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interesting takes. No clue about this movie; I haven't seen it. I'll just respond to some of the comments.

Healthcare as a whole is not in great shape, but it's still better than it is anywhere else. I think wease mentioned Cuban doctors. I've worked with several out of the country and seen there handiwork in later years, and the doctors here in the good old USofA are much, much better. Please believe me on that. Canada has many excellent physicians if you can get in to see them. Talk about waiting...

Every person has to be their number 1 health care advocate. If you have one of those plans with network and non-network benefits, it's up to you to discover who the good doctors are and the ones who suck. I don't ever have a problem finding out this information, but that may be because I'm in the field. There's plenty of good doctors in every insurance plan.

Every insurance plan has some sort of coordinator or person whos job it is to help you find the doctor you need. Use that person.

HH, not sure what your ailments have been, but it sounds like you sure have been shat upon. It's a sick feeling to not get good care. Hate it that you had to go out on your own to find the care you needed.

Can agent not hook you up with some sort of high deductible no maternity type of insurance plan? Shouldn't be too expensive, and it might be good for your peace of mind.
 

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HH, not sure what your ailments have been, but it sounds like you sure have been shat upon. It's a sick feeling to not get good care. Hate it that you had to go out on your own to find the care you needed.

Can agent not hook you up with some sort of high deductible no maternity type of insurance plan? Shouldn't be too expensive, and it might be good for your peace of mind.

Sorry, I erased my post about the same time you posted - felt it was a bit self-centered and whiny...suffice to say I am not happy with the care I have received even with health insurance, and I have none now. I will probably be getting health insurance soon, but I am currently unemployed and waiting for a job or something to help pay the bills - can't afford it right now.

It was nice meeting you last week, and I do remember everything...haha - I think it was probably Jack or Lewehands by the looks on their faces that might have the memory comprehension problems!
 

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Sorry, I erased my post about the same time you posted - felt it was a bit self-centered and whiny...suffice to say I am not happy with the care I have received even with health insurance, and I have none now. I will probably be getting health insurance soon, but I am currently unemployed and waiting for a job or something to help pay the bills - can't afford it right now.

It was nice meeting you last week, and I do remember everything...haha - I think it was probably Jack or Lewehands by the looks on their faces that might have the memory comprehension problems!

I didn't think your post was like that at all. I knew u and agent were fine, was j/k. gl on finding that new job!
 

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Anybody get this movie to work? I couldn't get it to download the whole movie to my veoh player. Actually, I got it to download, but it just has audio and no video. The video is just a bunch of wavy psychadelic lines that sort of go w/those music players to show the volume.

kneifl
 

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Kneifl. I was having problems too..

What I actually did was go into my VLC media player (google it-its free). Then I found where Veoh had downloaded the file to on my computer and manually opened it through VLC. In my case I found it in the My Videos file in My Documents. It was called "ick".

VLC pretty much plays anything, it's awesome.
 

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As embarresed as I am to have you as my mentee, I will never give anyone a red card. For that matter, I will never give anyone a green card. Let me yellow card you as my cautionary warning. I do not believe in God, UFO's or the card system.

I am just ashamed of you. You are bright, imaginative, creative, and were damn close to being an elite poster like myself. You were the son I should have had. I love you Maximus.

Instead what have you turned out to be? Shall I call you Hillary? McCain? No, I think I shall call thee, Commodus. You've killed your father.

Eddie

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-- imaloser anonymous classes are taking their toll on Sponges father ;)
 

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'I haven't seen 'Sicko,'" says Avril Allen about the new Michael Moore documentary, which advocates socialized medicine for the United States. The film, which has been widely viewed on the Internet, and which will officially open in the U.S. and Canada on Friday, has been getting rave reviews. But Ms. Allen, a lawyer, has no plans to watch it. She's just too busy preparing to file suit against Ontario's provincial government about its health-care system next month.

Her client, Lindsay McCreith, would have had to wait for four months just to get an MRI, and then months more to see a neurologist for his malignant brain tumor. Instead, frustrated and ill, the retired auto-body shop owner traveled to Buffalo, N.Y., for a lifesaving surgery. Now he's suing for the right to opt out of Canada's government-run health care, which he considers dangerous.


Ms. Allen figures the lawsuit has a fighting chance: In 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that "access to wait lists is not access to health care," striking down key Quebec laws that prohibited private medicine and private health insurance.

In the U.S., 83 House Democrats voted for a bill in 1993 calling for single-payer health care. That idea collapsed with HillaryCare and since then has existed on the fringes of the debate -- winning praise from academics and pressure groups, but remaining largely out of the political discussion. Mr. Moore's documentary intends to change that, exposing millions to his argument that American health care is sick and socialized medicine is the cure.

It's not simply that Mr. Moore is wrong. His grand tour of public health care systems misses the big story: While he prescribes socialism, market-oriented reforms are percolating in cities from Stockholm to Saskatoon.

Mr. Moore goes to London, Ontario, where he notes that not a single patient has waited in the hospital emergency room more than 45 minutes. "It's a fabulous system," a woman explains. In Britain, he tours a hospital where patients marvel at their free care. A patient's husband explains: "It's not America." Humorously, Mr. Moore finds a cashier dispensing money to patients (for transportation). In France, a doctor explains the success of the health-care system with the old Marxist axiom: "You pay according to your means, and you receive according to your needs."

It's compelling material -- I know because, born and raised in Canada, I used to believe in government-run health care. Then I was mugged by reality.

Consider, for instance, Mr. Moore's claim that ERs don't overcrowd in Canada. A Canadian government study recently found that only about half of patients are treated in a timely manner, as defined by local medical and hospital associations. "The research merely confirms anecdotal reports of interminable waits," reported a national newspaper. While people in rural areas seem to fare better, Toronto patients receive care in four hours on average; one in 10 patients waits more than a dozen hours.

This problem hit close to home last year: A relative, living in Winnipeg, nearly died of a strangulated bowel while lying on a stretcher for five hours, writhing in pain. To get the needed ultrasound, he was sent by ambulance to another hospital.

In Britain, the Department of Health recently acknowledged that one in eight patients wait more than a year for surgery. Around the time Mr. Moore was putting the finishing touches on his documentary, a hospital in Sutton Coldfield announced its new money-saving linen policy: Housekeeping will no longer change the bed sheets between patients, just turn them over. France's system failed so spectacularly in the summer heat of 2003 that 13,000 people died, largely of dehydration. Hospitals stopped answering the phones and ambulance attendants told people to fend for themselves.

With such problems, it's not surprising that people are looking for alternatives. Private clinics -- some operating in a "gray zone" of the law -- are now opening in Canada at a rate of about one per week.

Canadian doctors, once quiet on the issue of private health care, elected Brian Day as president of their national association. Dr. Day is a leading critic of Canadian medicare; he opened a private surgery hospital and then challenged the government to shut it down. "This is a country," Dr. Day said by way of explanation, "in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years."

Market reforms are catching on in Britain, too. For six decades, its socialist Labour Party scoffed at the very idea of private medicine, dismissing it as "Americanization." Today Labour favors privatization, promising to triple the number of private-sector surgical procedures provided within two years. The Labour government aspires to give patients a choice of four providers for surgeries, at least one of them private, and recently considered the contracting out of some primary-care services -- perhaps even to American companies.

Other European countries follow this same path. In Sweden, after the latest privatizations, the government will contract out some 80% of Stockholm's primary care and 40% of total health services, including Stockholm's largest hospital. Beginning before the election of the new conservative chancellor, Germany enhanced insurance competition and turned state enterprises over to the private sector (including the majority of public hospitals). Even in Slovakia, a former Marxist country, privatizations are actively debated.

Under the weight of demographic shifts and strained by the limits of command-and-control economics, government-run health systems have turned out to be less than utopian. The stories are the same: dirty hospitals, poor standards and difficulty accessing modern drugs and tests.

Admittedly, the recent market reforms are gradual and controversial. But facts are facts, the reforms are real, and they represent a major trend in health care. What does Mr. Moore's documentary say about that? Nothing.
 

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American response workers were refused Medical aid by the American Military at the Guantanamo Concentration facility in Cuba. They were treated in Havana by Cuban doctors
Justify that. Guantanamo residents are treated daily
 

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you might wanna see it. he refutes your 2nd paragraph quite well.

reddick....if you think that the average cuban citizen gets the quality of care that the average american citizen gets,then you`re living in la-la land...

the fact that michael moore takes some people down to cuba for treatment to disparage his own country yet again....and castro cooperates and gives these people special treatment in order to embarrass the u.s.........

that shocks you?...you think the average cuban gets this treatment?....

how many american boat people escape this country and flee to cuba every year?.....

i love you guys...guy`s whose standard of living equals or exceeds any people`s on the face of this earth.....whining and crying....

it just shows how soft...how out of touch with reality you really are...

btw...eddie...did you hate those 3 years you spent in 7th grade?
 
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Weasel: Why don't you watch the movie and put together a response based on the movie. Your tactics are getting as tired as ol' Wayno's.

I saw the movie at the theater this morning and loved it. I'm skeptical, but I think there is a lot of truth to it. The part about health care companies finding ways to avoid providing care is an absolute truth. The problem with health care is that the industry is more interested in increasing profitability than its level of care. For the dumbasses that point towards "socialism" when universal healthcare is brought up, Moore answers with our current socialist endeavors......the fire department, police department, etc.

Universal Health Care is the answer. Some day, you'll understand just how bad it really is, and you'll probably not be in a position to travel abroad to pursue other options. Pointing out the problems that have arised in other Health Care systems doesn't make the US system better.
 

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Change will happen there is no choice. Folks with insurance going broke. Companies not paying as much towards premiums. More companies not offering any at all.
 

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Any care a Cuban gets is more than 44 million Americans get.

Its amazing how rich republicans can brain wash not so rich republicans into thinking this would be bad for the country. These guys are also experts on the Canadian healthcare system but i never see one Canadians complain.:shrug:
 

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I just watched the movie,and I feel very pissed about the people that worked at ground zero not receiving medical care.I agree that our medical system,I guess you can call it that needs a complete work over.I lived in Germany for nearly 3 years,was in auto accident and was taken to a german hospital,and I do not believe I could not have been taken care of any better than they did.Moore mentioned in the movie our whole problem,in the US the medical industry is in it for profit not for the care of the US citizens.
 

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I just watched the movie,and I feel very pissed about the people that worked at ground zero not receiving medical care.I agree that our medical system,I guess you can call it that needs a complete work over.I lived in Germany for nearly 3 years,was in auto accident and was taken to a german hospital,and I do not believe I could not have been taken care of any better than they did.Moore mentioned in the movie our whole problem,in the US the medical industry is in it for profit not for the care of the US citizens.

Hey bud keep that down about Germany's health care system okay. The uninformed are more worried about Canada's system. Don't overload them, they have it all figured out. They don't want to hear anything about anothers healthcare system cause they like to pile on Canada's just like their pigeon masters tell them to. Im still waiting for one Canadian to tell me how much their system sucks.:shrug:
 
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Hang on a second - according to Weasel and DTB, Germany is totally conservative now. I'm sure they're dropping that socialized medical system anyday now.:rolleyes:
 
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