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Anderson Cooper is doin a good job.. maybe he should run for president
Anderson Cooper is doin a good job.. maybe he should run for president
senate democrats kill john doe amendment.....
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Heres what sinks in on her being tough on terror--
Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
--Give em lawyers
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods.
--Name and Jihad # only
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision.
--no explaination needed
--now I'll give you chance to explain why you think shes tough on terror
--believe it or not I got this off pro hilliary site that used these as examples of her being tough on terror-no shits folks--scarey isn't it-think I'm kidding?
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Homeland_Security.htm
Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
--Give em lawyers
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods.
--Name and Jihad # only
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision.
--no explaination needed
--now I'll give you chance to explain why you think shes tough on terror
--believe it or not I got this off pro hilliary site that used these as examples of her being tough on terror-no shits folks--scarey isn't it-think I'm kidding?
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Clinton_Homeland_Security.htm
Guantanamo has been a joke. What's wrong with #2. Most of us feel the warantless wiretapping is not necessary.
HOWEVER, better security, better cargo screening, paying attention to memos, better international strategies and diplomacy are much more effective tools against terrorism. You don't need to sacrifice the things that make us a better society to achieve better security. It's really just logical.
"No shit, folks." ...Talking just like Rush, I see.
HOWEVER, better security, better cargo screening, paying attention to memos, better international strategies and diplomacy are much more effective tools against terrorism. You don't need to sacrifice the things that make us a better society to achieve better security. It's really just logical.
"No shit, folks." ...Talking just like Rush, I see.
Hang in there, smurph...I've tried to get Wayne to comment on his four caveats for a long time now by answering them, he never answers me...
There's no doubt that he and Wease believe that this administration can do WHATEVER IT WANTS in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE when it cloaks itself in the "war on terra" smokescreen. You make some very simple points, and I'll back it up with these:
Guantanamo: If we've learned nothing from the past few years of holding people hostage with no explanation provided, needed, or even nodded to by the people who misrepresented our current situation in Iraq when they asked for support and to be believed...we now know in almost every instance that there is no reason for them to be held. In fact, it's been proven in most cases they should not have been held at all. So, I would not talk about Guantanamo if I was trying to convince people of how to act as a PROPER democratic society. Act like us most of the time, just not when we need to lie or hide the truth about a situation. Specifically, what democrat proposed providing lawyers for these people, if there was a proposal. Not that THAT is the correct point, but, to humor you - WHO did that?
I'll ask for the 500th time - and I'm sure it will be bypassed for the 500th time by Wayne specifically - what democrat has mandated only asking for Name and Jihad number from detainees? That doesn't even consider all the detainess that have been proven to have not been honestly detainable or a real threat to our country. No proof, no evidence, no reasoning, no NOTHING. Just grabbing an individual, rapidly naming them an enemy combatant with no explanation, so they won't fall under common sense democratic reasoning. It's LUDICROUS. And Wayne incessantly types those words and will never explain who asked for Name and Jihad number. I would expect my country, a democratic country, to have a report or show ANY EVIDENCE of why they are holding a person as an enemy combatant - named by the people that don't even have to say why. LUDICROUS.
Not sure what Wayne is referring to with extending the wiretapping provision - please explain specifically. If you mean breaking the law and trashing our constitution, then, there's no proven reason for doing it - and can only be looked at as suspicious and unnecessary. But, not knowing how you are wordsmithing this...I can never know for sure. It's long since been proven that FISA laws have worked in every case but, what, five situations, and none of those were based on merit or had any relation to terror or problems for our country. So, they worked in those cases, too. PERIOD.
I, too am quite comfortable that Hillary would be tough on terror. I personally don't think that our elected leaders have to lie, cheat, steal and hide things to be tough on terror. I'd prefer someone who works within what our country is really all about and doesn't trash our country when convenient.
There's no doubt that he and Wease believe that this administration can do WHATEVER IT WANTS in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE when it cloaks itself in the "war on terra" smokescreen. You make some very simple points, and I'll back it up with these:
Guantanamo: If we've learned nothing from the past few years of holding people hostage with no explanation provided, needed, or even nodded to by the people who misrepresented our current situation in Iraq when they asked for support and to be believed...we now know in almost every instance that there is no reason for them to be held. In fact, it's been proven in most cases they should not have been held at all. So, I would not talk about Guantanamo if I was trying to convince people of how to act as a PROPER democratic society. Act like us most of the time, just not when we need to lie or hide the truth about a situation. Specifically, what democrat proposed providing lawyers for these people, if there was a proposal. Not that THAT is the correct point, but, to humor you - WHO did that?
I'll ask for the 500th time - and I'm sure it will be bypassed for the 500th time by Wayne specifically - what democrat has mandated only asking for Name and Jihad number from detainees? That doesn't even consider all the detainess that have been proven to have not been honestly detainable or a real threat to our country. No proof, no evidence, no reasoning, no NOTHING. Just grabbing an individual, rapidly naming them an enemy combatant with no explanation, so they won't fall under common sense democratic reasoning. It's LUDICROUS. And Wayne incessantly types those words and will never explain who asked for Name and Jihad number. I would expect my country, a democratic country, to have a report or show ANY EVIDENCE of why they are holding a person as an enemy combatant - named by the people that don't even have to say why. LUDICROUS.
Not sure what Wayne is referring to with extending the wiretapping provision - please explain specifically. If you mean breaking the law and trashing our constitution, then, there's no proven reason for doing it - and can only be looked at as suspicious and unnecessary. But, not knowing how you are wordsmithing this...I can never know for sure. It's long since been proven that FISA laws have worked in every case but, what, five situations, and none of those were based on merit or had any relation to terror or problems for our country. So, they worked in those cases, too. PERIOD.
I, too am quite comfortable that Hillary would be tough on terror. I personally don't think that our elected leaders have to lie, cheat, steal and hide things to be tough on terror. I'd prefer someone who works within what our country is really all about and doesn't trash our country when convenient.
that`s pretty snappy......explain "guantanamo`s been a joke".......
why is that?...because the "europeans" don`t like it?.....
where do you want `em?...in the states?....you`re not that naive,are you?....
why is it bad to hold the monsters out of the country?...you worried about their rights?...about prayer rugs,korans and halal food?....
well,they`re getting all that now...geneva conventiion rights thrown in...something that terrorists should never be afforded...
what`s the problem?...what can they get here that they can`t get there that`s making you lose sleep?.....
Maybe if someone - anyone - could explain why these "monsters" are being held other than the administration calling them enemy combatants without proof, then you might have a better point.
Wouldn't it be great if the people you are defending could simply come out from behind the curtain and quit hiding? Maybe, just maybe, they could garner more support from the general public and even some moderate liberal leaners like myself. Until they do, and quit hiding, they are not deserving of any lattitude. Considering their track record...quite the opposite, in fact.
Wouldn't it be great if the people you are defending could simply come out from behind the curtain and quit hiding? Maybe, just maybe, they could garner more support from the general public and even some moderate liberal leaners like myself. Until they do, and quit hiding, they are not deserving of any lattitude. Considering their track record...quite the opposite, in fact.
Chad On the Rank/jihad #
Concerning terrorist-captured terrorist-or prisoners expected of being same--who chop heads-kill cilvians-kill or try to kill our troops
Who is against embarrasing or humiliating prisoners these same terrorists
Who is for providing them attorneys
Who is against coerced interrogations of same
who is it that just voted against the John Doe provision protecting americans from prosectution when reporting potential terrorist acts
Who is it that refuses to even utter the words muslum islamic terrorists in their debates
---Then give it your best shot and convincing us Dems are tough on terror!
on your
Concerning terrorist-captured terrorist-or prisoners expected of being same--who chop heads-kill cilvians-kill or try to kill our troops
Who is against embarrasing or humiliating prisoners these same terrorists
Who is for providing them attorneys
Who is against coerced interrogations of same
who is it that just voted against the John Doe provision protecting americans from prosectution when reporting potential terrorist acts
Who is it that refuses to even utter the words muslum islamic terrorists in their debates
---Then give it your best shot and convincing us Dems are tough on terror!
on your
We just want law, order, honesty, and consistency. It has nothing to do with concern about embarrasing or insulting anyone. I think you miss the point entirely on that. We cannot compromise our values in order to compensate horrible strategy.
I see if they are caught in combat or by any other means --lets give them the benefit of the doubt?
As I said months ago--maybe we could pacify the liberals and let them pick by any standards they use, on which one to release and set them free in your communities--I have no problem letting liberals live with their convictions as long as normal folks don't have to suffer the consequences--if you don't want recruiters in your schools fine--just don't be calling on them when you need them--you don't want warrentless survailence-fine can we just bypass any intercepted messages that have intent on liberal areas
-on coerced interrogation--lets compromise--if we start to get info that again pertains to attacks on liberal meccas we'll immediately stop and get them attorneys.
Big diff between PC and reality--
Maybe we need refresher course on these folks you want to refraim from embarrasing-give attorneys ect---
I can guarantee you our troops are also out of loop as well as all the red you saw on maps in 04 election--
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AFP) - Taliban rebels in Afghanistan killed one of their 23 South Korean hostages Wednesday, officials said, and set a "final deadline" for the government to meet demands for a prisoner swap.
Police found the bullet-riddled body of the Korean, one of a group of Christian aid workers, a few hours after the rebels said they had executed him because talks to secure the release of eight insurgent prisoners had stalled.
"We killed one of the Koreans today because the government is not being honest in talks," Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP by telephone from an unknown location.
The police chief of Ghazni province, where the Taliban are holding the Koreans, said the badly-wounded body was dumped in a remote area several miles from the nearest road.
"Yes, we've recovered the body. It had 10 bullet holes," police commander Alishah Ahmadzai said.
As tensions mounted, the head of the government delegation negotiating the release of the Koreans, Waheedullah Mujadadi, said the Taliban had opened fire on him in a buffer zone between Taliban and government-controlled areas.
"I managed to escape the attack. They were trying to kidnap me as well or kill me," he said.
The militants -- who were ousted from power in Afghanistan by US-led forces in late 2001 -- set a deadline of 2030 GMT Wednesday for Afghan authorities to accede to their demands for the release of the jailed Taliban fighters.
"We call on the South Korean government, parliament and its people to pressure the Afghan government to accept our demands or we'll kill more hostages after the deadline passes," Ahmadi said.
An Afghan governor and the Taliban both denied a report by South Korea's Yonhap news agency, quoting an unidentified government official in Seoul, that eight of the Koreans were freed Wednesday.
"Talks continue but no one has been freed so far," said Ghazni governor Mirajuddin Pattan. Rebel spokesman Ahmadi said the claim was "government propaganda."
South Korean and Afghan officials earlier travelled to Ghazni to lead efforts to free the Koreans, the biggest group of foreigners to be abducted during the Taliban's nearly six-year insurgency.
Any prisoner exchange would run counter to President Hamid Karzai's pledge not to allow the practice after his government in March freed five Taliban militants in exchange for an Italian reporter.
A fresh hostage crisis was defused Wednesday when Taliban rebels freed a Danish journalist and his Afghan companion several hours after abducting them overnight in eastern Kunar province bordering Pakistan.
Officials earlier said the reporter was German.
"I was in a house and there was a brief exchange of fire. Following the exchange, armed Taliban took me," Khawja Najibullah, a Dane of Afghan origin, told reporters after his release.
"I told them 'I am a Muslim, I pray.' Then they freed me," he added.
Provincial governor Shalizai Didar said the pair were abducted after they travelled to the restive Watapour district to report on a NATO-led air strike which killed several Afghan civilians some two weeks ago.
"They were freed with no conditions through the power and cooperation of peace-loving local elders," Didar said.
A German hostage, one of two kidnapped in the south of the country last Wednesday, remains in the custody of the Taliban. The rebels say he is seriously ill and slipping in and out of consciousness due to diabetes.
The bullet-riddled body of the other German was dumped by a road on Sunday.
The Taliban have demanded the release of 10 prisoners for the sick German and four other Afghan hostages, but have not set a deadline related to that group of captives.
The Taliban have previously called for South Korea and Germany to pull their troops out of the country but the issue has not figured in their most recent set of demands.
Seoul has repeatedly said it will withdraw its 200 troops serving with a US-led coalition in Afghanistan by the end of the year. Berlin has about 3,000 soldiers in the central Asian nation under NATO command.
I can guarantee you our troops are also out of loop as well as all the red you saw on maps in 04 election--
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AFP) - Taliban rebels in Afghanistan killed one of their 23 South Korean hostages Wednesday, officials said, and set a "final deadline" for the government to meet demands for a prisoner swap.
Police found the bullet-riddled body of the Korean, one of a group of Christian aid workers, a few hours after the rebels said they had executed him because talks to secure the release of eight insurgent prisoners had stalled.
"We killed one of the Koreans today because the government is not being honest in talks," Taliban spokesman Yousuf Ahmadi told AFP by telephone from an unknown location.
The police chief of Ghazni province, where the Taliban are holding the Koreans, said the badly-wounded body was dumped in a remote area several miles from the nearest road.
"Yes, we've recovered the body. It had 10 bullet holes," police commander Alishah Ahmadzai said.
As tensions mounted, the head of the government delegation negotiating the release of the Koreans, Waheedullah Mujadadi, said the Taliban had opened fire on him in a buffer zone between Taliban and government-controlled areas.
"I managed to escape the attack. They were trying to kidnap me as well or kill me," he said.
The militants -- who were ousted from power in Afghanistan by US-led forces in late 2001 -- set a deadline of 2030 GMT Wednesday for Afghan authorities to accede to their demands for the release of the jailed Taliban fighters.
"We call on the South Korean government, parliament and its people to pressure the Afghan government to accept our demands or we'll kill more hostages after the deadline passes," Ahmadi said.
An Afghan governor and the Taliban both denied a report by South Korea's Yonhap news agency, quoting an unidentified government official in Seoul, that eight of the Koreans were freed Wednesday.
"Talks continue but no one has been freed so far," said Ghazni governor Mirajuddin Pattan. Rebel spokesman Ahmadi said the claim was "government propaganda."
South Korean and Afghan officials earlier travelled to Ghazni to lead efforts to free the Koreans, the biggest group of foreigners to be abducted during the Taliban's nearly six-year insurgency.
Any prisoner exchange would run counter to President Hamid Karzai's pledge not to allow the practice after his government in March freed five Taliban militants in exchange for an Italian reporter.
A fresh hostage crisis was defused Wednesday when Taliban rebels freed a Danish journalist and his Afghan companion several hours after abducting them overnight in eastern Kunar province bordering Pakistan.
Officials earlier said the reporter was German.
"I was in a house and there was a brief exchange of fire. Following the exchange, armed Taliban took me," Khawja Najibullah, a Dane of Afghan origin, told reporters after his release.
"I told them 'I am a Muslim, I pray.' Then they freed me," he added.
Provincial governor Shalizai Didar said the pair were abducted after they travelled to the restive Watapour district to report on a NATO-led air strike which killed several Afghan civilians some two weeks ago.
"They were freed with no conditions through the power and cooperation of peace-loving local elders," Didar said.
A German hostage, one of two kidnapped in the south of the country last Wednesday, remains in the custody of the Taliban. The rebels say he is seriously ill and slipping in and out of consciousness due to diabetes.
The bullet-riddled body of the other German was dumped by a road on Sunday.
The Taliban have demanded the release of 10 prisoners for the sick German and four other Afghan hostages, but have not set a deadline related to that group of captives.
The Taliban have previously called for South Korea and Germany to pull their troops out of the country but the issue has not figured in their most recent set of demands.
Seoul has repeatedly said it will withdraw its 200 troops serving with a US-led coalition in Afghanistan by the end of the year. Berlin has about 3,000 soldiers in the central Asian nation under NATO command.
Not avoiding, just busy right now. It's Babe Ruth tournament time around these parts...running crazy planning stuff. Will get back to this - remind me if I don't.
