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another -do as I say not what I do--

Taking Stock

While the left-wing activist groups supported by billionaire George Soros have been attacking the Halliburton Company ? Soros has been quietly taking a major stock position in the company. The Securities and Exchange Commission reports Soros has purchased nearly two million shares of the company once run by Vice President Cheney ? investing more than $62 million.

Editor Mike Boyer of Foreign Policy magazine writes on his blog: "The real question, however, is whether MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, and other organizations that have benefited from Soros' charity will see a problem with accepting money earned off Halliburton shares?"

--love this one--

12 Million Loss

The College of William & Mary is facing the loss of a $12 million donation because of its recent removal of a cross from the school chapel. The decision last fall by President Gene Nichol to take down what is called the wren cross touched off a furious protest that is ongoing. And he admits in an e-mail that the loss of funds from the unidentified donor" represents a serious setback to the college."

Nichol has said he ordered the cross removed in order to make the chapel more receptive to people of other faiths. About 17,000 people have signed an online petition calling for the cross to be put back. William & Mary is the nation's second-oldest college ? and was founded as an institution of the Anglican Church.
 

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Soros is a private citizen and has no influence over contracts that are awarded to Halliburton. On the other hand, Dickless Cheney does have an influence on getting Haliburton contracts and his wielded his power to see this through. You can bet that when Cheney leaves office a golden parachute of slush funds is waiting for him via Halliburton.
 

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Not once has Kentucky Joe mention one bad thing about Halliburton and there team of war profiteers so what is the big deal? Sounds like you are saying this is a dirty company?
 

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Per MC--

Soros is a private citizen and has no influence over contracts that are awarded to Halliburton. On the other hand, Dickless Cheney does have an influence on getting Haliburton contracts and his wielded his power to see this through. You can bet that when Cheney leaves office a golden parachute of slush funds is waiting for him via Halliburton.
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I would bet if he has any proceeds he would probably do like last time and donate them to charity--somehow you for got to mention that--doesn't fit the liberals blogs script--does it ;)

So can we classify this as more liberal conspiracy opinion or fact--

It's lets look at what he and the liberal blogs want you to believe--then what they don't want to convey--



The truth about Haliburton
One of the things that I'm perpetually sick of is the whining over Halliburton that I hear from so many on the left. Of course, usually a protestor can't say "Halliburton" without "Dick Cheney". Initially, I thought that this was something that, along with the more ludicrous conspiracy theories, wouldn't get much farther than a protest sign. But increasingly, I've found that it is popping up more and more.

So when I found this post at Moxie, I was absolutely thrilled. Finally, a point by point refutation about the Halliburton/Iraq situation. Among the articles Mox links to is this one by Rich Lowry for Townhall.com, where he discusses the issue of "no-bid" contracts:

As journalist Byron York has reported, it's not really true that the company got its work without competitive bidding. In the 1990s, the military looked for ways to get outside help handling the logistics associated with foreign interventions. It came up with the U.S. Army Logistics Civil Augmentation Program, or LOGCAP. The program is a multiyear contract for a corporation to be on call to provide whatever services might be needed quickly.

Halliburton won a competitive bidding process for LOGCAP in 2001. So it was natural to turn to it (actually, to its wholly owned subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root) for prewar planning about handling oil fires in Iraq. "To invite other contractors to compete to perform a highly classified requirement that Kellogg Brown & Root was already under a competitively awarded contract to perform would have been a wasteful duplication of effort," the Army Corps of Engineers commander has written.

Then, in February 2003, the Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton a temporary no-bid contract to implement its classified oil-fire plan. The thinking was it would be absurd to undertake the drawn-out contracting process on the verge of war. If the administration had done that and there had been catastrophic fires, it would now be considered evidence of insufficient postwar planning. And Halliburton was an obvious choice, since it put out 350 oil-well fires in Kuwait after the first Gulf War.

The Clinton administration made the same calculation in its own dealings with Halliburton. The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work.

So, did Clinton and Gore involve the United States in the Balkans to benefit Halliburton? That charge makes as much sense as the one that Democrats are hurling at Bush now. Would that they directed more of their outrage at the people in Iraq who want to sabotage the country's oil infrastructure, rather than at the U.S. corporation charged with helping repair it.
So we've settled the issue of the no-bid contracts. Now the question is how much Cheney is benefitting from these Iraq contracts. The answer? Nothing. Check this out:
FACT: Vice President Cheney?s Income From Halliburton Is Fixed Portion Of Money Owed From 1999, Not Based On Current Contracts Or Investments. ?Cheney and his wife had more varied sources of earnings, including the vice president?s $198,600 government salary; the $178,437 he earned in deferred compensation from Halliburton Co., the Dallas-based energy services firm he headed until Aug. 16, 2000 ? Halliburton has been awarded as much as $6 billion in contracts in postwar Iraq but has been under scrutiny for allegedly overcharging the government. Cheney elected in 1998 to recoup over five years a fixed portion of the money he made in 1999 as the company?s chief executive officer.? (?Bush, Cheney Benefit From ?03 Tax Cuts,? The Associated Press, 4/14/04)

Cheney?s Statement Of No Financial Interest Is ?Accurate.? ?Cheney?s office said that to avoid any such questions and any suggestion that Cheney would have a stake in Halliburton?s continued success, he bought an insurance policy back in 2001 ? at a cost to him of $15,000 ? to guarantee that he would receive his deferred salary regardless of whether Halliburton stayed in business. Cheney is expected to receive three more installments of his deferred salary ? in 2003, 2004 and 2005. ? The aide said the insurance policy would pay Cheney $140,000 a year for five years if Halliburton went insolvent and was unable to pay Cheney?s deferred salary. In strict accounting terms, Cheney?s claim that he has no financial interest in the company is accurate, said certified public accountant Doug Stives of the Curchin Group in Redbank, New Jersey, who has handled similar executive pay arrangements. ? ?Assuming he has divested himself of all stock holdings in the company,? Stives said, ?it is accurate for Cheney to say he has no financial interest in Halliburton.? The aide said Cheney elected in 1998 ? two years before he became the head of the Bush campaign?s vice presidential search committee -- to defer his 1999 salary. ? The Cheney aide said that on January 18, 2001 ? just before being sworn in as vice president ? Cheney assigned all of his Halliburton stock options to a charitable trust.? (John King, ?Cheney Aide Rejects Halliburton Questions,? CNN.com, 9/16/03)

The Remaining Stock Options Have Been Donated To Charity. Cheney sold most of his Halliburton stock before taking office in 2001. ?[T]he vice president arranged to donate the eventual profits from exercising the remaining $7.8 million in stock options he holds, primarily from Halliburton, in the following percentages: 40% to the University of Wyoming, his alma mater; 40% to the George Washington University Medical Faculty Associates, which benefits the cardiac unit where he has been treated; and 20% to Capital Partners for Education, a foundation that provides scholarships to low-income, high-school-aged children in the Washington.? (Craig T. Ferris, ?2000 Tax Returns: Bush Has No Tax-Exempt Holdings, But Cheney Has $2 Million,? The Bond Buyer, 4/17/01; Scott Lindlaw, ?Bush, Cheney Earnings Documented,? The Associated Press, 4/14/01)
 

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---or you might want to go to factcheck dot org and see another more prominent liberal caught with his pants down on issue--and remember this is our 2 america pres candidate who stiiffed charity for 0--can we see a pattern here??? :)

http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html


Kerry Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton
Contrary to this ad's message, Cheney doesn't gain financially from the contracts given to the company he once headed.

A Kerry ad implies Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton and is profiting from the company's contracts in Iraq. The fact is, Cheney doesn't gain a penny from Halliburton's contracts, and almost certainly won't lose even if Halliburton goes bankrupt.

The ad claims Cheney got $2 million from Halliburton "as vice president," which is false. Actually, nearly $1.6 million of that was paid before Cheney took office. More importantly, all of it was earned before he was a candidate, when he was the company's chief executive.

A Kerry ad released Sept 17 once again attacks Cheney's ties to Halliburton, implying that Cheney is profiting from the company's contracts in Iraq. That's false.


"Cheney Halliburton"

Cheney: I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years.

Announcer: The truth: As vice president, Dick Cheney received $2 million from Halliburton. Halliburton got billions in no bid contracts in Iraq. Dick Cheney got $2 million. What did we get? A $200 billion dollar bill for Iraq. Lost jobs. Rising health care costs. It's time for a new direction.

John Kerry. Stronger at home. Respected in the world.

Announcer: I'm John Kerry, and I approve this message.

The ad isn't subtle. It says, "As vice president, Dick Cheney received $2 million from Halliburton. Halliburton got billions in no bid contracts in Iraq. Dick Cheney got $2 million. What did we get?" And it implies that Cheney lied to the public when he said in a TV interview that "I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind."

But as we document here, Cheney has insulated himself financially from whatever might happen to Halliburton. The Kerry ad misstates the facts.

$2 Million

To start, the $2 million figure is wrong. It is true that Cheney has received just under $2 million from Halliburton since his election, but nearly $1.6 million of that total was paid before Cheney actually took office on Jan. 20, 2001. Saying Cheney got that much "as vice president" is simply false.

We asked Cheney's personal attorney to document that, and he did, supplying several documents never released publicly before:

A Halliburton pay statement dated Jan 2, 2001 shows just under $147,579 was paid that day as "elect defrl payou," meaning payout of salary from the company's Elective Deferral Plan. That was salary Cheney had earned in 1999, but which he had chosen previously to receive in five installments spread over five years.
Another pay statement dated Jan. 18 shows $1,451,398 was paid that day under the company's "Incentive Plan C" for senior executives. That was Cheney's incentive compensation -- bonus money -- paid on the basis of the company's performance in 2000. Cheney had formally resigned from the company the previous September to campaign full time, but the amount of his bonus couldn't be calculated until the full year's financial results were known.
Cheney's personal financial disclosure forms, together with the pay statements just mentioned, show that Cheney has received $398,548 in deferred salary from Halliburton "as vice president." And of course, all of that is money he earned when he was the company's chief executive officer. Cheney was due to receive another payment in 2004, and a final payment in 2005.

The Kerry ad isn't the only place the false $2 million figure appears. The Democratic National Committee also gets it wrong on their website. The dates of the Halliburton payments don't appear on Cheney's personal financial disclosure form from 2001, and the DNC assumed -- incorrectly as we have shown -- that all the 2001 payment were made after he took office.

Deferred Salary

The $398,548 Halliburton has paid to Cheney while in office is all deferred compensation, a common practice that high-salaried executives use to reduce their tax bills by spreading income over several years. In Cheney's case, he signed a Halliburton form in December of 1998 choosing to have 50% of his salary for the next year, and 90% of any bonus money for that year, spread out over five years. (As it turned out, there was no bonus for 1999.) We asked Cheney's personal attorney to document the deferral agreement as well, and he supplied us with a copy of the form , posted here publicly for the first time.

Legally, Halliburton can't increase or reduce the amount of the deferred compensation no matter what Cheney does as vice president. So Cheney's deferred payments from Halliburton wouldn't increase no matter how much money the company makes, or how many government contracts it receives.

On the other hand, there is a possibility that if the company went bankrupt it would be unable to pay. That raises the theoretical possibility of a conflict of interest -- if the public interest somehow demanded that Cheney take action that would hurt Halliburton it could conceivably end up costing him money personally. So to insulate himself from that possible conflict, Cheney purchased an insurance policy (which cost him$14,903) that promises to pay him all the deferred compensation that Halliburton owes him even if the company goes bust and refuses to pay. The policy does contain escape clauses allowing the insurance company to refuse payment in the unlikely events that Cheney files a claim resulting "directly or indirectly" from a change in law or regulation, or from a "prepackaged" bankruptcy in which creditors agree on terms prior to filing. But otherwise it ensures Cheney will get what Halliburton owes him should it go under.

Cheney aides supplied a copy of that policy to us -- blacking out only some personal information about Cheney -- which we have posted here publicly for the first time.

Stock Options

That still would leave the possibility that Cheney could profit from his Halliburton stock options if the company's stock rises in value. However, Cheney and his wife Lynne have assigned any future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. And we're not just taking the Cheney's word for this -- we asked for a copy of the legal agreement they signed, which we post here publicly for the first time.

The "Gift Trust Agreement" the Cheney's signed two days before he took office turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education , a charity that provides financial aid for low-income students in Washington, DC to attend private and religious schools.

The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," so the Cheney's can't take back their options later.

The options owned by the Cheney's have been valued at nearly $8 million, his attorney says. Such valuations are rough estimates only -- the actual value will depend on what happens to stock prices in the future, which of course can't be known beforehand. But it is clear that giving up rights to the future profits constitutes a significant financial sacrifice, and a sizeable donation to the chosen charities.

"Financial Interest"

Democrats have taken issue with Cheney's statement to Tim Russert on NBC's Meet the Press Sept. 14, 2003, when he said he had no "financial interest" in Halliburton:

Cheney (Sept. 14, 2003): I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years. And as vice president, I have absolutely no influence of, involvement of, knowledge of in any way, shape or form of contracts led by the Corps of Engineers or anybody else in the federal government.

Shortly after that, Democratic Sen. Frank Lautenberg released a legal analysis he'd requested from the Congressional Research Service. Without naming Cheney, the memo concluded a federal official in his position -- with deferred compensation covered by insurance, and stock options whose after-tax profits had been assigned to charity -- would still retain an "interest" that must be reported on an official's annual disclosure forms. And in fact, Cheney does report his options and deferred salary each year.

But the memo reached no firm conclusion as to whether such options or salary constitute an "interest" that would pose a legal conflict. It said "it is not clear" whether assigning option profits to charity would theoretically remove a potential conflict, adding, "no specific published rulings were found on the subject." And it said that insuring deferred compensation "might" remove it as a problem under conflict of interest laws.

Actually, the plain language of the Office of Government Ethics regulations on this matter seems clear enough. The regulations state: "The term financial interest means the potential for gain or loss to the employee . . . as a result of governmental action on the particular matter." So by removing the "potential for gain or loss" Cheney has solid grounds to argue that he has removed any "financial interest" that would pose a conflict under federal regulations.

Conflict of Interest

It is important to note here that Cheney could legally have held onto his Halliburton stock options, and no law required him to buy insurance against the possibility that Halliburton wouldn't pay the deferred compensation it owes him. Both the President and Vice President are specifically exempted from federal conflict-of-interest laws, for one thing, as are members of Congress and federal judges.

And even federal officials who are covered by the law may legally own a financial interest in a company, provided they formally recuse themselves -- stand aside -- from making decisions that would have a "direct and predictable effect on that interest." And Cheney says he's done just that.

Cheney says he takes no part in matters relating to Halliburton, and so far we've seen no credible allegation to the contrary. Time magazine reported in its June 7 edition that an e-mail from an unnamed Army Corps of Engineers official stated that a contract to be given to Halliburton in March 2003 "has been coordinated w VP's [Vice President's] office." But it wasn't clear who wrote that e-mail, whether the author had direct knowledge or was just repeating hearsay, or even what was meant by the word "coordinated," which could mean no more than that somebody in Cheney's office was being kept informed of contract talks.

Indeed, a few days later it was revealed that Cheney's chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby was informed in advance that Halliburton was going to receive an earlier contract in the fall of 2002 -- to secretly plan post-war repair of Iraq's oil facilities. But being informed of a decision after it is made is a far cry from taking part in making it. And according to the White House, Libby didn't even pass on the information to Cheney anyway.

So to sum up, this Kerry ad's implication that Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton is unfounded and the $2 million figure is flat wrong.
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Heck I joined the crooks about 3 years ago. Got in with 350 shares.
Had hope's for more then I got so far from investment. That's all it is a investment. Only way one can get in on the day to day running of a company. Is work there. Just owning stock won't get it done. Even as board member you don't in 99% of the time.
 

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Dogs, your post has Cheney saying he hasn't had a financial interest in Halliburton for 3 years, but he has been in office for 6. What's the deal?

And I would imagine he does have a financial interest, don't you figure he will go back there as soon as he is done in 08?
 

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Dogs, your post has Cheney saying he hasn't had a financial interest in Halliburton for 3 years, but he has been in office for 6. What's the deal?

And I would imagine he does have a financial interest, don't you figure he will go back there as soon as he is done in 08?

Sham you just watch the money these two thieves make when they go on their speaking tours. The two of them may make a couple billion apiece. And no other country will have them except maybe Australia and definitely Saudi Arabia but nobody will be in attendance. They might have 100 people in attendance with 50 thousand protestors outside.
 
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