SEC skilz??

[Mr Hockey]

Where was LSU's D against Arizona St.?

ASU had 560 total yards against that GREAT LSU defense. ASU had 461 yards passing against that great pass D of LSU. ASU had 99 yards rushing.

LSU D is fortunate to play in the SEC vs the Pac 10.

Didn't LSU need 2 SPECIAL TEAMS TD's and 40 yard 4th down bomb to beat Arizona St.?

Isn't ASU a 2 loss Pac 10 team in conf. play?

LSU the last 2 years is 2-0 against Pac 10 teams but many would say they needed "fortunate circumstances" to win both games. Oregon St. missing 3 PATS! Isn't Auburn 0-2 against pac 10 the last 3 years?

The lack of sophisticated offenses and poor QB play give off the false impression of "great" defenses. Not to mention coaches playing conservative and running their players into each other all game.

No offense Scott but this is a ridiculous post. LSU had major distractions going into that game. The fact they didn't quit shows their metal.

Do you believe they would put those #'s up again in a regular game with no outside events surrounding it?

 

[volfan]

"But imagine having 4 or 5 games like that Notre Dame one. Physically and emotionally draining"

Kind of like TN playing Fla, LSU, and Bama on the road and GA at home? SC and ND on deck...
EZ to say TEnn sux, and believe me I know they have issues but what team can survive a schedule like that?
They are still in the top 20 in total defense and have allowed only 1 passing TD all year.

 

[dlvlsu]

There goes Scott's brilliance again!! Damn your dumb!! Vanderbilt could average scoring 50+ a game in the Pac 10

 

[Mr Hockey]

Yes, the SEC has a few mediocre teams like Mississippi State, Kentucky for starters.

However what conference has as many high quality teams year in & year out.

Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn

Vanderbilt has shown improvement, SC will get better, & Mississippi is going in the right direction. They have a good coach there.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Yes, the SEC has a few mediocre teams like Mississippi State, Kentucky for starters.

However what conference has as many high quality teams year in & year out.

Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn

Vanderbilt has shown improvement, SC will get better, & Mississippi is going in the right direction. They have a good coach there.

Miss St. and Kentucky MEDIOCRE :mj07: those two schools are terrible.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Volfan, yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. And, there are more goals in college football than winning the nat'l championship, but at the same time, winning it should be on a somewhat even playing field. Its hard enough to go unbeaten. (Isn't it amazing that you have to go unbeaten to win a title). But some conferences have title games and some don't. More unfairness.
Sometimes I think the NCAA just likes all the unfariness and controversy b/c it keeps people talking, and if there talking about it, that leads to them making even more money.
I have to believe that one day my playoff system will be adopted. I wrote to Swofford years ago, but he didn't care for it. He said the BCS was doing its job. Ha, yeah, we get 2 champions most years.

All you need to do is have 8 conferences. Each conference has 12 teams and 2 divisions. Conference championships are essentially the 1st round of a 16-team playoff.
The 8 winners are in the playoffs. Everyone else plays in bowl games. You somehow seed the teams 1-8 and its just like a regular tourney. #1 vs. #8 and so on. The top 4 teams get to play at home. You'd probably have to play the semi-finals at home/away as well, and then you put the championship game in the Rose Bowl, or just rotate it year to year.
All 96 division I teams start out the year knowing if they win their divisioin, then they are basically in the playoffs. There are still bowl games to play for, just like now. What more can fans, players, and coaches possibly ask for?
There would be no chance of having unbeaten teams on the outside looking in. No chance of having a poll decide who's #1. No chance of more than one champion.

I want to make a website, www.boycottthebowls.com or something and put this kind of info on there. I'd also like to somehow get in touch with EA Sports and have them set it up and show how easy it is and how much everyone likes it. I just don't know how to do it.

 

[Scott4USC]

Honestly, I don't know who can beat USC. But imagine having 4 or 5 games like that Notre Dame one. Physically and emotionally draining. A big difference in that compared to resting all the starters half way through the 3rd quarter in most games.
I take nothing away from USC. I'd just like to see if they could do it in a better conference.

USC beat beating themselves against ND. USC was/is 3TD's better. USC dropped 5, count that, 5 wide open passes. You can't do that against ND. USC also gave up a punt return but the officials let 2 ND players get away with penalties on that. Anyways, you can't give up punt return and drop 5 wide open passes on the road against #9 team in the country. Wait there is more. USC had 2 turnovers. You can't have 2 turnovers on the road in hostile environment against the #9 team in the country. Oh yeah, it was a RIVALRY game!

All in all, USC beat themselves and played poorly. USC was fortunate to come out with a win. That is obvious.

If USC drops 5 wide open passes, commits 2 turnovers, and gives up a punt return, on the road in hostile environment, and against top 25 ranked team, USC will lose more times than they win! Hell, USC may lose against an UNRANKED team playing that poorly.

This is what Pete Carroll said in his MMQB meeting.

Now don't get me wrong, ND made mistakes too and they did not play flawless. You can easily overcome mistakes playing at home. You can't on the road. USC played with fire and almost got burned!

No offense Scott but this is a ridiculous post. LSU had major distractions going into that game. The fact they didn't quit shows their metal.

Do you believe they would put those #'s up again in a regular game with no outside events surrounding it?

I don't think the outside events played a big role. I think the players welcomed the game and was good for them. None of the players had family injured or hurt etc. Would LSU have been better prepared if no hurricane? Probably. Would it have made a big difference? I don't think so. Don't forget, the LSU D looked clueless defending the ASU offense. Like they never seen a passing attack before. They had no clue. LSU needed 2 special team TD's and a 40+ yard bomb on 4th down to barely beat ASU.

We'll see next year when LSU plays Arizona St. They will look clueless again.

soul train

Don't you think there is a reason so many SEC defenses are ranked so high nationally? THINK ABOUT IT! :mj03:

what SEC team could beat USC right now? Please

NOBODY! The #1 reason is none of the teams have a clue how to stop a sophisticated passing attack. Yes the SEC is fast and has talented athletes. That is obvious. But the problem is their D is designed to stop other SEC teams who prefer to just run into each other all game and play it close to the vest. USC would easily outscore every SEC team. Don't forget, USC has a good rush D and their weakness is pass D. But all in all, USC has a quality defense. Not the best in the country but I would say above average.

Why do you think Spurrier had so much success in the SEC with his sophisticated passing attack? Think about it. :mj03:

Good Job TJ :clap:
Couple of things you pointed out I agree with strongly.......... only thing missing is the Big 10. They play both sides of the ball, offense and defense, just depends on the team :mj07: But overall, better than both these Aforementioned conferences, JMHO :sadwave:
I dont need another argument Scotty, but come bowl time, we shall see.............. :mj14:

Franky

2 straight years USC played the top team in the Big 10 in BCS bowl games. Iowa was tied for #1 and considered one of the hottest teams in the country. Michigan was #1 and considered one of the hottest teams in the country. Both teams had the best offenses in the Big 10. Both teams were considered to have one of the best offenses in the country! Both teams O was shut down by USC D. Both BCS games USC dominated. Both years USC D had more trouble defending Pac 10 O's vs the #1 O's in the Big 10. Now I will admit that USC used their best blitz packages etc in the BCS games and often was basic vanilla D in most Pac 10 games. But you get the point!


TouchdownJesus

I like your playoff plan. Makes sense and is fair. I think we also would see better OOC games. Maybe some BCS teams/CONF. won't be afraid to play OOC games and TRAVEL! Oh wait, some teams are poor and need home games. Might not improve OOC play but will def. be fair and exciting! Use the BCS to rank the top 8 teams in playoffs and have 1vs 8 etc.

IMO, I would have the BCS rank the top 4 teams and have 4 team playoff. 1vs4 2vs3. #1 and #2 teams get home field (earned it) and have BCS NC game in rotating bowl as we have now. (RB, OB, SB, FB) Have 1st round BCS playoff X-Mas weekend! Huge Huge ratings.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I don't think USC is 3 TD's better than Notre Dame. I will say that the Irish had a perfect set up for the game. Home field. 2 weeks to prepare, etc.
Also, look at the Super Bowl a few years back. Rams/Pats. Rams had possibly the best, most sophisticated offenses in the history of football. But Pats beat them. I think they held them to 16 points. Look at Colts offense last few years. They can't beat the Patriots.
Great defense just has a way of beating great offense.

As for your 4-team playoff. Well, it would be a huge step up and a step in the right direction, but I still don't think its fair enough.
Lets take North Carolina and USC this year. USC starts out #1. Carolina starts out unranked. Thats too big of a head start. Carolina could go 10-1 and still be left out. USC could possibly even go 9-2 and get there.
Basically, theres no margin of error in my system. All you have to do is win your division, and then keep right on winning. There is no opinion factored into it. Its all about wins and losses.

I honestly don't see why it wouldn't work. It would actually make more money than the current system.

The one flaw that I see would be that you have 8 really good teams not involved in the big bowl games. One way around that would be to have the semi-finals played on New Year's Day and that could be the Sugar and Orange, for example. Then have the Rose Bowl (Championship) in mid-January. You could possibly let the 4 first round losers play in bowl consolation games so they would get to travel. Call it the BCS (Bowl Consolation Series). LOL.
Might be hard for the 2 teams in the championship game to get fans to travel for both the semi-final and final games.

But, one way or another, it would easily work and make money. I'm so sick of the current system. I love college football. My absolute favorite sport. But the champion is based on opinion and even with the stupid BCS, we still get 2 champions every other year. Theres too much money being paid by us the fans to put up with this any longer.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I think Washington gave up 2 turnovers and a punt return last Saturday. Huskies beat themselves. They are just as good as USC. LOL.

 

[Scott4USC]

I don't think USC is 3 TD's better than Notre Dame. I will say that the Irish had a perfect set up for the game. Home field. 2 weeks to prepare, etc.
Also, look at the Super Bowl a few years back. Rams/Pats. Rams had possibly the best, most sophisticated offenses in the history of football. But Pats beat them. I think they held them to 16 points. Look at Colts offense last few years. They can't beat the Patriots.
Great defense just has a way of beating great offense.

Was that great defense of ND allowing the USC WR's to be WIDE OPEN and dropping the ball? No defender withing 5 yards on those dropped passes. USC has themselves to blame. USC played with fire and almost got burned. The last time USC dropped that many passes was in year 2 of Pete Carroll game #3 @Kansas St. Long time ago. USC is not known for dropping passes. If USC dropped 5 wide open passes against OU last year in OB it might have been a different game. Think about it. Against great teams, and ND is a great team (def. top 10 caliber with their schedule), USC cannot play sloppy.

Take the 3rd series of the game as an example. USC up 14-7 @ND with the ball near 50 yard line. Leinart on 1st down i think threw 15-20 pass to wide open WR Steve Smith. He dropped it. You can't do that on the road against #9 ranked team in hostile rivalry environment.

If USC and ND played again, I think USC would win by 17pts. Quite easily I might add. But that is why they play the game and on that day, ND came very close to beating USC. As close as you can get.

I think Washington gave up 2 turnovers and a punt return last Saturday. Huskies beat themselves. They are just as good as USC. LOL.

ND was never up double digits against USC. It was tight game from start to finish. 2 of the biggest reasons was USC dropping 5 wide open passes and refs allowed for ND's punt return for TD. Washington played sloppy at times and was burned. if Washington played flawless USC prob. wins by 20pts.

As for your 4-team playoff. Well, it would be a huge step up and a step in the right direction, but I still don't think its fair enough.
Lets take North Carolina and USC this year. USC starts out #1. Carolina starts out unranked. Thats too big of a head start. Carolina could go 10-1 and still be left out. USC could possibly even go 9-2 and get there.

That is why you try and schedule TOUGH OOC games. Play tough games in OOC and you will be ranked high. No excuses. USC plays ND every year yet still tries and add tough OOC teams. 5 years ago USC scheduled series with Nebraska and I think USC has a series coming up with Ohio St. Arkansas is an SEC team. Point is, play a tough schedule from start to finish and you will get your deserved ranking. Play $hit OOC (AU last year) and you may be left out. No doubt in my mind if AU played tougher OOC, they would have been in BCS NC game. USC was available to play last year because USC was looking for 2 OOC opponents at the very last minute. USC got V-Tech and Colorado St.

Basically, theres no margin of error in my system. All you have to do is win your division, and then keep right on winning. There is no opinion factored into it. Its all about wins and losses.

I agree and sounds good. But 8 team playoff might take too much time. I also want to avoid injuries. what if Leinart or Young get injured in this 3 game playoff system? Not fair. 2 playoff system is best IMO.

You can't play late January. That is the 2nd semester of school.

But, one way or another, it would easily work and make money. I'm so sick of the current system. I love college football. My absolute favorite sport.

I love it too. But maybe all this mess creates the huge passion for CFB. Go to the NFL forum and there is no passion. There is a lot of passion in CFB because there is so much at stake each and every week. If USC lost to ND there NC hopes might have vanished. Then USC must become fans of opponents to several teams each week. Look at all the great debates that go on in CFB. You never see in that in the NFL.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I never said Notre Dame had a great defense this year. Their pass defense is not very good at all.
When I was referring to great defense beating great offense, I was meaning that USC might get beat if they played in a conference that featured a lot of defensive minded teams that use ball control, etc. on offense.

If Carolina schedules tough non-conference opponents, then they increase their chances of losing. They already have to play teams like Miami, VaTech, Florida St., and a conference championship. One slip and they're done. Basically almost no chance at beg. of year to win it.
USC plays weaker conference schedule, can lose a game early and still be alive, and has no title game.
I'm just using these 2 teams, this year, as an example. The problem I am bringing up is that teams are beginning a season based on what happened last year and based on predictions and opinions.
Each year should be separate from the last when determining a champion and everyone should start the race from the same line.

Can't say anything about playing in extra games. Remember when everyone played 11 games? Well, then they started having games like the Pigskin Classic and BCA Classic. 12 games for those teams. Was that fair?
Then teams started adding a 12th game, prob. just to make more money. A couple years ago, NC State played 13 games and then a bowl game. Nobody said anything about them playing 14 games in one season, or when Ohio St. won their nat'l championship om 2002 they were 14-0. LSU was 13-1 2 years ago.
In my system, the champ and runner-up would play 15 games. Two other teams would play 14 games. Everyone else would play 13 or less.

They could probably find a way to finish it up by early January. I mean, look at what Div. IAA, etc. does. They have 16 team tourneys.

I like my method better than just taking top 16 teams b/c it would put more emphasis on conference races and, again start everyone out on a level field.

I think all the controversy adds to college football, but overall needs to be fixed. I think the reason you find more passion, etc. is b/c its more about the game and fun rather than a business. Players don't get traded. Even though players can only play 4 years, they will always be associated with that program.
You have the team colors, the traditions, the bands, fight songs, hot young cheerleaders. The game is more wide open with a lot of variety while the NFL is so similar and so much parity. I mean, look at receivers in NFL. Some are better than others, but there all damn good, all run a 4.4, rarely drop passes, etc. Nothing wrong with that, just makes things a little more boring.
In college you have the option, more trick plays, etc.
You have bigger and better rivalries and chances for huge upsets. You've got 110,000 screaming fans all wearing white shirts in Happy Valley to white out the Buckeyes. And those fans won't let them lose. And somewhere in the mix you've got a coach that is three times older than my dad who can still run a 4.4 "40" himself when he has to run down a referee.
My friend, you don't need controversy when you have all that. 22 men and a ball is about all you need.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Scott - 3 TDS better than ND LOL... They should have LOST the game. ND dropped passes too... Stovall droped THREE 1st downs. Give it a rest. Three out of the 5 Passes USC droped were like 5-10 yards. It wasn't like they were going to score on any of those.

Please quit crying about the punt return. I have heard this from numerous stupid USC fans. There WAS NO BLOCK in the back. Do you really think Bush has returned all of those punt returns with not one block in the back. Jesus - give it a rest.

ND would have win up by double digits TWICE if Fasano didn't fumble on the 20 going in for the score or if Quinn didn't miss Swhapp on an easy five yard dump pass that would have sealed the game. Quit making excuses. IF Bush didn't have a huge game ND would have beat USC by 14-21pts.

We can go back and forth and scrutinize every play or you can stop blaming the officials and making excuses (like you do every game USC plays in) or just admit those two teams battled and the game was basically a tie.

 

[Scott4USC]

Scott - 3 TDS better than ND LOL... They should have LOST the game. ND dropped passes too... Stovall droped THREE 1st downs. Give it a rest. Three out of the 5 Passes USC droped were like 5-10 yards. It wasn't like they were going to score on any of those.

I think 9 yards was the shortest dropped pass. (Mcfoy in 3q opening drive) They were BIG plays that the WR's dropped. Perfect passes too.

Stovall didn't drop 3 1st downs. Actually, i don't remember an Irish WR dropping a wide open pass that was perfectly thrown. Quinn made some poor throws throughout the game but did ND drop a perfectly thrown pass to a wide open WR? Not sure.

Please quit crying about the punt return. I have heard this from numerous stupid USC fans. There WAS NO BLOCK in the back. Do you really think Bush has returned all of those punt returns with not one block in the back. Jesus - give it a rest

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There were 2 fouls on ND on that punt return. You would think 1/2 would be called.

ND would have win up by double digits TWICE if Fasano didn't fumble on the 20 going in for the score or if Quinn didn't miss Swhapp on an easy five yard dump pass that would have sealed the game. Quit making excuses.

Bing knocked out the ball on Fasano. That is a good play. USC coaches that everyday in practice. I have seen Bing do it at least 3 times in his career at USC. Other USC players do it as well. USC dropping wide open passes is not normal. It was 3 years ago since USC dropped that many passes to WR's that open. That is a long time! ND was fortunate USC played sloppy.

IF Bush didn't have a huge game ND would have beat USC by 14-21pts.

I agree. Especially since ND shut down White.

We can go back and forth and scrutinize every play or you can stop blaming the officials and making excuses (like you do every game USC plays in) or just admit those two teams battled and the game was basically a tie.

USC played sloppy. Carroll says so and I agree. USC has only themselves to blame because ND was not the reason for USC playing sloppy.

I agree that both teams battled and gave their 100% effort and the game turned out to be a tie. But both teams didn't play flawless. USC played a lot worse than ND. You can't do that on the road in hostile environment against #9 ranked team in the country who also happens to be your rival. That is why they play the game. If USC played OU in OB with 5 dropped passes you would see a different game. But we all know dropped passes are an anomaly with USC since it was 3 years ago since USC dropped that many. $hit happens and USC almost lost. Both teams can hang their head high after that game and USC/ND rivalry is back!