Slavery is wrong.

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Stevie I dont know either. Sometime last year I was looking in a Foot Locker window, they had some new version of the Air Jordan that came in a metal suitcase with a CD of some kind, it was around $235. I was laughing and the employee watching the door came out and I talked to him for maybe 5 minutes about it. He said its ABSURD the number of people buying them that for the time being they were out of stock in what he called the "normal" sizes. He said half the time it was just young adults buying them but half the time it was parents buying them for their kids. What kind of a fvcked up world are we living in? My childhood wasnt eons ago, but my parents made my ass get a part time job if I wanted new shoes and I sure as hell wasnt buying $200 shoes.

So I cant blame the companies, they only make what people buy.
 

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Hey you guys are dead on. Dont buy them if you feal its best not to. You here about time warp. I fit that. It does open my eyes to remember by first full time job after the Army payed 54 bucks a week. That was for 42 hours. Take out a few bucks for taxes. And I had about 40 bucks left. Yes taxes were that low then. Now a pair of nikes and others cost more then I cleared in a month in 1961. I do wonder why. I know many of the folks making those shoes. Well there still getting payed about the same as I did in 1961. Someone's makeing some good proffits. And a pair of Converse High Tops in 1961, 6 to 10 bucks. A real nice pull over shirt. $1.98. Not $35 to $50.
 

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I guess I can't blame the shoe folks for making the shoes as cheaply as they can, but I don't like the "rationale" about these workers making 'two to three times' what they were making, and thinking that is a step up.

Shit, if you had 50 homeless people (bums), and they lived on a bite of an old sandwich and 5 crackers each day, and you now gave them three bites, and 15 crackers, would that be good? I sure as shit don't think so! By your line of thinking though, they should be grateful.

You say they make $280 a year in China. What does that equate to in our terms? (U.S.) You can't say it's the same as what our mean wage is. Can the Chinese go to the movies? Out to eat? Buy a car and a house? I don't know, as I am not versed on the economics of other countries, but I am doubting it.

I think the point being made here, was that if you can pay these kids $90M to push your shit, you were willing to pay more. Give that "extra" to the workers who make the product. (But.....that would go against the idea of making money for the company.)

I just doubt that the workers over there are living high on the hog.
 

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Global Trance - you are soooooooooooo right. It is very unfortunate that most people cannot or simply refuse to see the shift.
 

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Ferdville you are seeing things that us older ones have watched for 25 years. The gap is not just here but everywhere. Some places much worse and others like Japan not as bad. When a nation can not have a minium wage that is not above poverty. It is one of the strarting points. Some folks say well those who make 26000 and less deserve no tax break they pay none. Well maybe at 20000 and less that is true. But those from 20000 and up pay taxes. And the gap from 20000 to 26000 is 7% of our population. They will see soon there tax break is zero or very very little. Someone always said no taxes come from the poorley paid. Not true. Get a partime job that pays 7/8 bucks a hour. Hey they with hold tax on those checks every week from those folks.
I believed as many here do that a solid minium wage was not good. I started wondering about 10 years ago if i was wrong. It's starting to look that I was wrong. Not only does a proper minium wage help folks grow. But if done the rght way the IRS could gather more taxes to help all of us. It also would help stop the wideing gap of those who have. And those who dont. This in it's own small way could help stop some of the as you say SHIFT.
 

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What a great thread.

What a great thread.

Wonder who started it ? :eek:

J/K the best thing is nobody is pissed off at anyone.
I like these types of threads. Informative & varied opinions by adults ;)
 

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found this in yesterdays paper

found this in yesterdays paper

Not slaves

To the editor:

Joe Hawk's May 29 commentary, "Fat shoe contracts built on backs of slave workers," is over the top. I lived in Indonesia in 1990 when the Nike factory outside Jakarta was built. When Nike started hiring, there were enormous lines of volunteers for the jobs. The pay of $2 per day sounds ridiculous to Americans, but it was very attractive to the Indonesians. Nike also provided bus transport to move workers to and from their surrounding villages. Lunch facilities were provided and Nike may have paid for those lunches.

When Nike expanded the plant, the enormous lines of eager workers again appeared. If the pay was raised to $4 per day in the early 1990s, that would have been higher than usual in the area, and very well received on an island with terrible unemployment. These Indonesian workers were not slaves; they were happy to be working.

Westerners have trouble accepting the fact that some countries have very low wage structures. Groups such as Global Exchange in San Francisco keep meddling in labor areas they do not understand. If Western companies paid wages greatly over the local norm, it would lead to instability in the labor marketplace. If Nike were forced to pay very high wages in Indonesia, their competitors in other low-wage countries would soon take their market share and the Indonesian workers of Nike might again be unemployed.

Low cost labor overseas is employed doing many things that would be done differently, or by machines, in industrialized nations. For example, in 1990 I hired about 50 men from an Indonesian village to do dirt work on a construction project. These men worked hard for 50 cents an hour and did a great job. The dirt work job would normally have been done, in an industrialized country, by earth-moving equipment at about the same cost. But we employed about 50 men who really welcomed the work. They were not "slave workers."

RICHARD N. FULTON

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senor, my friend i have been reading this thread & when you started it your position on this issue was that it was slave labor. now you posted this article saying that this person who has witnessed the reaction of the people to this job showed that it wasn't slave labor. these postings show that you are "fair & balanced". good job, maybe fox news would hire you(lol).

good job!


i am surprised that no body has mentioned the various sweat-shops that are spread out through this country. that is where the injustice is.illegal aliens are hired at very low wages & are threatened with deportation if they don't follow orders.

i remember years ago when a sweat-shop was busted in nyc. it seemed that the owner of this shop was black mailing his workers, who were from either china, or korea. he told them that they had to pay off a sum of $$, before they would be able to leave their job. it seems that this guy bought these workers.
after the bust, the authorities found that there was about a dozen illegals sharing a 2 bedroom ap't. in chinatown.

nyc doesn't have the monopoly on these shops, i read that these type of shops are spread throughout the country.
 
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AR182 said:

i am surprised that no body has mentioned the various sweat-shops that are spread out through this country

That is because people really don't give a shit. Oh, it's all good to wring your hands when it's front page news, but once it dies down, there is a new cause to beat your drum to.

Sadly.......we are the "fat American's" that the rest of the world claims we are.
 
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