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Chadman

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Better yet - wait until we have to sell the east coast and California to China to be able to pay for the monstrous health care plan.....

As long as less than 50% of the country pay Federal income tax, we'lll have a huge problem, with the folks that don't contribute (over half the country!) voting themselves rich - which is why we have Obama today... it certainly isn't due to his "leadership"

Lower tax rates for the "rich" and eliminate the deductions, so everyone feels the pain of paying Federal Income tax - it is appaling that less than half of our country contribute to federal income tax.....

How's that for ya! :00hour

Mags, I've been proposing this idea for quite a while, as I think a flat tax across the board with no deductions is a common sense thing. I've often asked the wealthier on this board to explain what they think is a fair tax rate to keep our country going from a sensible perspective, and if they/we would be ok with giving up ALL their various deductions to make that a reality.

I have not seen one person answer either question. And volunteer to give up their deductions, most of all. I invite you, or anyone, to jump in here. What is a fair tax rate (as you understand it), and would you give up ALL your deductions to make that happen?
 

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Moreover, are those of you willing to participate in the above scenario willing to cut conservative themed programs such as the military budget, and not just the programs you deem as being unnecessary and harmful? I understand the government is supposed to defend and protect us, but the current outlay for this "service" is extremely arguable, in most people's common sense view (IMO).
 

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Moreover, are those of you willing to participate in the above scenario willing to cut conservative themed programs such as the military budget, and not just the programs you deem as being unnecessary and harmful? I understand the government is supposed to defend and protect us, but the current outlay for this "service" is extremely arguable, in most people's common sense view (IMO).
Perhaps our conservative friends could point out the Constitutional Articles that address nation building and military bases on foreign soil (nearly 800 of them). :shrug:
 

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Better yet - wait until we have to sell the east coast and California to China to be able to pay for the monstrous health care plan.....
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Mags

Please read the sky is falling by ducky duttle

Its about your speed on this subject
 

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holy chit

:142smilie :142smilie

Question clown--
Read the following--

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/

U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says

Do you really think our medical people and facilties are 2nd worst in modern world or is there another reason---

DUH!

Your inabilty to comprehend the simplest of logic is unbelievable--
 

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Perhaps our conservative friends could point out the Constitutional Articles that address nation building and military bases on foreign soil (nearly 800 of them). :shrug:

Fat chance, but skulnuts, doggie and rusty are working on it. Like three monkeys working on calculus. :mj17:
 
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Your inabilty to comprehend the simplest of logic is unbelievable--

Don't even act like you are capable of critical thinking, doggie.

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doggie doing some investigative work in the local bath house.
 

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PS

where is that little smiling fawker you post after everything you say


There were 10 people killed in Iraq today :)
 

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Perhaps our conservative friends could point out the Constitutional Articles that address nation building and military bases on foreign soil (nearly 800 of them). :shrug:

I think it's closer to or over 1000, based on the numerous bases built in Iraq and the 'Stan?
 

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Scott
I was simple bringing a point to your attention-
Might have been interesting to some and some not--

but if you note the posts that followed from you -the tramp-and muffy--you get the same as usual liberal intellectual research/rebuttal.

Some things never change-- :yawn:
 

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Scott
I was simple bringing a point to your attention-
Might have been interesting to some and some not--

but if you note the posts that followed from you -the tramp-and muffy--you get the same as usual liberal intellectual research/rebuttal.

Some things never change-- :yawn:
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Listen Dogs

Lets be real.

Talk to us in one paragraph or less.

What do you think about military spending right now in America ?

Would you be willing to cut it to decrease the huge deficits we are facing ?

Come on Dogs you can do it . For once just answer a simple question in your own words
 

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Listen Dogs

Lets be real.

Talk to us in one paragraph or less.

What do you think about military spending right now in America ?

Would you be willing to cut it to decrease the huge deficits we are facing ?

Come on Dogs you can do it . For once just answer a simple question in your own words

Always answer any reasonable question Scott.

Would I be willing to cut defence budget -Yes
Would I like to cut defence budget-absolutely

Would be nice if no one had to spend a penny on defence--but not an option

Defence spending should be coming down per ending war in Iraq --

Remember what I have told you several times--

Spending on wars are always temporary in nature--
Spending on social programs are always-on going and escalating.

Would also be for reducing foreign aid substantially-especially to our enemies--freeze politicians pay until they start reducing deficit--and make them purchase their own insurance from same pools we do--among among other things
 

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Always answer any reasonable question Scott.

Would I be willing to cut defence budget -Yes
Would I like to cut defence budget-absolutely

Would be nice if no one had to spend a penny on defence--but not an option

Defence spending should be coming down per ending war in Iraq --

Remember what I have told you several times--

Spending on wars are always temporary in nature--
Spending on social programs are always-on going and escalating.

Would also be for reducing foreign aid substantially-especially to our enemies--freeze politicians pay until they start reducing deficit--and make them purchase their own insurance from same pools we do--among among other things

Spending on wars is not temporary. The rich profit from wars. Your little neo-con buddies make too much on war. Just think of how many wars we have been involved with. Its ongoing and it will not stop. Plus don't give me this war vs welfare crap. One kills innocent people for nothing and the other helps your handicapped neighbor. You really need to get off that corporate tit you illiterate warmonger.
 

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Mags, I've been proposing this idea for quite a while, as I think a flat tax across the board with no deductions is a common sense thing. I've often asked the wealthier on this board to explain what they think is a fair tax rate to keep our country going from a sensible perspective, and if they/we would be ok with giving up ALL their various deductions to make that a reality.

I have not seen one person answer either question. And volunteer to give up their deductions, most of all. I invite you, or anyone, to jump in here. What is a fair tax rate (as you understand it), and would you give up ALL your deductions to make that happen?

Chad - thanks for responding. It is nice to see a response that isn't full of name calling, etc, which seems to be the only way to respond to discussions by some of the guys on this board (Scott, Muffy, etc). But it is easy enough to skip over those posts, since there is never anything important in their responses - just name calling typicallly (I assume not all liberals are like that?)

While I'm pretty certain I'm not one of the wealthy folks on this board, I'd love to have a true flat tax for personal income taxes (this would be more difficult for business or corporate taxes obviously).

Think about the simplicity of filing your returns:

1. No deductions - no mortagage interest, no real estate taxes, no personal exemptions, no child exemptions, no earned income credit - basically, your income is your income.

2. No more AMT! There will be no need for this anymore.

3. The rich will pay more in taxes (not sure if this is a good thing, as the top 2% pay 50% of the FIT already). But they would pay more under this scenario.

4. Anybody that does make income would pay FIT - which is appropriate and good, so everyone "feels" the pain of paying taxes and not just voting themselves rich.

5. At the same time, everybody files as a single filer - no more marriage penalty. If you make income, you pay taxes.

I've read in a number of articles that it is estimated that a 14-15% tax rate would replace our current tax level, if we went to this approach. That seems like a fair number.

Off topic - but I fail to understand (even though I'm not affected by this - I wish I was!), but if we are going to extend the Bush tax cuts, why not extend them to all? Since the top 2% (which is the over $250K crowd already pay 50% of the overall FIT) - it just seems fair that they get a break too. Actually, that number just blows me away - without those rich people, our country wouldn't function.

But, back to the original - yes, flat tax to all, I'd love that. Take away the deductions (and you have to take them ALL away, not just some), and I think you'll have the fairest system. Now I do have some concerns that it could hurt the real estate market, but it's so bad now, maybe now would be the time to take away the mortgage interest deduction since it can't get a lot worse?????
 

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I am in total agreement of a fair tax.

I also know that this will never and I mean never happen in the USA

Just follow the fawking money.

IRS will have to make deep cuts in personel as they will not be needed to look at tax returns, forms, changes, and everything else they do or dont do.

Accountants and the like would never allow this.

It would put them out of fawking business quick.

Get real

Fair tax is for dreamers and fantasy football players

I think Mags qualifys on both counts
 
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