 U 63
Not sure I would be stepping into this thread given the schedule above, but since you did I would love to hear your response to the same question I posed to gmorz, do you know more than Jeff Sagarin or is he just wrong? Also would you and gmorz please post some of the schedules that are harder than the ones you say are soft. Since you two know better than sagarin what makes a tough schedule, I am sure you could give us a list of say 5 schedules outside the SEC that are "real" schedules no? Save your homer stuff and put up some facts if its not to much trouble.
Wow! I'm not sure how ND was brought into this topic. Trust me, most ND fans are ashamed the administration has dumbed down the schedule. I could care less about Sagarin...Is formula is not pefect. You want facts - Playing Charleston S., Troy, Vanderbilt, Florida Inter., MSU is not that tough, ask any person who watches college football and they will tell you the same. I know SEC fans get insulted when you mention anything negative about their conference, but Florida's schedule was average to weak, bottom line... And before you change the topic again ND sucked last year and it wouldn't matter who was on their schedule.
I brought it up because before the year started a lot of people in "the know" were picking them to do great things and some even picking them to play for it all. They are a major university that has the ability to schedule anyone they want and yet they still dont play anyone. You and gmorz want to make out that sec schedules are not strong even though they have 10 of the 21 toughest SOS's. You want to say the schedules are weak then fine I have no problem with that but please post the strong schedules of teams out there that
you are basing this on. You two continue to call me a homer yet refuse to list examples of what "strong" schedules look like. Waiting.....
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UGA - As I stated a few posts up I think the SEC is the strongest conference in the land from top to bottom. Just be honest - By looking at Florida's schedule do you really think it is that tough?
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but I pulled up the SOS and it shows only two SEC teams were in the top 10...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt09.htm
I personally see six "loseable" games on the schedule. Does that make it a tough schedule, I dont know that is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I do know according to what the BCS uses from sagarin in there equation that only 14 teams in the nation had a tougher schedule than fla. My point this whole time has been that if you want to say that the sec schedules are weak then do everyone a favor and show us some strong ones. gmorz has jumped ship on the thread because he or you cant come up with schedules that are harder, much less 10 out of the top 21. BTW the number in () beside the schedule number is each teams sos rating.
UGA - I'm not saying Florida's schedule is weak, but it's not like they are playing a gauntlet every week. Like you said in a previous post all of this crap could be settled with some kind of playoff.
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