sooner or later

[DOGS THAT BARK]

this will have to surface--

Been all the hoopla over McCain/Obama Iraq and offer to visit together.

While I have seen several news sources referring to Obama trip to Iraq in Jan of 06--I have yet to see any that comment on his cut and run there.

Until some news source chooses to enlighten the public I'll give you the goods.

He went with several other delegates Sen. Evan Bayh-Sen. Christopher Bond-Rep. Harold Ford and others on a congressional delegation, called a CODEL.

All the others spent 10 days in Iraq-Afgan and Pakistan--however Obama arrived in Iraq one day--cut out the next and never made it to Afgan or Pakistan--opting to visit Israel, Kuwait, Jordan and the Palestinian territories instead.

A prudent person would think a potential commader and chief would be interested its what's happening in war zone--but of course doesn't take much observation or planning to wave white flag. :SIB

P.S. thought you might want to see how O's website reports on this--

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

 

[THE KOD]

Uh that was almost 3 years ago.

Talk about cut and run what do you say about Prince Harry. Is stationed in Afghanastan, no one knows where, he is having a great time, then after a month or so, word leaks out he is there.

Next thing you know Prince Harry is on a plane back home to England.

Obama wasnt in the military. Big diff there.

I dont see how you can accuse him or anyone of cuttting out early from Iraq.

How long was Hillary there in Iraq ?

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Scott,

Lay off DTB. At least he's actually talking about the candidate now instead of his wife, grandma and pastor.

I'd take the guy who took a trip in the war zone and determined that it wasn't working, then one who took 10 and determined that things are going well.

 

[THE KOD]

Bobby

I feel a sandstorm is a coming

 

[THE KOD]

a couple of scarecrows waving in the wind

 

[marine]

Uh that was almost 3 years ago.

Talk about cut and run what do you say about Prince Harry. Is stationed in Afghanastan, no one knows where, he is having a great time, then after a month or so, word leaks out he is there.

Next thing you know Prince Harry is on a plane back home to England.

Prince Harry got pulled out for the safety of his entire unit. Things were actually going well for the kid too.. some overzealous journalist thought he was finding breaking news and put the info out when a lot of people were already "in the know" but agreed not to publish the information for the safety of the entire unit.

 

[bryanz]

this will have to surface--

Been all the hoopla over McCain/Obama Iraq and offer to visit together.

While I have seen several news sources referring to Obama trip to Iraq in Jan of 06--I have yet to see any that comment on his cut and run there.

Until some news source chooses to enlighten the public I'll give you the goods.

He went with several other delegates Sen. Evan Bayh-Sen. Christopher Bond-Rep. Harold Ford and others on a congressional delegation, called a CODEL.

All the others spent 10 days in Iraq-Afgan and Pakistan--however Obama arrived in Iraq one day--cut out the next and never made it to Afgan or Pakistan--opting to visit Israel, Kuwait, Jordan and the Palestinian territories instead.

A prudent person would think a potential commader and chief would be interested its what's happening in war zone--but of course doesn't take much observation or planning to wave white flag. :SIB

P.S. thought you might want to see how O's website reports on this--

http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

Months ago you reported to us that he had never been to Iraq and other places when he had. Now that you know that he went, what makes you the expert to characterize it as a cut and run ? Mabe he was multi tasking. :mj07: People to see places to go. What did you want him to do ? Walk around town with 100 of America finest in body armor for a photo op to prove how save it is in sunny Iraq ? John McCain of all people should have been on that senate floor and making sure the men with their boots on the ground were equipped to SURVIVE. This is the guy that wants a GI BILL that is designed for retention first and retention last before anything else. Patriot or loyalist ? You make the call. If this war is righteous, why worry about retention ? Let's have a draft. I don't know how this guy sleeps at night. Like you say; show me who your friends are. Keating was a friend of John McCain. Nothing has changed. http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050307-armor-missteps.htm This article shows the administration was not ready for this war and has played cath-up ever since. Mr Clean of all people should have been on that Senate floor sreaming bloody murder about the casual approach these clowns took equipping Our Americans on the ground in Iraq. You're a veteran. How do you support these guys ?

 

[jer-z jock]

Scott,

Lay off DTB. At least he's actually talking about the candidate now instead of his wife, grandma and pastor.

I'd take the guy who took a trip in the war zone and determined that it wasn't working, then one who took 10 and determined that things are going well.

AWESOME PHOTO!!!! Old dude walking around with a ARMY of security and almost everyone has protective helmets on except the guys POSING FOR THE PHOTO:142smilie , WARTORN zones and he's BOLD ENOUGH TO WALK THRU WITHOUT PROTECTION, just a measley little vest.....guess if the insurgents seen him they figure he wouldnt be worth a pop shot? Or are those just props from an HBO movie set? McCain the warmongle doesnt need any helmet......if he sent the troops in with NOT ENOUGH PROTECTION he's proven to ALL THE AMERICANS that are gonna view this photo HE CAN DO IT TOO, and them glasses are cool!!!!!:mj07:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Months ago you reported to us that he had never been to Iraq and other places when he had. Now that you know that he went, what makes you the expert to characterize it as a cut and run ? Mabe he was multi tasking. :mj07: People to see places to go. What did you want him to do ? Walk around town with 100 of America finest in body armor for a photo op to prove how save it is in sunny Iraq ? John McCain of all people should have been on that senate floor and making sure the men with their boots on the ground were equipped to SURVIVE. This is the guy that wants a GI BILL that is designed for retention first and retention last before anything else. Patriot or loyalist ? You make the call. If this war is righteous, why worry about retention ? Let's have a draft. I don't know how this guy sleeps at night. Like you say; show me who your friends are. Keating was a friend of John McCain. Nothing has changed. http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050307-armor-missteps.htm This article shows the administration was not ready for this war and has played cath-up ever since. Mr Clean of all people should have been on that Senate floor sreaming bloody murder about the casual approach these clowns took equipping Our Americans on the ground in Iraq. You're a veteran. How do you support these guys ?

Bryanz
I believe the FACT of the matter is my report a few months ago was identicle to the one now--
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319511&highlight=Obama+delegation+iraq

02-29-2008, 04:10 PM
DOGS THAT BARK
Registered User Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bowling Green Ky
Posts: 13,124

He goes which ever way it suits him at the time.

maybe if Jolie holds his hand he might visit Iraq since the surge--

Speaking of his lone trip to iraq--heres how he reports it--
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

heres how others report it--

Obama?s Senate website links news articles stating it was Obama?s first trip to Iraq. After spending two days in Baghdad Obama broke from the CODEL, which included Bayh, Sen. Christopher Bond (R.-Mo.) and Rep. Harold Ford (D.-Tenn.), early to spend eight days in Israel, Kuwait, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. Bayh's delegation later went on to Afghanistan and Pakistan without Obama.

Seems everyone interest was Iraq-Pakistan and afgan--except him
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So unless you can back up your allegation with similiar "proof" you are exposed --AGAIN
:0corn

 

[bryanz]

Bryanz
I believe the FACT of the matter is my report a few months ago was identicle to the one now--
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319511&highlight=Obama+delegation+iraq

02-29-2008, 04:10 PM
DOGS THAT BARK
Registered User Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bowling Green Ky
Posts: 13,124

He goes which ever way it suits him at the time.

maybe if Jolie holds his hand he might visit Iraq since the surge--

Speaking of his lone trip to iraq--heres how he reports it--
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

heres how others report it--

Obama?s Senate website links news articles stating it was Obama?s first trip to Iraq. After spending two days in Baghdad Obama broke from the CODEL, which included Bayh, Sen. Christopher Bond (R.-Mo.) and Rep. Harold Ford (D.-Tenn.), early to spend eight days in Israel, Kuwait, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. Bayh's delegation later went on to Afghanistan and Pakistan without Obama.

Seems everyone interest was Iraq-Pakistan and afgan--except him
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So unless you can back up your allegation with similiar "proof" you are exposed --AGAIN
:0corn

There was a post that you made to say how limited Obamas travel had been, I responded to it. It's here. I'm still wating for the first time you expose me of anything. I think we are far beyond exposing who we are. It's crystal clear I think. I like my man in the mirror.

 

[smurphy]

Speaking of his lone trip to iraq--heres how he reports it--
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060108-obama_obstacles/

Yeah, you JUST posted that link at the top of this thread. Here's how you reported it:

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328590

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I believe entire links of all threads were in my post Smurph-- and
i'm still waiting for link to thread I was I reported to say O had never been to Iraq?

any guess where his longest trip outside U.S. has been--should be an easy one


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:SIB

 

[Chadman]

So, he was on a weeklong trip to tour the middle east - that was the purpose of his trip - was sponsored by the congress. It was not a trip to Iraq, as you seem to think, or was it some kind of peeling off scenario. He was scheduled to meet with other middle eastern leaders during his visit. I guess he realizes there is a bigger world out there than just the elective war zone created by this administration. And he followed the plan as to what the trip was for. I'd imagine the others in the delegation had a different scenario and schedule - makes sense to me.

Ripping him on this is simply not on point. Nice try, though. :thumb:

 

[THE KOD]

Prince Harry got pulled out for the safety of his entire unit. .

:142smilie :142smilie


yeh right, he got pulled because he is in line to be King.

No way his unit would be in harms way. And if they were , they are there to fight, not worry about if Harry gets his feathers ruffled some.

Fawking brits anyways

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

So, he was on a weeklong trip to tour the middle east - that was the purpose of his trip - was sponsored by the congress. It was not a trip to Iraq, as you seem to think, or was it some kind of peeling off scenario. He was scheduled to meet with other middle eastern leaders during his visit. I guess he realizes there is a bigger world out there than just the elective war zone created by this administration. And he followed the plan as to what the trip was for. I'd imagine the others in the delegation had a different scenario and schedule - makes sense to me.

Ripping him on this is simply not on point. Nice try, though. :thumb:

DTB must have went to bed at quarter of six tonight. Looking forward to his response.

 

[marine]

:142smilie :142smilie


yeh right, he got pulled because he is in line to be King.

No way his unit would be in harms way. And if they were , they are there to fight, not worry about if Harry gets his feathers ruffled some.

Fawking brits anyways

c'mon KOD, you gotta be kidding me here. The prince is in a front line unit, and now the enemy knows what unit he is in... You don't think they will redirect every last scrap of firepower they have into that unit to try and take down the next King?

They'd throw everything, including the kitchen sink, at that unit, and specifically at that unit.

That entire unit would be wiped out in under 2 weeks. Or they could put another few units with them to try to protect themselves, which is a problem due to the limited manpower in the area and opens up other areas for the bad guys.

Use your head dude. You are way smarter than that.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

So, he was on a weeklong trip to tour the middle east - that was the purpose of his trip - was sponsored by the congress. It was not a trip to Iraq, as you seem to think, or was it some kind of peeling off scenario. He was scheduled to meet with other middle eastern leaders during his visit. I guess he realizes there is a bigger world out there than just the elective war zone created by this administration. And he followed the plan as to what the trip was for. I'd imagine the others in the delegation had a different scenario and schedule - makes sense to me.

Ripping him on this is simply not on point. Nice try, though. :thumb:

I've already given you my take-Twice

Codel was a congressional delegation to Iraq-Pakistan and Afgan--Obama broke off from group
2nd day in Iraq while "ALL OTHERS" stayed and then continued on to Afgan and Pakistan without Obama

Now what part don't you understand and what part do you deny if any?

 

[bryanz]

I believe entire links of all threads were in my post Smurph-- and
i'm still waiting for link to thread I was I reported to say O had never been to Iraq?

any guess where his longest trip outside U.S. has been--should be an easy one


---and doubt Bryanz will be too angry with me this evening--

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:SIB

I have never been angry with you my friend, you see it your way, I see it mine, smart enough to known when to see it your way.. you make more sense in the other section.:SIB

 

[Chadman]

I've already given you my take-Twice

Codel was a congressional delegation to Iraq-Pakistan and Afgan--Obama broke off from group
2nd day in Iraq while "ALL OTHERS" stayed and then continued on to Afgan and Pakistan without Obama

Now what part don't you understand and what part do you deny if any?

Thanks for your take, twice. I think the trip is very much open to interpretation, and in researching this a bit more after reading the report you linked (which uses words like "broke off", and "without Obama") I see nothing that noteworthy about his trip. He spent two full days there, traveled outside the safe green zone to visit American and Iraqi troops/officers out in the field and get the real story (unlike McCain's photo op in the green zone blanketed by security forces), and made his judgments. Then, as was planned all along, he continued on to other areas in the mideast, especially to Israel - for a week, at a time of serious concerns with the heart attack of the Israeli Prime Minister.

Of course, conservatives such as yourself want everyone to believe the only area worthy of study and taxpayer money would be Iraq, which was one of the places the terrorist really didn't frequent. I think Obama traveling to Israel at such an important time was also pretty important - and since it was planned all along after his two day tour of Iraq, should have been the thing he did.

But, you go ahead and make it a matter of contention. I think Barack has had the Iraq situation pretty well pegged all along, unlike the Bush administration, McCain, and Scotty boy, as we now know.

 

[Chadman]

I see that Bush has only gone to Iraq three times, from what I can tell. Twice only to the safe areas, once outside of Baghdad. Considering this is his baby, and he has only been there a couple more times (seem to be brief, at that) than Obama, it gives even more perspective, I suppose.