Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T

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Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T
By Walter Alarkon - 09/07/09 12:11 PM ET

The Senate must move legislation to raise the federal debt limit beyond $12.1 trillion by mid-October, a move viewed as necessary despite protests about the record levels of red ink.

The move will highlight the nation?s record debt, which has been central to Republican attacks against Democratic congressional leaders and President Barack Obama. The year?s deficit is expected to hit a record $1.6 trillion.

Democrats in control of Congress, including then-Sen. Obama (Ill.), blasted President George W. Bush for failing to contain spending when he oversaw increased deficits and raised the debt ceiling.

?Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,? Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. ?America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.?

Obama later joined his Democratic colleagues in voting en bloc against raising the debt increase.

Now Obama is asking Congress to raise the debt ceiling, something lawmakers are almost certain to do despite misgivings about the federal debt. The ceiling already has been hiked three times in the past two years, and the House took action earlier this year to raise the ceiling to $13 trillion.

Congress has little choice. Failing to raise the cap could lead the nation to default in mid-October, when the debt is expected to exceed its limit, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has said. In August, Geithner asked Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to increase the debt limit as soon as possible.

Changing the debt cap ?does provide an opportunity to look at fiscal policy and what its failings are, and ideally it could give both sides an opportunity to think about what we need to do so we don't keep raising the debt limit,? said Robert Bixby, the executive director of the Concord Coalition, a fiscal watchdog group.

?But probably as a practical matter, it will get more attention as a partisan back-and-forth,? Bixby said.

When the House raised the debt limit to $13 trillion as part of a budget resolution approved in April, Democratic leaders used a maneuver known as the ?Gephardt rule,? named after former House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt (Mo.), to avoid taking a roll call vote on the debt limit increase.

The Senate isn?t so lucky. It lacks a similar mechanism, meaning each senator must cast a politically perilous vote on raising the debt ceiling.

The Senate Finance Committee will ?carefully review Treasury's request on behalf of the American taxpayers,? according to an aide to the committee's chairman, Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

?Sen. Baucus understands the critical importance of signaling to the world that the U.S. maintains the confidence and security to continue to lead the global economy out of recession,? the Baucus aide said. ?The request to raise the debt limit is serious and must be addressed thoroughly and in a nonpartisan manner.?

The aide noted that Baucus is pressing the Treasury Department to be more transparent about its efforts to pull the economy out of recession.

?He will continue to demand the necessary communication and cooperation going forward,? the aide said.

Both the White House and the independent Congressional Budget Office last month said that they expect the debt to increase by another $9 trillion over the next decade. Should the Senate follow the House's lead and set the new debt limit at $13 trillion, lawmakers would probably have to raise the limit again next year, when the Obama administration expects to run a $1.5 trillion deficit.

The business community has supported Geithner's push for a higher debt ceiling. Bruce Josten, the top lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, said it's essential to the U.S. economy.

?If we fail to address this in a timely fashion, then you run the risk of having to curtail government operations,? Josten said. ?The last thing our economy and the world economy needs is greater uncertainty throughout global credit markets.?

Josten said that the high level of debt is a reality during the recession, but it's unsustainable and needs to be reduced by reforming Medicare and Social Security.

?While we can freely and openly acknowledge completely and lobby to raise the debt ceiling and incur some more debt, the longer trends ultimately need to be reversed,? he said.

Congress raised the debt limit just a few months ago when it passed the $787 billion stimulus package.
 

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Good to see you back Keeko.

Thanks Skul. The thing about this article is that Obama was right, but is continuing the failed policies that he talked about in his campaign run. They are pretty much all hypocrites, and we argue amongst ourselves as liberals and conservatives, but in the meantime no one has their eye on who really is destroying this country. When all else fails, follow the money. The Federal Reserve and it's Banking Cartels are the real pimps and thieves that are destroying this country, and are robbing it and us blind.
 

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Thanks Skul. The thing about this article is that Obama was right, but is continuing the failed policies that he talked about in his campaign run. They are pretty much all hypocrites, and we argue amongst ourselves as liberals and conservatives, but in the meantime no one has their eye on who really is destroying this country. When all else fails, follow the money. The Federal Reserve and it's Banking Cartels are the real pimps and thieves that are destroying this country, and are robbing it and us blind.

When I first came to this forum , From day one I've said that the fulking fed is the worst thing that has ever happened to the country.
The BANKERS put Wilson in office and the result was pay back by Wilson to give the control of the nations currency to a few greedy,ruthless,thieving BASTARDS.
Now with this being said, how does the Bush administration sell us the bailout for the BANKS... with the road record that the Bush administration has for being the biggest liars in history with the wars started by these lies and now these SOB'S come to the taxpayer and ask for a bailout.
This proves a point that people are really stupid !!
Obama is on the same path, what a fulking liar he is , same shit , just a different color.
 

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When I first came to this forum , From day one I've said that the fulking fed is the worst thing that has ever happened to the country.
The BANKERS put Wilson in office and the result was pay back by Wilson to give the control of the nations currency to a few greedy,ruthless,thieving BASTARDS.
Now with this being said, how does the Bush administration sell us the bailout for the BANKS... with the road record that the Bush administration has for being the biggest liars in history with the wars started by these lies and now these SOB'S come to the taxpayer and ask for a bailout.
This proves a point that people are really stupid !!
Obama is on the same path, what a fulking liar he is , same shit , just a different color.

I agree about the Fed. They do whatever they want, and don't answer to anyone. They have never been audited, no one knows what the hell they are really doing. They are a big part of the blame our economy is so fucked. Greenspan was on tv years ago basically saying the fed is above the law. They answer to no one. Ron Paul is trying to pass legislation to audit these motherfuckers finally, hopefully it passes. I am not gonna get my hopes up though. As for Bush and his bank bailout, there was a 9 to 1 ratio on people opposing that bailout. The politicians in Congress voted for it, even though the people didn't want it. Obama is just picking up where Bush left off. They were both bought and paid for by the Banksters in this country. Jefferson said it best "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Rome is burning right now, while the people in this country watch American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Carry on.:0corn :0corn
 

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I agree about the Fed. They do whatever they want, and don't answer to anyone. They have never been audited, no one knows what the hell they are really doing. They are a big part of the blame our economy is so fucked. Greenspan was on tv years ago basically saying the fed is above the law. They answer to no one. Ron Paul is trying to pass legislation to audit these motherfuckers finally, hopefully it passes. I am not gonna get my hopes up though. As for Bush and his bank bailout, there was a 9 to 1 ratio on people opposing that bailout. The politicians in Congress voted for it, even though the people didn't want it. Obama is just picking up where Bush left off. They were both bought and paid for by the Banksters in this country. Jefferson said it best "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Rome is burning right now, while the people in this country watch American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Carry on.:0corn :0corn

Television is the DEVIL.
Your last comment is the reason that I stated that most people are stupid. Most people are disconnected from what's happing.
If Jefferson said it best then you have posted it better than anyone that I know,I agree 100 % with what you'er saying, CARRY ON !!!
 

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a thread we should all agree on..... the biggest scam in America today is the home mortage.. too many lending at too low of interest rates and many live in homes they cannot afford. people are slaves to banks. either it is the home, car, credit cards, clothing, etc.

what george chose to do is irreparable, imho. if you really wanted to fix the economy - give the tax paying, home owning , legal citizens the checks to pay off their mortages.....:shrug: hey, it makes better sense than paying banks the money (we already know what they will do with it).

i am sure i could find something to do with the extra every month that would stimulate in a number of areas.

oh well, this thing is going to continue to get worse and we will soon be enjoying a one world currency.....
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Television is the DEVIL.
Your last comment is the reason that I stated that most people are stupid. Most people are disconnected from what's happing.
If Jefferson said it best then you have posted it better than anyone that I know,I agree 100 % with what you'er saying, CARRY ON !!!

Thanks for the kind words. I can see by the limited responses in this thread that people are blinded by the same old lame ass arguments about republicans and democrats. They will continue to argue shit that in all fairness is the same. Both parties are the same fucking bullshit. People need to wake the fuck up, but they are too ignorant and blinded by political alliances. They have the majority of people doing just what they want, dividing us and fighting amonst ourselves. Although some are starting to wake up and realize who it is that is exactly in control of this country. But not enough. :0corn :0corn
 

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a thread we should all agree on..... the biggest scam in America today is the home mortage.. too many lending at too low of interest rates and many live in homes they cannot afford. people are slaves to banks. either it is the home, car, credit cards, clothing, etc.

what george chose to do is irreparable, imho. if you really wanted to fix the economy - give the tax paying, home owning , legal citizens the checks to pay off their mortages.....:shrug: hey, it makes better sense than paying banks the money (we already know what they will do with it).

i am sure i could find something to do with the extra every month that would stimulate in a number of areas.

oh well, this thing is going to continue to get worse and we will soon be enjoying a one world currency.....
:00hour

George and Obama are the same. Obama is continuing the failed policies of Bush. Nominates Bernanke again, instead of telling him to get the fuck out. Obama is bought and paid for. The banksters own his ass, just like they did Bush.

Your solution wouldn't help the situation economically. It would do the same shit as giving it too banks or auto companies. People need to understand something, there is no more fucking money in this country. It's is bankrupt. Giving money to people because they overextended themselves is assinine, just as it is giving it to banks or auto companies that made bad decisions. People don't understand that this country spent money for a long time that it didn't have, and now they are gonna see the ramifications of those decisions. They ain't gonna be pretty. Enjoy the show.:0corn :0corn
 

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There's are association that this admin has that is more scarey than banks IMHO

We get unions rewarded for tanking companies with ownership of same companies--a few from
Michelle Malkin's list--



President Obama?s payoffs to Big Labor continue.
The union bosses got not one, but two, Cabinet appointees: Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis.

Former SEIU chief lobbyist and Soros-funded operative Patrick Gaspard is White House Director of Political Affairs.

SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger serves on the President?s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.
SEIU thug-in-chief Andy Stern has a seat at the table of every domestic policy initiative.
At the New York Federal Reserve, the AFL-CIO?s New York chief Dennis Hughes is now chairman, replacing Obama Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner.
AFL-CIO official Naomi Walker received a midnight lobbyist waiver so she can communicate with her union buddies in her new role as Assistant Deputy Secretary of Labor.
And to cap off Labor Day weekend, Obama named union heavy Ron Bloom ? who cut his teeth at the foot of John Sweeney when he headed up the SEIU ? the new ?manufacturing czar.?
Bloom will continue to double-dip the government coffers as the Treasury Secretary?s car czar ? oh, excuse me, ?senior auto adviser.?
Like so many of the Czars of the Obama Underworld, Bloom will serve in a completely superfluous position. Why does America need a ?manufacturing? czar? Doesn?t the Department of Labor cover that jurisdiction already?
No, Bloom has no actual, specialized experience in manufacturing.
He does have a long track record of union hatchet jobs, though/ J.P. Freire and David Freddoso at the Examiner note:
 

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i was kidding about the paying off my mort, but the rest not so much. I agree about bush/obama being the same.
 

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just wonder who the big boys are behind O that put the words on the prompter. he's a puppet like the one's before him. most of the country is numb to the staggering debt we are in. billion,trillion,wtf
 
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