Somalia? Bush has His.

[ctownguy]

It's really too bad that most of you on the left who seem to be very intelligent, keep getting their news and info from only one source and that is the big 4 left wing slanted elitists media.

If that was the only place I got my facts, yea real facts, I would probably interpret them the same way, but there is no way they have an objective view and this clarke fiasco is a perfect example.

I could go on and on, but I'm not going to change anyones mind on any of this because most of you are going to believe what you want whether it is the truth or not, so be it. But if you on the left can honestly say that the media is not slanted on their coverage of all things political, then you are not as intelligent as I thought.

There are good and bad on both sides, but I firmly believe that all this nonsense about who makes money on what side that seems to permeate all these debates is just as bad on both sides, where were the lefts outrage when blow job billie was giving all our technology to the chinese, think he might have got rich from that and it goes on and on.

The public is being buffaloed by the elite media and unless you are in the center as mc says he is, but sure talks and walks like a left winger, they should be able to look at ALL THE FACTS and find that all this Bush bashing is an orchestrated political ambush to get him out of office and not a true investigative probe to find the truth.

AND MC AND HIS INDEPENDENT PALS FALL FOR ALL THIS GARBAGE JUST LIKE THE LOCK STEP SHEEP THEY ARE NO MATTER THAT THEY TRY AND PORTRAY THEMSELVES DIFFERENTLY, WHAT A JOKE :thefinger

 

[Master Capper]

Sorry Ctownguy, but I refuse to watch any Fox news channels or Communist cable, another right wing group that cannot tell the truth and continues to make false statements day after day. Maybe it's yourself that should spread your wings and tune into some unbiased programming and actually learn the truth:thefinger :thefinger

 

[ctownguy]

YOU JUST MADE MY POINT, YOU ARE NO MORE IN THE CENTER THAN I AM, YOUR A CLOSED MINED LEFT WINGER AND TYPICAL OF YOUR KIND TRY AND PORTRAY YOURSELF AS ABOVE IT ALL AND LOOK AT ALL SIDES, WHAT A JOKE.

JUST ADMIT IT WHAT YOU ARE AND QUIT TRYING TO BE WHAT YOUR NOT. YOUR TAKE ON LISTENING TO OTHER OUTLETS OF NEWS IS A JOKE, MY POINT WAS EXACTLY UNTIL FOX THERE WERE NONE AND THERE STILL ISN'T EXCEPT FOR FOX AND SOME LEVEL HEADED NEWS RADIO SHOWS.

BE HAPPY SUPPORTING A SOCIALSIT PARTY AND DON'T BE ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT.

 

[Master Capper]

Fox News is the worst network on TV, the most biased by far only a person of limited intelligence would waste their time with that crap. Ctownguy maybe you can expand your horizons and get the truth through PBS, BBC or National Public Radio. I cant stand CNN either since they are too far left IMO, but here are some typical lies by FOX:

FOX-TION: In March of 2003, O'Reilly told Good Morning America viewers that "if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again."

FACT: No WMD have been found. According to Reuters on 9/15/03, the Administration's hand picked weapons inspector has come up with no WMD on his visit to Iraq. "A draft report on the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq provides no solid evidence that Iraq had such arms when the United States invaded the country in March." (Note: the chemical weapons Bush was referring to at the time never materialized.)

FOX-TION: "However, once the war against Saddam begins, we expect every American to support our military and if they can't do that, to shut up. Americans and, indeed, our allies who actively work against our military once the war is underway will be considered enemies of the state by me. Just fair warning to you, Barbara Streisand, and others who see the world as you do." Fox News - Feb. 26, 2003

FACT: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -- U.S. Constitution - 1st Amendment

FOX-TION: "The fact that a load of weapons grade plutonium has disappeared from Nigeria should send a signal to all Americans that a nuclear device could be planted here. It is possible. And those with the mindset to do that have to be confronted?But you will not refute. You cannot refute, and neither can anyone else, that we have plutonium missing in Nigeria, we have two rogue governments, North Korea and Iraq, who are certainly capable of aiding and abetting people who will plant an atomic device, a nuclear device in a city in this country." [Bill O'Reilly, The O'Reilly Factor, March 4, 2003]

FACT: FACT: After the Nigerian government reported that a quantity of radioactive material had been stolen from a foreign oil company operating in the Niger Delta, the International Atomic Energy Agency sent a team to ascertain the nature of the problem. As it happened, the company which had lost its radioactive material was Halliburton. The missing materials were radioactive elements (beryllium and americium) used in locating cracks in oil pipelines. None of this material can be used to make a nuclear weapon. None of this material is plutonium. Nigeria has no known nuclear weapons program, and no means of producing weapons grade plutonium. Halliburton has no known nuclear weapons program, and no means of producing weapons grade plutonium. Neither beryllium nor americiums are lethal. [LA Times, 3/1/03; Houston Chronicle, 3/7/03; AP 2/21/03] [EPA.gov]

 

[Master Capper]

FOX-TION: (November 13, 2002 ): "We can handle the situation in Iraq, which I think needs to be dealt with and in fairly short order, and we can still finish the job of protecting against al Qaeda and another attack. I don't see why you think we're incapable really of doing both and doing both well."

FACT: Afghanistan remains unstable. Last February the UN released a report stating that opium production in Afghanistan is contributing to the instability and terror campaigns in Afghanistan. [Scoop.co.nw]

FOX-TION: (December 9, 2002): "And in northern Iraq today, this very day, al Qaeda is operating camps there, and they are attacking the Kurds in the north, and this has been well-documented and well chronicled. Now, if you're going to go after al Qaeda in every aspect, and obviously they have the support of Saddam, or we're not."

FACT: "Sec. of State Colin Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no 'smoking gun' proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of al-Qaeda. 'I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection,' Powell said." [NY Times, 1/9/04]

FOX-TION: (January 29, 2003): "Iraqis are not going to be bombed by the United States. The United States will use pinpoint accuracy, like we always do."

FACT: "But nonprofit groups in Iraq and the United States say there were thousands of civilian casualties, many more than in the recent conflict in Afghanistan or the Persian Gulf War of 1991." [NY Times 3/18/03].

FOX-TION: "But one of the things that I am?really, really, really good [sic] about is David Kay, who's the chief weapons inspector now, he's compiled what he believes to be the mother load of documents and evidence that we have the case, we have the proof. He's not coming out until it's all been verified and all been put together. And I think a lot of these guys on the left that weren't there to help us defeat this animal and this madman and his two raping, vicious, murdering sons, I think they're going to have an awful lot of egg on their face."

FACT: "We have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material."
-Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay [CIA.gov]

FOX-TION: (August 20, 2003): "Mr. Speaker, did you notice that not only were all the predictions of liberals and Democrats in this country wrong on every front leading up to this war about environmental disasters, thousands of people would be dead, innocent civilians murdered by the thousands and thousands, we'd so anger the Arab world we'd have problems for decades and all this."

FACT: From CBS's 60 Minutes 3/28/04:
Ed Bradley questioning National Security Advisory Condi Rice: "But it's been reported that if you look at the 30 months since 9/11, there have been more attacks by al Qaeda than in the 30 months prior to 9/11." [CBS News]

FOX-TION: "Saddam Hussein has harbored, promoted, helped, sheltered al Qaeda members. We know that." [Ann Coulter, Hannity&Colmes, (September 17, 2003)]

FACT: Senior US officials confirm that they have found "no provable connection between Saddam and al Qaeda." [Miami Herald 3/3/04], The bipartisan September 11th commission report "undercuts Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda." [LA Times, 7/19/03]. [Miami Herald]

FOX-TION: "I think we have done it well, despite the complaints. And I've mentioned at this point after World War II, when we had American troops in Germany. They were complaining. They wanted to come home. They were being attacked by young Nazis." [Ann Coulter, Hannity&Colmes, (August 4, 2003)]

FACT: Insurgent attacks on allied troops in post-war Germany were almost non-existent. There were no guerilla campaigns or coordinated efforts at sabotage. There were zero combat casualties in post-war Germany. [Slate.com]

Wow Fox is quite accurate, with a central point of view,

 

[THE KOD]

" The challenge for our youth today is to
uphold the constitution and get involved with our
economy so American Youth can and will make a
differance for years to come"
George W

 

[StevieD]

Nice post MC

 

[djv]

Dont blame the kid. It's hard for anyone to stay awake when most these dudes speak.

 

[Marco]

I know I've said this in a past post....

This matter with Saddam should have been settled a dozen years ago when we kicked Iraq out of Kuwait.....

World opinion was on our side for the simple fact that Iraq attacked Kuwait......

Saddam, his sons, and his immediate ruling party should have been rounded up and put on trial for war crimes.....

Iraqi oil fields should have been seized and the profits from those fields put into paying back the war debt that was created by Saddam, from the losses the Kuwaiti people suffered, to the oil well fires we put out......to the war expenses that we had to pay for....all the billions of dollars we spent in that goddamn region.....

Next time something like this happens in the world, do it right the first time, like we did with the nazis in WWII......

All this pussyfooting with weapons inspectors and leaving the dictators in power who started this crap.......do it right or don't even go there......save the American taxpayers billions of dollars if all what the military is going to do is going to be done half-assed....

Doubt we'll see any repayment for the $$$ we have sunk into this campaign, either.......

 

[Chanman]

Totally agree Marco, but remember all the ppl talking about how Saddam was beaten and there is no excuse for any more casulties? I remember one person getting press saying Bush Sr would be responsible for all the lives lost if any further aggression is taken since Iraq is now out of kuwait.
Wish we would have learned from Viet Nam

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV Just getting back from out of town--but in your response to initial post I think how Bush handles this will have huge impact on election. I won't get much into Somolia except it gave all terrorist world wide the image we can't handle heat. A few incidents that set back our image back horrendously in the past----
"President Reagan in the shadow of Vietnam pulled us out of Beirut after the Marine barracks were bombed. President Clinton declared defeat in the face of victory in Mogadishu, did nothing after the Africa bombings, the Cole bombings, other incidents"
----if Bush administration does the same and does not
make them pay with severe consequences I will be on his ass as heavily if not more so then slick---We will see--but if Bush approaches this timidly he will lose in Nov.