I don't have a problem at all with USC passing towards the end of the game. Last game of the year, playing for a possible #1 ranking next year. You play to win the game. What is the problem?
southern cal looking classless.
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" No coach in the pros who would be up 14 with 5 minutes to go would still be passing. Michigan coach just gave up and punted and this prick is still passing like he had a bet on the over. There was no good reason at all to continue to pass and he did the same thing in the ND game." SPONGE
This is perhaps one of the most inaccurate and ludicrous comments I have ever seen. You call a 14point lead with 5 minutes left safe? Turnovers - punt returns - broken coverage, etc. How do you determine that a 14 point lead with 5 minutes left is safe when you have proven that you can't run the ball?
And how about that Michigan coach giving up and punting? If you were on that team would you just lay down and roll over like that? Don't you think he SHOULD NOT have punted to give his team a chance to win? Or DID he punt because he felt he still had a chance to win? Did he or didn't he?
This obsession people have with hating USC is going beyond all logic. I venture to say that there are more than a handful of gamblers out there reading this who have lost many a game when up by 14 with 5 minutes to go.
And honest Michigan fans, were you pleased with that last punt virtually conceeding victory?
You can hate USC, hate ND, hate the SEC or anything else. But don't let your emotions obscure the facts.
This is perhaps one of the most inaccurate and ludicrous comments I have ever seen. You call a 14point lead with 5 minutes left safe? Turnovers - punt returns - broken coverage, etc. How do you determine that a 14 point lead with 5 minutes left is safe when you have proven that you can't run the ball?
And how about that Michigan coach giving up and punting? If you were on that team would you just lay down and roll over like that? Don't you think he SHOULD NOT have punted to give his team a chance to win? Or DID he punt because he felt he still had a chance to win? Did he or didn't he?
This obsession people have with hating USC is going beyond all logic. I venture to say that there are more than a handful of gamblers out there reading this who have lost many a game when up by 14 with 5 minutes to go.
And honest Michigan fans, were you pleased with that last punt virtually conceeding victory?
You can hate USC, hate ND, hate the SEC or anything else. But don't let your emotions obscure the facts.
he was passing up 21 with less than 2 minutes to go. Its about class. There were ten people in my home 7 had usc and 3 had Mich and every single person said it was classless. this is nothing to do with hating USC. He did the same thing to ND when he was up big and ND had no chance at all to win. And tell me genuis why is it that when the game finally goes over the total he stops passing? As for punting? He gave up. He had no chance to win with punting in that situation. He had a slim chance if he went for it and they got it. If i saw a coach punt in that situation im not gonna start throwing bombs on him. Total classless act. And guess what i needed USC to win in the worst way because they are part of a six team parlay i have running and they are the fifth team. In the pros they wouldnt be passing up 14 with 5 minutes to go because they would try to run the clock and wouldn't want to turn it over. The talent level is different. Your facts are clueless.
I guess you got it right after all. Pete had a huge bet on the over and he passed and passed until the total went over and then stopped. He sure as hell must have been pissed when Carr punted it virtually throwing in the towel for his team in a bowl game once again. If I could just figure out how these coaches are betting, I could be rich. He must have been real worried with that halftime score at 3-3. Maybe he was holding back the troops to win a halftime bet too. In fact, he probably took the over for the game and the under for the first half and the over for the second half. And who could possibly guess that it made sense to throw the ball against Michigan instead of run it. Maybe old Pete actually looked at the stats and saw that Michigan was damn good against the run but not so hot versus the pass. In fact, do you think that Carr was in on it too? I think he knew that it would look very fishy for his offence to score so he punted it away to USC. I'll bet that was what happened.
Of course, playing in one of the biggest bowl games with 6 weeks to prepare, no one should have expected Carr to defend the pass in the first place. Do the coaches cheat only in bowl games or do they do that all year?
Of course, playing in one of the biggest bowl games with 6 weeks to prepare, no one should have expected Carr to defend the pass in the first place. Do the coaches cheat only in bowl games or do they do that all year?
Wow, did anyone even watch the game?
Wow, did anyone even watch the game?
SC last scored at the 6:52 mark. At that time the score was 25-11. Michigan had scored a TD at the 11 minute mark which was answered by a SC TD that made it 25-11. The TD at the 6:52 mark made it 32-11.
Here is the chain of events after SC scored at 6:52:
Michigan at 6:13 USC MICH
1st and 10 at MICH 18 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham. 32 11
2nd and 10 at MICH 18 Chad Henne pass complete to Mario Manningham for 8 yards to the Mich 26.
3rd and 2 at MICH 26 Chad Henne pass complete to Adrian Arrington for 5 yards to the Mich 31 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Adrian Arrington.
2nd and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Carson Butler.
3rd and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Carson Butler.
4th and 10 at MICH 31 Zoltan Mesko punt for 40 yards, returned by C.J. Gable for 10 yards to the USC 39.
DRIVE TOTALS: Mich drive: 6 plays 13 yards, 01:11 Mich PUNT
USC at 5:01
1st and 10 at USC 39 Chauncey Washington rush for 8 yards to the USC 47. 32 11
2nd and 2 at USC 47 John David Booty pass incomplete to Allen Bradford.
3rd and 2 at USC 47 Allen Bradford rush for 6 yards to the Mich 47 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MICH 47 John David Booty sacked by LaMarr Woodley at the 50 yard line for a loss of 3 yards.
2nd and 13 at MICH 50 Allen Bradford rush for 3 yards to the Mich 47.
3rd and 10 at MICH 47 Allen Bradford rush for 2 yards to the Mich 45.
4th and 8 at MICH 45 Usc penalty 5 yard false start accepted.
4th and 13 at MICH 50 Greg Woidneck punt for 20 yards punt out-of-bounds at the Mich 30.
DRIVE TOTALS: USC drive: 6 plays 11 yards, 03:09 USC PUNT
Michigan at 1:52
1st and 10 at MICH 30 Chad Henne pass complete to Steve Breaston for 13 yards to the Mich 43 for a 1ST down. 32 11
1st and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham.
2nd and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass incomplete.
3rd and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass complete to Adrian Arrington for 16 yards to the USC 41 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at USC 41 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham.
2nd and 10 at USC 41 Chad Henne pass complete to Steve Breaston for 41 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. 32 17
Garrett Rivas extra point GOOD. 32 18
Garrett Rivas on-side kick recovered by Usc at the Mich 43.
DRIVE TOTALS: Mich drive: 6 plays 70 yards, 01:11 Mich TD
USC at 0:50
1st and 10 at MICH 43 C.J. Gable rush for 9 yards to the Mich 34. 32 18
End of 4th Quarter
End of 4th Quarter
I am really trying to understand how SC was classless. They scored at 6:52 then when they got the ball back they threw one pass and attempted another. The attempt was to the fullback.
Everything else was a run!
Please explain what the heck the problem is and try to use some facts and not bias.
Also, for those of you who said that Carr gave up, why did they continue to pass, then score and do an onside?
IGNORANCE
Wow, did anyone even watch the game?
SC last scored at the 6:52 mark. At that time the score was 25-11. Michigan had scored a TD at the 11 minute mark which was answered by a SC TD that made it 25-11. The TD at the 6:52 mark made it 32-11.
Here is the chain of events after SC scored at 6:52:
Michigan at 6:13 USC MICH
1st and 10 at MICH 18 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham. 32 11
2nd and 10 at MICH 18 Chad Henne pass complete to Mario Manningham for 8 yards to the Mich 26.
3rd and 2 at MICH 26 Chad Henne pass complete to Adrian Arrington for 5 yards to the Mich 31 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Adrian Arrington.
2nd and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Carson Butler.
3rd and 10 at MICH 31 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Carson Butler.
4th and 10 at MICH 31 Zoltan Mesko punt for 40 yards, returned by C.J. Gable for 10 yards to the USC 39.
DRIVE TOTALS: Mich drive: 6 plays 13 yards, 01:11 Mich PUNT
USC at 5:01
1st and 10 at USC 39 Chauncey Washington rush for 8 yards to the USC 47. 32 11
2nd and 2 at USC 47 John David Booty pass incomplete to Allen Bradford.
3rd and 2 at USC 47 Allen Bradford rush for 6 yards to the Mich 47 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at MICH 47 John David Booty sacked by LaMarr Woodley at the 50 yard line for a loss of 3 yards.
2nd and 13 at MICH 50 Allen Bradford rush for 3 yards to the Mich 47.
3rd and 10 at MICH 47 Allen Bradford rush for 2 yards to the Mich 45.
4th and 8 at MICH 45 Usc penalty 5 yard false start accepted.
4th and 13 at MICH 50 Greg Woidneck punt for 20 yards punt out-of-bounds at the Mich 30.
DRIVE TOTALS: USC drive: 6 plays 11 yards, 03:09 USC PUNT
Michigan at 1:52
1st and 10 at MICH 30 Chad Henne pass complete to Steve Breaston for 13 yards to the Mich 43 for a 1ST down. 32 11
1st and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham.
2nd and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass incomplete.
3rd and 10 at MICH 43 Chad Henne pass complete to Adrian Arrington for 16 yards to the USC 41 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at USC 41 Chad Henne pass incomplete to Mario Manningham.
2nd and 10 at USC 41 Chad Henne pass complete to Steve Breaston for 41 yards for a TOUCHDOWN. 32 17
Garrett Rivas extra point GOOD. 32 18
Garrett Rivas on-side kick recovered by Usc at the Mich 43.
DRIVE TOTALS: Mich drive: 6 plays 70 yards, 01:11 Mich TD
USC at 0:50
1st and 10 at MICH 43 C.J. Gable rush for 9 yards to the Mich 34. 32 18
End of 4th Quarter
End of 4th Quarter
I am really trying to understand how SC was classless. They scored at 6:52 then when they got the ball back they threw one pass and attempted another. The attempt was to the fullback.
Everything else was a run!
Please explain what the heck the problem is and try to use some facts and not bias.
Also, for those of you who said that Carr gave up, why did they continue to pass, then score and do an onside?
IGNORANCE
Read below because you are absolutely 100% incorrect in your statements. Tell me where they passed under 2 mins?
ITs over. Stop talking about USC already.
The only game worth talking about that is over & done with is Boise/Oak
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The only game worth talking about that is over & done with is Boise/Oak
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3 Secs>>>
3 Secs>>>
You are absolutely correct. The RB was uneventful in comparison.
All the SC bashing gets quite annoying though. Don't mind the fair criticism but lack of facts pisses me off.
3 Secs>>>
You are absolutely correct. The RB was uneventful in comparison.
All the SC bashing gets quite annoying though. Don't mind the fair criticism but lack of facts pisses me off.
Just looking at the other bowl games, not the season, I found the following. I looked for posts regarding your outrage at classless acts, but didn't find any except against USC
BYU ahead 31-0 still passing. Threw last TD pass of 17 yards to go up 38-8. Classless?
Troy throws a 5yd pass with 2:19 left in the game to make it a 41-17 final. Classless?
Hawaii throws a 79 yard TD pass with 2:12 remaining and a 10 point lead. Classless?
As far as opposing teams not being able to score late, so therefore team ahead should run -again just in bowl games -
Oregon scores two TD's in last 6:10
Texas Tech scores 10 points in last 3:01 and 17 points in last 7:51
Georgia scores 18 points in last Q vs VTech
Florida scores 21 in last Q vs UCLA
Cal scores 17 points in last Q versus A&M despite already having an 18 point lead.
These are JUST BOWL GAMES. Imagine what we could find in a year of play.
But you are not singling out USC are you? Or did you also fail to read above?
BYU ahead 31-0 still passing. Threw last TD pass of 17 yards to go up 38-8. Classless?
Troy throws a 5yd pass with 2:19 left in the game to make it a 41-17 final. Classless?
Hawaii throws a 79 yard TD pass with 2:12 remaining and a 10 point lead. Classless?
As far as opposing teams not being able to score late, so therefore team ahead should run -again just in bowl games -
Oregon scores two TD's in last 6:10
Texas Tech scores 10 points in last 3:01 and 17 points in last 7:51
Georgia scores 18 points in last Q vs VTech
Florida scores 21 in last Q vs UCLA
Cal scores 17 points in last Q versus A&M despite already having an 18 point lead.
These are JUST BOWL GAMES. Imagine what we could find in a year of play.
But you are not singling out USC are you? Or did you also fail to read above?
Forgive me for beating a dead horse, but it is fun. Thought I would look only at Ohio State's year because they are clearly the "class" of NCAA football this year.
Ohio State against Cinncy - ahead 34-7 and kicks a 52 yard field goal with 1:14 left. This was 3 of 17 points they scored in 4th.
Ohio State against Indiana - already ahead 44-3, the Buckeyes go for a 2 point conversion with 7:04left in game.
Ohio State against Northwestern - already ahead 47-10, the Buckeyes score with 2:29 left in game to go ahead 54-10.
Ohio State against Minnesota - already ahead 37-0, the Buckeyes score with 2:56 left to win 44-0.
These were all offensive scores, not defensive.
But you aren't picking on USC.
Ohio State against Cinncy - ahead 34-7 and kicks a 52 yard field goal with 1:14 left. This was 3 of 17 points they scored in 4th.
Ohio State against Indiana - already ahead 44-3, the Buckeyes go for a 2 point conversion with 7:04left in game.
Ohio State against Northwestern - already ahead 47-10, the Buckeyes score with 2:29 left in game to go ahead 54-10.
Ohio State against Minnesota - already ahead 37-0, the Buckeyes score with 2:56 left to win 44-0.
These were all offensive scores, not defensive.
But you aren't picking on USC.
Did I mention that USC lost games to a bunch of ducks and beavers in 2006 ?
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No you didn't. What's your point and how does that have anything to do with the subject at hand?
I think the thread you are looking for is USC sucks from two weeks ago.
