Senate Passes Health Care Bill

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Senate passes historic health care legislation
Unusual Christmas Eve vote symbolic in ongoing debate

Senate Dems praise health bill's passage
Dec. 24: At a news conference a few moments after passing a landmark health care bill, Senate Democrats called the passage a "victory for the American people."


Dec. 24: Senate Democrats pass a landmark health care bill early Thursday morning in a 60-39 vote.

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WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats passed a landmark health care bill in a climactic Christmas Eve vote that could define President Barack Obama's legacy and usher in near-universal medical coverage for the first time in the country's history.

The 60-39 vote on a cold winter morning capped months of arduous negotiations and 24 days of floor debate. It also followed a succession of failures by past congresses to get to this point. Vice President Joe Biden presided as 58 Democrats and two independents voted "yes." Republicans unanimously voted "no."

The tally far exceeded the simple majority required for passage.

The Senate's bill must still be merged with legislation passed by the House before Obama could sign a final bill in the new year. There are significant differences between the two measures but Democrats say they've come too far now to fail.

Both bills would extend health insurance to more than 30 million more Americans.

Speaking not long after the Senate passed the $871 billion bill by a 60-39 vote, Obama welcomed the vote as bringing America "toward the end of a nearly century-long struggle." He said presidents since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 have been trying unsuccessfully to overhaul medical care.

Standing in the State Room of the White House before leaving on a holiday trip to his home state of Hawaii, Obama said the measure the Senate passed "includes the toughest measures ever taken to hold the insurance industry accountable."

'It's merely the beginning'

Vicki Kennedy, the widow of the late Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, who made health reform his life's work, watched the vote from the gallery. So did Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., the longest-serving House member and a champion of universal health care his entire career.

"This morning isn't the end of the process, it's merely the beginning. We'll continue to build on this success to improve our health system even more," Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said before the vote. "But that process cannot begin unless we start today ... there may not be a next time." :00hour :SIB :00hour

At a news conference a few moments later, Reid said the vote "brings us one step closer to making Ted Kennedy's dream a reality."

The Nevadan said that "every step of this long process has been an enormous undertaking."

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Finance Committee, said he "very happy to see people getting health care they could not get."

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It was the Senate's first Christmas Eve vote since 1895, when the matter at hand was a military affairs bill concerning employment of former Confederate officers, according to the Senate Historical Office.

The House passed its own measure in November. The White House and Congress have now come further toward the goal of a comprehensive overhaul of the nation's health care system than any of their predecessors.

The legislation would ban the insurance industry from denying benefits or charging higher premiums on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. The Congressional Budget Office predicts the bill will reduce deficits by $130 billion over the next 10 years, an estimate that assumes lawmakers carry through on hundreds of billions of dollars in planned cuts to insurance companies and doctors, hospitals and others who treat Medicare patients.

For the first time, the government would require nearly every American to carry insurance, and subsidies would be provided to help low-income people to do so. Employers would be induced to cover their employees through a combination of tax credits and penalties. The legislation costs nearly $1 trillion over 10 years and is paid for by a combination of taxes, fees and cuts to Medicare.

Republicans were withering in their criticism of what they deemed a budget-busting government takeover. If the measure were worthwhile, contended Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., "they wouldn't be rushing it through Congress on Christmas Eve."

House Minority Leader John Boehner assailed the bill moments after passage.

"He's having a merry Christmas in Heaven," Sen. Paul Kirk, D-Mass., appointed to fill Kennedy's seat, told reporters after the tally.

Kirk said he was "humbled to be here with the honor of casting essentially his vote."

Said Dingell: "This is for me, this is for my dad, this is for the country."

Reid nailed the last votes down in a rush of dealmaking in the last week that is now coming under attack because of special provisions obtained by a number of senators. In Nebraska, home to conservative Democrat Ben Nelson, the Democrats' crucial 60th vote, the federal government will pay 100 percent of the cost of a planned Medicaid expansion in perpetuity, the only state getting that deal.


Negotiations between the House and Senate to reconcile differences between the two bills are expected to begin as soon as next week. The House bill has stricter limits on abortion than the Senate, and unlike the House, the Senate measure omits a government-run insurance option, which liberals favored to apply pressure on private insurers but Democratic moderates opposed as an unwarranted federal intrusion. Obama has signaled he will sign a bill even if it lacks that
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the rats have won for now, just wait until November 2010:sadwave:

socialized medicine is here, communism is winning

Its called decency you mother fucker. Spending money on a fellow American is better than killing innocent civillians. And you have the nerve to step one foot in a church. Fucking hypocrite.
 

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Its called decency you mother fucker. Spending money on a fellow American is better than killing innocent civillians. And you have the nerve to step one foot in a church. Fucking hypocrite.

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I dont appreciate you coming in my thread with that kind of language. wtf

is that stomp hedgehog all you got going for you ?

have some respect for yourself
 

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I dont appreciate you coming in my thread with that kind of language. wtf

is that stomp hedgehog all you got going for you ?

have some respect for yourself

The bitch deserves it. Sorry for interrupting your foolish Obama love fest.
 

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Thanks again DTB

you will see your premiums shoot up 40%

that should about cover for me.


thanks again from the one little picker to the other.

Pay up BLACK GUMBY !
Everyone that pays premiums will see increase--but this is no diff than before--we tax payors been footing your bills since we started working--nothing new.

This bill can be argued back and forth on merits and finances but only absolutes are--increasing medicaid - -increase taxes and will be one of largest spending bills in history.
--a pure redistribution of wealth as promised.

The other known fact is the Dem party will be solely responsible and suject to the consequences.

We'll see what transpires-;)
 
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Everyone that pays premiums will see increase--but this is no diff than before--we tax payors been footing your bills since we started working--nothing new.

This bill can be argued back and forth on merits and finances but only absolutes are--increasing medicaid - -increase taxes and will be one of largest spending bills in history.
--a pure redistribution of wealth as promised.

The other known fact is the Dem party will be solely responsible and suject to the consequences.

We'll see what transpires-;)
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suffer beeech


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not one damn thing you could do about it.

what happened to the rolling fillibuster


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ih8pols I am certainly no Obama lover, in fact I don't much care for him at all. But he did remove the ban on stem cell research which is already yielding scientific results and will make our country and the world a better place
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yeh one more accomplishment he did this year :00hour

when George W left office he had a accomplishment list. And when he got it out at the end of 8 yrs he couldnt find one to cross off the list of accomplishments:SIB :sadwave:
 

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ih8pols I am certainly no Obama lover, in fact I don't much care for him at all. But he did remove the ban on stem cell research which is already yielding scientific results and will make our country and the world a better place
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yeh one more accomplishment he did this year :00hour

when George W left office he had a accomplishment list. And when he got it out at the end of 8 yrs he couldnt find one to cross off the list of accomplishments:SIB :sadwave:


Why did you vote for his black ass then? If you did not love him. He is the biggest fraud since Jimmy Carter.

Obama has no accomplishments other than to raise taxes and to fereralize everything from banks, healthcare, car companies, he wants everyone to work for his communist party with him as dictator, its a good start, reminds me of Hitler, his idol

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Why did you vote for his black ass then? If you did not love him. He is the biggest fraud since Jimmy Carter.

Obama has no accomplishments other than to raise taxes and to fereralize everything from banks, healthcare, car companies, he wants everyone to work for his communist party with him as dictator, its a good start, reminds me of Hitler, his idol

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I didnt write that , its from a blog


I voted for O

I won alot of money on him winning. \

what a guy
 

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Rep. Griffith's decision makes him the fifth centrist Democrat to either switch parties or announce plans to retire rather than stand for reelection in 2010. These announcements are a sharp reversal from the progress the Democratic Party made starting in 2006 and continuing in 2008, when it reestablished itself as the nation's majority party for the first time in more than a decade. That success happened for one major reason: Democrats made inroads in geographies and constituencies that had trended Republican since the 1960s. In these two elections, a majority of independents and a sizable number of moderate Republicans joined the traditional Democratic base to sweep Democrats to commanding majorities in Congress and to bring Barack Obama to the White House.

These independents and Republicans supported Democrats based on a message indicating that the party would be a true Big Tent -- that we would welcome a diversity of views even on tough issues such as abortion, gun rights and the role of government in the economy.

This call was answered not just by voters but by a surge of smart, talented candidates who came forward to run and win under the Democratic banner in districts dominated by Republicans for a generation. These centrists swelled the party's ranks in Congress and contributed to Obama's victories in states such as Indiana, North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado and other Republican bastions.

But now they face a grim political fate. On the one hand, centrist Democrats are being vilified by left-wing bloggers, pundits and partisan news outlets for not being sufficiently liberal, "true" Democrats. On the other, Republicans are pounding them for their association with a party that seems to be advancing an agenda far to the left of most voters.

The political dangers of this situation could not be clearer.

Witness the losses in New Jersey and Virginia in this year's off-year elections. In those gubernatorial contests, the margin of victory was provided to Republicans by independents -- many of whom had voted for Obama. Just one year later, they had crossed back to the Republicans by 2-to-1 margins.

Witness the drumbeat of ominous poll results. Obama's approval rating has fallen below 49 percent overall and is even lower -- 41 percent -- among independents. On the question of which party is best suited to manage the economy, there has been a 30-point swing toward Republicans since November 2008, according to Ipsos. Gallup's generic congressional ballot shows Republicans leading Democrats. There is not a hint of silver lining in these numbers. They are the quantitative expression of the swing bloc of American politics slipping away.

And, of course, witness the loss of Rep. Griffith and his fellow moderate Democrats who will retire. They are perhaps the truest canaries in the coal mine.

Despite this raft of bad news, Democrats are not doomed to return to the wilderness. The question is whether the party is prepared to listen carefully to what the American public is saying. Voters are not re-embracing conservative ideology, nor are they falling back in love with the Republican brand. If anything, the Democrats' salvation may lie in the fact that Republicans seem even more hell-bent on allowing their radical wing to drag the party away from the center.

All that is required for the Democratic Party to recover its political footing is to acknowledge that the agenda of the party's most liberal supporters has not won the support of a majority of Americans -- and, based on that recognition, to steer a more moderate course on the key issues of the day, from health care to the economy to the environment to Afghanistan.

For liberals to accept that inescapable reality is not to concede permanent defeat. Rather, let them take it as a sign that they must continue the hard work of slowly and steadily persuading their fellow citizens to embrace their perspective. In the meantime, liberals -- and, indeed, all of us -- should have the humility to recognize that there is no monopoly on good ideas, as well as the long-term perspective to know that intraparty warfare will only relegate the Democrats to minority status, which would be disastrous for the very constituents they seek to represent.

The party's moment of choosing is drawing close. While it may be too late to avoid some losses in 2010, it is not too late to avoid the kind of rout that redraws the political map. The leaders of the Democratic Party need to move back toward the center -- and in doing so, set the stage for the many years' worth of leadership necessary to produce the sort of pragmatic change the American people actually want.
 

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The other disturbing development, she added, is the use of the body to conceal explosives. In August a terrorist tried to assassinate the Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Nayef with explosives implanted in his body.

"The bomber suffered third-degree burns on his leg," Dr Leivesley said. "It's possible that a part of the explosive was hidden either inside the inner thigh or wrapped over that area with skins. With baggy clothing, it could be missed during a search, as could a syringe hidden in the groin. There are no metal components involved, so it wouldn't trigger a security device. He would then use the syringe to inject a liquid which would detonate the explosive."

Another significant factor is the report that the


bomber was an engineering student at University College London. Dr Leivesley said that al-Qa'ida was recruiting people with engineering qualifications as well as highly placed scientists, particularly in the nuclear field.

"Al-Qa'ida is finding it difficult to recruit young people," she said. "And, interestingly, the election of Barack Obama is a factor in that, because, whatever you think of him as a president, the fact of him shows young people that there is an alternative to killing yourself. Al-Qa'ida is, however, targeting more highly skilled people
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So the shoe bomber got all our shoes checked.

Now the guy stuffs tnt in his ball sack.

Random ball checks coming.

yyz will spend the day going in and out of security at the closest airport
 
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