Speaking of Indiana....This could get UGLY

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I think it is fairly well known how I feel about ABUSIVE SMALL DICKED EGOTISTIC LEOS


Indiana First State to Allow Citizens to ?Shoot Law Enforcement Officers?
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This Law is giving Hunting Licenses and Open Season on all Public Servants and LEOs, Including the DUMB ASS WHO SIGNED THE DAMN THING !

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June 11, 2012

Police officers in Indiana are upset over a new law allowing residents to use deadly force against public servants, including law enforcement officers, who unlawfully enter their homes. It was signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March.

The first of its kind in the United States, the law was adopted after the state Supreme Court went too far in one of its rulings last year, according to supporters. The case in question involved a man who assaulted an officer during a domestic violence call. The court ruled that there was ?no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.?

The National Rifle Association lobbied for the new law, arguing that the court decision had legalized police to commit unjustified entries.

Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police, which opposed the legislation, said the law could open the way for people who are under the influence or emotionally distressed to attack officers in their homes.

?It?s just a recipe for disaster,? Downs told Bloomberg. ?It just puts a bounty on our heads.?
To Learn More:

NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police (by Mark Niquette, Bloomberg)

Senate Enrolled Act No. 1 (Indiana Legislature)

BOHICA INDIANA, YOUR COPS MIGHT AS WELL BE DRESSED AS BAMBI AT A TED NUGENT CONCERT !
 

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Indiana Supreme Court: citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry

Indiana Supreme Court: citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry

Indiana Supreme Court: citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry

In a move that flies not only in the face of the U.S. Constitution but defies common law dating back to the Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that residents of the Hoosier state have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.
In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David, writing for the majority, expressed the view that
a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest.
Short version: A police officer is within his rights to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, while a homeowner is powerless to block or interfere in any way with the officer's entry.

The ruling is a blatant assault on the Fourth Amendment, which??modern jurisprudence? notwithstanding?states:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The court's decision arises out of a case in which a husband and wife were arguing outside their apartment. When police arrived to investigate, the couple retreated into their domicile. The husband attempted to close the door, but one officer forced his way inside. The husband shoved the intruder against a wall, whereupon a second officer used a stun gun to subdue the man and then arrested him.
Speaking directly to the sequence of events in this case, Justice David stated that an individual whose home is illegally entered by police has recourse under the law to protest but only after, not during, the trespass.
Justice Robert Rucker, one of the two court members who dissented from the ruling, wrote:
In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes illegally?that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent circumstances. I disagree. The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is unwarranted and unnecessarily broad.
In his brief, Rucker added a clarification, stating that if the court had limited its permission for police entry to domestic violence situations he would have supported the prevailing view.
 

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NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police

NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police

NRA-Backed Law Spells Out When Indianans May Open Fire on Police

<cite class="byline"> By Mark Niquette - Jun 5, 2012</cite>
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Every time police Sergeant Joseph Hubbard stops a speeder or serves a search warrant, he says he worries suspects assume they can open fire -- without breaking the law.

Hubbard, a 17-year veteran of the police department in Jeffersonville, Indiana, says his apprehension stems from a state law approved this year that allows residents to use deadly force in response to the ?unlawful intrusion? by a ?public servant? to protect themselves and others, or their property.

?If I pull over a car and I walk up to it and the guy shoots me, he?s going to say, ?Well, he was trying to illegally enter my property,?? said Hubbard, 40, who is president of Jeffersonville Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 100. ?Somebody is going get away with killing a cop because of this law.?

Indiana is the first U.S. state to specifically allow force against officers, according to the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys in Washington, which represents and supports prosecutors. The National Rifle Association pushed for the law, saying an unfavorable court decision made the need clear and that it would allow homeowners to defend themselves during a violent, unjustified attack. Police lobbied against it.

The NRA, a membership group that says it?s widely recognized as a ?major political force? and as the country?s?foremost defender? of Second Amendment rights, has worked to spread permissive gun laws around the country. Among them is the Stand Your Ground self-defense measure in Florida, which generated nationwide controversy after the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed Florida teenager.
Amended Law

Asked about the Indiana law, Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the Fairfax, Virginia-based association, said he would look into the matter. He didn?t return subsequent calls.

The measure was approved by the Republican-controlled Legislature and signed by Republican Governor Mitch Daniels in March. It amended a 2006 so-called Castle Doctrine bill that allows deadly force to stop illegal entry into a home or car.

The law describes the ability to use force to ?protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force.?

Republican state Senator R. Michael Young, the bill?s author, said there haven?t been any cases in which suspects have used the law to justify shooting police.
?Public Servant?

He said ?public servant? was added to clarify the law after a state Supreme Court ruling last year that ?there is no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers.?The case was based on a man charged with assaulting an officer during a domestic-violence call.

Young cited a hypothetical situation of a homeowner returning to see an officer raping his daughter or wife. Under the court?s ruling, the homeowner could not touch the officer and only file a lawsuit later, he said. Young said he devised the idea for the law after the court ruling.

?There are bad legislators,? Young said. ?There are bad clergy, bad doctors, bad teachers, and it?s these officers that we?re concerned about that when they act outside their scope and duty that the individual ought to have a right to protect themselves.?

Bill supporters tried to accommodate police by adding specific requirements that might justify force, and by replacing?law enforcement officer? in the original version with?public servant,? said Republican state Representative Jud McMillin, the House sponsor.
Preventing Injury

The measure requires those using force to ?reasonably believe? a law-enforcement officer is acting illegally and that it?s needed to prevent ?serious bodily injury,? Daniels said in a statement when he signed the law.

?In the real world, there will almost never be a situation in which these extremely narrow conditions are met,? Daniels said. ?This law is not an invitation to use violence or force against law enforcement officers.?

Jane Jankowski, a spokeswoman for Daniels, referred questions about the measure to that statement.

Opponents see a potential for mistakes and abuse.

It?s not clear under the law whether an officer acting in good faith could be legally shot for mistakenly kicking down the wrong door to serve a warrant, said state Senator Tim Lanane, the assistant Democratic leader and an attorney.
?It?s a risky proposition that we set up here,? Lanane said.
Intoxicated Suspects

Those who are intoxicated or emotional can?t decide whether police are acting legally, and suspects may assume they have the right to attack officers, said Tim Downs, president of the Indiana State Fraternal Order of Police. The law didn?t need to be changed because there isn?t an epidemic of rogue police in Indiana, he said.
?It?s just a recipe for disaster,? said Downs, chief of the Lake County police in northwest Indiana. ?It just puts a bounty on our heads.?

Downs said he canceled his NRA membership after the organization pressed for the Indiana legislation.

The NRA helped get the measure through the Legislature and encouraged its members to contact lawmakers and Daniels.

The organization?s Indiana lobbyist attended all the Legislative committee hearings, said State Representative Linda Lawson, the Democratic floor leader and a former police officer.
Political Support

Lawmakers respond to the NRA because the group brings political support, Lawson said.
The legislation reversed an ?activist court
decision,?and ?restores self-defense laws to what they were,? the NRA said on its legislative website.

In Clay County, Indiana, outside Terre Haute, the Sheriff?s Department changed its procedures because of the law. Detectives in plain clothes and unmarked cars now must be accompanied by a uniformed officer on calls to homes, Sheriff Michael Heaton said.

?I?m not worried about the law-abiding citizens,? said Heaton, who also is president of the Indiana Sheriff?s Association. ?It?s the ones that really don?t understand the law and they just think, ?Cop shows up at my door, I can do whatever I want to him.??

Hubbard, the officer in Jeffersonville, in southeastern Indiana, said the law causes him to second-guess himself. He serves on the department?s patrol division and is a member of its special weapons and tactics unit. The department serves?thousand? of warrants a year, he said.

?It puts doubt in your mind,? said Hubbard, who served in the U.S. Marine Corps before joining the department. ?And hesitation in our job can mean somebody gets hurt or killed.?

Hubbard said he hasn?t changed his approach to his job or noticed a difference in how civilians he encounters are behaving.

The law has changed Hubbard?s view of the NRA.

He said he has been ?a proud member of the NRA for years,? and while he?s still a member and NRA firearms instructor, ?the day I found out the NRA was pushing behind this bill was the day I became a not-so-happy NRA member.?
 

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I wonder how my usual antagonists here will spin this?

They try and try again, then try again to paint me as a paranoid nut. Okay, well some of that may be true :shrug: However, their repeated attacks and attempts at defamation of my character and inteligence by claiming that what I post is ....

BULL SHIT

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BRING IT ! DON'T SING IT !
 

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Jack - can you go ahead and move this to the proper forum

TIA&YTB!!

BBC,

Explain to me why you think this needed to be moved?

Your Gov. signed a bill that put price tags on LEO heads?

Don't you have any real independent thoughts about this, other than crying to Jack?

FFS, grow a pair of nuts you fat fuck
 

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Indiana cops will likely adopt a shoot-first program.

"Hey, don't kick in that door because you hear someone screaming for help. Empty a few magazines through it first"

This gun nut right-wing shit often backfires.
 

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Indiana cops will likely adopt a shoot-first program.

"Hey, don't kick in that door because you hear someone screaming for help. Empty a few magazines through it first"

This gun nut right-wing shit often backfires.

Uhhh,

In some places this already occurs.

I wonder if BBC has the stones to answer my question? Hmmmm, I think he has to leave his balls at home in a pickle jar when he leaves the house.

But MJ gives him courage
 
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