Slavery is wrong.

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Fat shoe contracts built on backs of slave workers


Prep basketball sensation LeBron James signed a $90 million endorsement deal with Nike last week.
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Thirteen-year-old prodigy Freddy Adu, born in Ghana but now an American citizen, signed a $1 million deal with Nike this week.
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Teenage soccer sensation Freddy Adu should know better, having been born in the West African nation of Ghana.

Teenage basketball bonus baby LeBron James should know better, too, being an African-American by birth.

Slavery is wrong.

It doesn't matter whether an individual is "owned" as property or whether an individual is enslaved to another through a job with substandard wages and deplorable working conditions.

Slavery is wrong.

Certainly, Adu, even at the tender age of 13, should know that. Ghana, where he spent the first 7 1/2 years of his life before his family moved to Washington, D.C., is located on what once was known as Africa's Slave Coast.


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James, at 18, should know it, too -- if not from stories passed down through the generations, then from reading about it in history books at St. Vincent-St. Mary High School in Akron, Ohio.

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Slavery is wrong.

Apparently, neither Adu nor James noticed when they recently agreed to lucrative shoe contracts with footwear giant Nike that May had been designated Month of Global Action Against Sweatshops by, among others, Global Exchange, a San Francisco-based human rights organization.

No. 1 on the 15-year-old organization's hit list: Nike.

Citing documentation that Nike has only marginally improved pay and labor conditions for factory workers in Indonesia, China and Vietnam, where its extensive line of shoes is made, Global Exchange has been soliciting protests at Nike outlets or Nike-selling stores across the country through the end of this month.

Longer, if the mood strikes you.

While Global Exchange hasn't publicly condemned the likes of James, the basketball phenom who last week came to terms with Nike on an estimated $90 million, multiyear shoe contract, or Adu, the soccer prodigy who agreed this week to a $1 million endorsement package, the irony that these black athletes are making fortunes off the stooped backs of workers getting paid between $3 and $4 per day isn't lost on organization officials.

"This is the question I pose to people and that I would pose to the two (athletes) you've mentioned to me: Would you want your sister to work in one of these factories?" says Kevin Danaher, co-founder of Global Exchange. "The answer, of course, is no. Well, if you wouldn't want your sister to work there, then why would you want to benefit from it?"

Danaher's tone grows angry as he furthers his thought.

"I'll tell you what it is," he says. "These people end up blocking their consciousness about where the money is actually coming from."

Following a CBS News report in 1997 that claimed Nike was paying its Southeast Asian work force, most of it female, no more than $2 per day, company chairman Philip Knight promised there would be changes. Pay rates did improve, but only slightly -- to $4 per day in Indonesia and to $3 per day in China and Vietnam.

However, it costs about $2 per day in Vietnam just to purchase basic food items -- rice, beans, fish -- for a family of four.

"After Knight's promises, we sent an investigative team over there (Southeast Asia) to check things out," Danaher says. "What we found is what he promised was pure bullshit. He lied. He was counting on the public to forget about it.

"We haven't."

As documented in a 100-page book Danaher says will soon be released.

"To all of these athletes who sign these million-dollar deals with Nike -- and that includes guys like (golfer) Tiger Woods -- I say think what it's called that you're doing. It's called `branding,' " Danaher explains. "Once that Nike swoosh is your logo, on your hat and shirt and shoes, that's your brand.

"Think of what you're saying to the youth of this country about what you stand for with that brand. Sure, I guess you can rationalize it to yourself because of the money. But, again, it's `whose poor pay and poor working conditions did you make that money off of?' "

For LeBron James, something specific to consider: To cover his $90 million endorsement deal, 1,000 Vietnamese factory workers making $3 per day would have to toil 30,000 days each -- or 82.2 years apiece -- without a day off.

Maybe a grown-up James, 100 years old at that point, could appreciate the fact that slavery hasn't disappeared.

It's only changed skin color. :nooo:



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Not the "all shoe companies are Satan" argument again. I spent a good deal of time studying Far Eastern economies (not as they relate to US companies however) and make no mistake, while US companies may not pay a lot vs. what WE expect to make in the United States (IE - no one would take a factory job here for $4 day), they are head and shoulders above how these people were doing. A lot of people in these areas used to work for 25, 50 cents a day. The average rural worker in China makes $280/yr, now they can make 2-3 times that working in a shoe factory. Is it a great wage by our US standards? Of course not. But making 3 times the national average given the alternative?

Just out of curiosity, how much do people think Nike should pay? Should they base their scale on our minimum wage? Should we export OSHA controls? I am not saying they are right or wrong, just wondering exactly what the idealists wish were reality in terms of economics.

I know a number of US companies have had abuse problems in their overseas factories stemming from not having controls in place over how their workers are treated, so it should be noted these practices are common not just among shoe companies, but also US textile/clothing and numerous other MNCs
 
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Some people obviously don't have a problem with it.
Slave labor period.

Let someone you care about work in a sweat shop & see if you look at it in a different light.
I'm certain you wouldn't buy Nike again.
 
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SC since I couldnt tell if your thanks was sarcastic or not, I ask you, what do you propose any US company do?

They pay anywhere from 3 - 30 times the national average wage in their factories. Three times the national average may not be great on OUR scale, again no one would work in a US factory for $4 a day, but isnt it better than the 25 cents a day they were making?

Like I said, Im not supporting them, just providing some economics to the situation from my backgorund and I am truly interested in hearing what people think is the solution.
 

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No factory worker would take a job for 4 bucks in this country. Why should he/her. Only if it means you lose everything. Thats been on going now for 25 years. But lets go deeper. No Doctor, no Insurance salesman, No Carbage hauler. And on we go. It's more then the factory worker. It' so easy. If you believe what these companies are doing is wrong. Don't buy there product. Pay the worker chit. Give tons of dollars to whom ever. Then stick you with that high price. Many places 4 bucks a day is like gold.
Heck lets get some of those no good congressman to work for 4 bucks a day. Make it 3 bucks thats good enough. Most them help screw the little guy anyway.
 

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Maybe they are only paying 3-4 dollars a day... big deal!

I haven't seen the footage of these workers walking out of the factory or not showing up. Better yet... why dont they just quit if they dont like it?

Oh wait, because they are HAPPY to just get a paycheck so they dont live in the streets!

Seriously, the next thing I see coming out of the mouths of these hippy freaks fighting for higher wages for the non-skilled is they are going to start telling us dropping a quarter in the rattling can of some bum isnt enough, these bums shake those cans hard all day long on the street corner and we should be giving them more than a handful of change.

What the f&ck is WRONG with this world?
 

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marine said:
Oh wait, because they are HAPPY to just get a paycheck so they dont live in the streets!

Seriously, the next thing I see coming out of the mouths of these hippy freaks fighting for higher wages for the non-skilled is they are going to start telling us dropping a quarter in the rattling can of some bum isnt enough, these bums shake those cans hard all day long on the street corner and we should be giving them more than a handful of change.

What the f&ck is WRONG with this world?
Couldnt agree more on all fronts. Some of the poverty I saw in this part of the world makes you sick to your stomach. These workers see $4 a day as a small fortune compared to 25 cents a day, its the activists in this country that are the ones pissed off.
 

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I gotta say I never thought I would see people disagreeing in a thread that reads Slavery Is Wrong. Especially people who are so proud of freeing Iraq. :shrug:
 

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If certain people have these major moral dillemmas about the wages of workers in foreign countries, I highly suggest they go back and recant their high and mighty positions on NAFTA. Thats North American Free Trade Agreement... you know.. the one where we took thousands of jobs from the working class here in america and shipped the work off to mexico so we could pay those workers half the salary to do the same job.....

God forbid we have some guy here in america working his tail off to make a decent, honest living when you can farm that job down to 3 Mexicans for the same price as that one worker here.
 

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marine said:
If the one where we took thousands of jobs from the working class here in america and shipped the work off to mexico so we could pay those workers half the salary to do the same job.....

I didn't do crapola, nor do I agree with those who did.
I'm not "we" ;)
 

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Please wake up ,
Its not gonna be a nation v.s nation war . It used to be US against the germans , US against the Russians ,US against the japanese, recently, US against the taliban , US against terrorism . SEE THE SHIFT ???? We arte no longer fighting a country as we are fighting an ideal . It was say 10 years ago we started hearing (in the mainstream) about how the "world was getting smaller" due to tech. That co-insides with the MEGA MERGER , GLOBAL ECONOMY ! No longer is the business of a nation wholly dependent upon the nation that it calls home. The term "multi-national" comes to mind , companies are broadening THEIR horizens , THEIR agendas , the idea is : consolidate what was once a nation , now CONSOLIDATE THE WORLD . To stay on topic , can ANY of you explain to me where , the import/export tax tax is (supposedly) meant to keep a balance on both existing econimies and yet , SLAVE labor like this is ALLOWED to exist ? rep./dem/ind/ ... matters not . Tis a consolidation of power where , "WE THE PEOPLE" are fodder (grease) for the machine . Honestly , ask yourselves , is this the FIRST time you have heard of "slave labor" ??? Nothing (meaningful) has been done in the past , nothing will be done now , ask yourselves why ? Bottom line is , a "class" revolt is on the horizon , somewhere , sometime , the gap is widening , and the people are starting to notice . GT
 

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For those that still casually throw around that phrase "slave labor", I want you to do three things.

1). Explain why you use that phrase. 99.9% of the people that actually work these jobs, they are HAPPY to have jobs! Yes, you read that right. These are families some of whom used to leave in the streets, or in horrific poverty making dimes (thats 10 cents) a day. Now they can make $4 a day and up. They are happy, its the protestors in this country who are upset.

2). What, specifically, should we pay them? Is 5x the national average wage of their country not enough? Should it be 50? Should we pay them what a factory worker here would make?

3). If you are worried about the wellfare of the citizens of those countries, which most protestors usually seem to imply, would you rather all the US companies left and they go back to living in the streets making 25 cents a day? Would that improve these peoples lives?

I want you to think about what the word "slave" implies and realize how out of line it may be to use that in this case. These people willingly take jobs that on average pay 5x what anyone else they know makes. Now to me, the word "slave" does not connotate someone working willingly for 5x national pay. I dont even know what the average wage in the US is, but lets say its $16,000. If someone here was willingly working at a job paying $80,000/yr, would you consider them slaves? So its only in a foreign country I guess, where average wages are below the US, that the word applies?

Not related to Nike, but to MNCs in general - People have to realize that this economy is not so ME ME ME, Americacentric anymore. Its not the 1950s anymore where IBM is just going to build a big factory and hire US workers and thats the bottom line. In order for the huge US companies to get large factory orders from other countries, and to get the big long-term business to support our workers, sometimes we have to farm out work to other countries. Not because we want to, but thats how deals are done. Example - Back when the US government was trying to land airbases in Turkey, they were working with the maker of the F-15 on the deal because the deal would have meant XXX new aircraft being built, very good for the American economy, tons of new jobs. However, Turkey wanted in return that company to build a factory in Turkey and hire Turkish workers to make the canopy for the F-15. Sometimes thats how its done.

Thats an unrelated example but more to point - The success of American companies, and therfore their ability to maintain their big factories in the US and continue to employ all the workers they employ here, depends on their success globaly, not just their success in the US. We have only 300 million consumers in this country, but China and India combined have over 2 billion. If a large American say shoe company, based in America and employing tens of thousands US workers wanted to open a factory in China (which increases sales and its ability to do business in the US) but employing Chinese workers and paying wages on par with the Chinese average wage, why would you say no?

I cant argue with some of the factory conditions there, but then again, I cant say that all of the factories I've been to in the US seem like a walk in the park to work at either. Though some here would certainly be able to speak to this better than I would.
 
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NAFTA our congress just loved and still does NAFTA. It was going to see those folks from south of the border were happy with jobs. Even if it was 1,2 or 3 bucks a hour. Does not seem to work. Over 1 million a year try to sneak acrosse that border. They want to come to the promised land. Chit 100's of companies took of to Asia. They do pay less then a buck there in many places. And yes there happy. So i guess we all should be more like Asia and Mexico and Iraq. What the hell wrong with all of us Americans. We think were better then everyone else. Or what is it. We left 3 bucks a hour behind in the 70's. I would say many of you younger ones here shoud be happy about that. You only have what your Dad/Mom gave you because they didn't work for a buck anymore. Greed caused a lot of this. And the American worker did not even come close to causing half of these problems. Look to large companies and the hand out thay got from congress.
Then money is handed out like candy by some companies. It's dam near a sin. Will not pay there workers. But give kids millions. Like I said before if you don't like companies that do this. Just don't buy there goods. And by the way you dont have to look over seas for all slave wages. You can still fine that here. I see once or twice a year they raid some joint in NYC. I gues they call them a steam shop. With alittle luck they get 3 bucks.
 

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These American companies have millions to give to some kid freak of nature ball player but when it comes to improving the working conditions for their cheap labor they wring there hands and say they don't know anything about the conditions. It is not their factory, they just contract the work out. When they are caught they say they had no idea conditions where so bad.
I am sure some situations are like Ace explains where the worker is happy to go to work and have a job that pays him very well for his country. But the ones I am talking about are the sweat shops that employ kids that work 12 hours a day.
 

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Sure Nike has 90 million to invest when they know that buys them 2 or 3 new lines of expensive pairs of basketball shoes, new clothing lines to go with it, new commercials and billions of dollars in potential revenue. Stevie I know you may think it looks like it, but its not like Nike "gave" this kid money out of the goodness of their hearts because they are really nice guys, theyre businessmen. If $90 million out = $ 2 billion in, who wouldnt give it? More importantly, their competitors DONT get them. Their job is to make money and increase stock value.

Everytime basketball shoes cross a certain barrier, I say shit, no one will buy those shoes. $140, $180, $200 for a pair of FREAKING SHOES! Whose the moron in this case, the businessman who makes the shoes for his company and stockholders or the idiots who buy a new pair of shoes every time they come out because they think $200 is going to improve their poopoo jump shot?

STOP BUYING THE DAMN SHOES PEOPLE! Believe me, if no one was buying them, they wouldnt be making them.
 
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Last time I checked slaves weren't paid at all.

:shrug:

Has no one heard of a "cost of living" wage?

People who work for Bellsouth and live in Atlanta make more money than the people who live in Birmingham due to the "cost of living" even though they do the same job.

If a company doesn't pay competative wages they lose thier employees. I understand the culture may be different but I'm sure Nike pays enough to survive in vietnam.

Ace is right, if you don't like a company don't support them. Boycott what they promote and vote with your wallet. Better yet....vote by not using your wallet.
 

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I do not wear the sneakers or fancy logo shirts myself. And that is a good question about who is buying these shoes? Certainly not the ghetto kids these ads are aimed at. Most likely it is upperclass, white rapper kids who can afford them. Or drug dealer kids. I dunno who else could afford them.
 
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