This response is a product of our system. This response is just a single pimple on the elephants ass that we as a Country & a People have to implode to be truly great.
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This response is a product of our system. This response is just a single pimple on the elephants ass that we as a Country & a People have to implode to be truly great.
I'm guessing there's a fair share of welfare offices in those areas, as well. I'll bet she's not bitching about that. Probably a few more Check 'N Go and liquor shacks, too. It comes with the territory, toots.
War has always been a popular employer for the poor. Did she just wake up?
War has always been a popular employer for the poor. Did she just wake up?
Now let me get this right. Iraq is killing the minorities? U gotta be kinding me right. This has got to be the stupidest f'n comment I have every read. First of the military is a VOLUNTEER service STILL!! And second of all, there are many a many benefits in joining the armed services. But first and foremost when you sign the dotted line and are sworn in the one thing u are sworn to do is defend your country. Whether it is right or wrong. Which means possibly put your life in harms way. I cannot believe some would even write such b.s.
The military is probably about the only place workwise where race doesn't play into advancing in your career unlike the civilian sector. performance and duty pave the way for success. regardless of your race. if you are deserving of promotion and are qualified you advance.
Now before the political mongers twist this around. I am not saying racism doesn't exist in the military. It exist everywhere, everyday. But the military is the one place that minorities have a better shot in advancing then in the civilian sector.
And for the minority issue. I served with probably the most diverse unit from georgia in iraq. With more blacks than whites. And we lost more white people than any other race while there. So this conclusion someone has made up has no merit nor is it even close to reality.
The military is probably about the only place workwise where race doesn't play into advancing in your career unlike the civilian sector. performance and duty pave the way for success. regardless of your race. if you are deserving of promotion and are qualified you advance.
Now before the political mongers twist this around. I am not saying racism doesn't exist in the military. It exist everywhere, everyday. But the military is the one place that minorities have a better shot in advancing then in the civilian sector.
And for the minority issue. I served with probably the most diverse unit from georgia in iraq. With more blacks than whites. And we lost more white people than any other race while there. So this conclusion someone has made up has no merit nor is it even close to reality.
"Wolfofitz, not permitted to talk about him."
Once a person becomes Chairman of the World Bank, you better not talk about him......................
Once a person becomes Chairman of the World Bank, you better not talk about him......................
U.S. Military Recruiting Demographics
From American Forces Press Service
Nov 27 2005
By Jim Garamone
The U.S. military is not a "poor man's force."
That's the conclusion Defense Department officials reached following examination of enlisted recruiting statistics gathered over the past year.
"There is an issue of how representative of America is the force," said Curt Gilroy, the director of DoD's accessions policy in the Pentagon.
DoD tracks "representativeness" - as Gilroy calls it - very closely. And representativeness can take a whole host of forms - race, education, social status, income, region and so on. "When you look at all of those, you find that the force is really quite representative of the country," he said in a recent interview. "It mirrors the country in many of these. And where it doesn't mirror America, it exceeds America."
The data shows the force is more educated than the population at large.
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Servicemembers have high school diplomas or the general equivalency diploma. More servicemembers have some college than the typical 18- to 24-year-olds. "To carry representativeness to the extreme, we would have to have a less-educated force or we would want a lower-aptitude force," Gilroy said.
The study is part of DoD's focus to bring the best recruits into the military. The services - who are responsible for manning, equipping and training the force - take this data and apply it to recruiting efforts.
The force is a volunteer force; no one is coerced into serving. The military is one option young people have after high school. Military service offers money for college - money a large segment of the population doesn't have. For those people, the military is an attractive option.
Many young people who don't yet know what they want to do see the military as a place to serve and decide what they want to do for the rest of their lives, rather than take a low-paying job or do nothing.
Critics say the U.S. military has too many African-Americans as compared to the population and not enough Hispanics or Asian-Americans. "We don't recruit for race," Gilroy said. "We have standards, and if people meet those standards, then should we say they are not allowed in because of race? That would be wrong."
The statistics show the number of African-American servicemembers is dropping. That concerns Gilroy and his office. The military is a leader in equal opportunity in the United States, he said, adding that few, if any, Fortune 500 companies can match the equal employment opportunity record of the military. The office is studying why young black men and women are not signing up.
The office also is studying the Hispanic population in America. Census records say Hispanics are the largest minority group in the United States. Young Hispanic men and women have a strong tendency to serve in the military, though so far, only the Marine Corps has been "able to break the code" to get significant numbers of recruits, Gilroy said.
On the socioeconomic side, the military is strongly middle class, Gilroy said. More recruits are drawn from the middle class and fewer are coming from poorer and wealthier families. Recruits from poorer families are actually underrepresented in the military, Gilroy said.
Other trends are that the number of recruits from wealthier families is increasing, and the number of recruits from suburban areas has increased. This also tracks that young men and women from the middle class are serving in the military.
Young men and women from urban areas are not volunteering, Gilroy said. In fact, urban areas provide far fewer recruits as a percentage of the total population than small towns and rural areas.
DoD and the services will use these statistics and more to craft their recruiting policies, Gilroy said.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/demographics.htm
--and just out yesterday--
Army to hit 2006 recruit goal
http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...C_0_US-IRAQ-USA-RECRUITING.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
From American Forces Press Service
Nov 27 2005
By Jim Garamone
The U.S. military is not a "poor man's force."
That's the conclusion Defense Department officials reached following examination of enlisted recruiting statistics gathered over the past year.
"There is an issue of how representative of America is the force," said Curt Gilroy, the director of DoD's accessions policy in the Pentagon.
DoD tracks "representativeness" - as Gilroy calls it - very closely. And representativeness can take a whole host of forms - race, education, social status, income, region and so on. "When you look at all of those, you find that the force is really quite representative of the country," he said in a recent interview. "It mirrors the country in many of these. And where it doesn't mirror America, it exceeds America."
The data shows the force is more educated than the population at large.
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Servicemembers have high school diplomas or the general equivalency diploma. More servicemembers have some college than the typical 18- to 24-year-olds. "To carry representativeness to the extreme, we would have to have a less-educated force or we would want a lower-aptitude force," Gilroy said.
The study is part of DoD's focus to bring the best recruits into the military. The services - who are responsible for manning, equipping and training the force - take this data and apply it to recruiting efforts.
The force is a volunteer force; no one is coerced into serving. The military is one option young people have after high school. Military service offers money for college - money a large segment of the population doesn't have. For those people, the military is an attractive option.
Many young people who don't yet know what they want to do see the military as a place to serve and decide what they want to do for the rest of their lives, rather than take a low-paying job or do nothing.
Critics say the U.S. military has too many African-Americans as compared to the population and not enough Hispanics or Asian-Americans. "We don't recruit for race," Gilroy said. "We have standards, and if people meet those standards, then should we say they are not allowed in because of race? That would be wrong."
The statistics show the number of African-American servicemembers is dropping. That concerns Gilroy and his office. The military is a leader in equal opportunity in the United States, he said, adding that few, if any, Fortune 500 companies can match the equal employment opportunity record of the military. The office is studying why young black men and women are not signing up.
The office also is studying the Hispanic population in America. Census records say Hispanics are the largest minority group in the United States. Young Hispanic men and women have a strong tendency to serve in the military, though so far, only the Marine Corps has been "able to break the code" to get significant numbers of recruits, Gilroy said.
On the socioeconomic side, the military is strongly middle class, Gilroy said. More recruits are drawn from the middle class and fewer are coming from poorer and wealthier families. Recruits from poorer families are actually underrepresented in the military, Gilroy said.
Other trends are that the number of recruits from wealthier families is increasing, and the number of recruits from suburban areas has increased. This also tracks that young men and women from the middle class are serving in the military.
Young men and women from urban areas are not volunteering, Gilroy said. In fact, urban areas provide far fewer recruits as a percentage of the total population than small towns and rural areas.
DoD and the services will use these statistics and more to craft their recruiting policies, Gilroy said.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/demographics.htm
--and just out yesterday--
Army to hit 2006 recruit goal
http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...C_0_US-IRAQ-USA-RECRUITING.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
Neverteaseit
Got a question on Iraq that I have wondered about.
In Nam we never had to shine a boot--went 3 or 4 months at a time without haircut--never had unform with our actual name on it as we pull them out of general supplys--steel pots and flak jackets were optional ect--am curious if things changed any since then in a war zone.
Got a question on Iraq that I have wondered about.
In Nam we never had to shine a boot--went 3 or 4 months at a time without haircut--never had unform with our actual name on it as we pull them out of general supplys--steel pots and flak jackets were optional ect--am curious if things changed any since then in a war zone.
Well on the boots there no need to shine them since we wore desert issue boots. With the adaption of the new ACU uniform boot shining we be obsolete since all will be wearing the desert boot with regular issue. ACU uniform will be the standard issue sometime for all Army personnel in the year 2007.
Haircuts, shaving and everything else is still required there. Name tags are on everything and most wore blood type also on sleeve of uniform so info could be relayed back to tmc in case of severe injury. Some of us also wear our names in arabic (not required) for the locals to know who we are so they would be familiar seeing us and feel more comfortable. No bolo badges (CIB, CAB, Pathfinder etc.) are supposed to be worn on uniform in theatre. They are for garrison purpose only. This is for the ACU only.
A haircut is only 3.00 and it is cut by hadji who man all the aaafes barbershops in Iraq. And they give excellent haircuts with a massage thrown in on top.
Flak vest, and kevlar (helmet) are required at all times once you leave the perimiter. Some bases require u to wear 24/7. In baghdad this was not required 24/7 on base. But in the sunni triangle. the Muhammadiyah base we had to wear it 24/7 since it was mortared and fired upon constantly.
Haircuts, shaving and everything else is still required there. Name tags are on everything and most wore blood type also on sleeve of uniform so info could be relayed back to tmc in case of severe injury. Some of us also wear our names in arabic (not required) for the locals to know who we are so they would be familiar seeing us and feel more comfortable. No bolo badges (CIB, CAB, Pathfinder etc.) are supposed to be worn on uniform in theatre. They are for garrison purpose only. This is for the ACU only.
A haircut is only 3.00 and it is cut by hadji who man all the aaafes barbershops in Iraq. And they give excellent haircuts with a massage thrown in on top.
Flak vest, and kevlar (helmet) are required at all times once you leave the perimiter. Some bases require u to wear 24/7. In baghdad this was not required 24/7 on base. But in the sunni triangle. the Muhammadiyah base we had to wear it 24/7 since it was mortared and fired upon constantly.
No djv no sexxy looks for the girly boys. Off the collar and above the ears is the requirment. No fades, designs or anything hip hop allowed. Only thing that has drastically changed is the allowance of tatoo's now. Before tatoo's were not allowed on arms below sleeve of class b short sleeve shirt. No they are allowed. This was done to enhance recruiting since tatoo's are now considered a fashion statement so they say. Piercings are still disallowed by military policy.
A funny story about piercings. When I was deploying a soldier showed up with a lock thru his penis. This is no joke. He disclosed that he had alock thru his penis to the medical staff during in - processing. They ask him to remove it. he said he didn't have the key to do so. So they had it removed before he was cleared to ship.
Braces are also not allowed in a combat zone. Some had to have there braces removed before shipping. Due to the fact that we don't have fully equipped dentist in the field. But when I arrived in Iraq I did see some soldiers with braces so go figure.
A funny story about piercings. When I was deploying a soldier showed up with a lock thru his penis. This is no joke. He disclosed that he had alock thru his penis to the medical staff during in - processing. They ask him to remove it. he said he didn't have the key to do so. So they had it removed before he was cleared to ship.
Braces are also not allowed in a combat zone. Some had to have there braces removed before shipping. Due to the fact that we don't have fully equipped dentist in the field. But when I arrived in Iraq I did see some soldiers with braces so go figure.
interesting--thanks
Never thought about the piercings--wasn't any back in my day--would have shuddered at thought of someone trying to make it through boot camp with pirecings
Good upgrade on Kevlar pots--the steel ones used to weigh a ton and would not where them for that reason.
Never thought about the piercings--wasn't any back in my day--would have shuddered at thought of someone trying to make it through boot camp with pirecings
Good upgrade on Kevlar pots--the steel ones used to weigh a ton and would not where them for that reason.
Them Pots were heavy as hell after about 3 hours.
And the first rifle we used the old M-1 was heavy after a few hours to. The old carbine was much easier but not as accurate. Tattoo's I saw them but they had to be concealed. DTB your right no piercing. In fact I'm very sure back in my day they would have been call pussies and the fight would have started 5 seconds later.
And the first rifle we used the old M-1 was heavy after a few hours to. The old carbine was much easier but not as accurate. Tattoo's I saw them but they had to be concealed. DTB your right no piercing. In fact I'm very sure back in my day they would have been call pussies and the fight would have started 5 seconds later.
LMAO djv. Funny though how times have changed. But as you all said before and will strongly agree if your a young man headed down the wrong path in life the military is a great place to make you a better man in the end.
I agree with the general sentiment that military service is a great benefit to many young folks who lack direction, but I strongly disagree that we should make it mandatory. Those ideas always come from old-timers who get too reactionary when they see kids acting up. I just object in principle to public policy being forced upon on one group of people when it is created by a separate group of people who won't be affected by it at all. I mean, you never see non-military folks under 26 proposing mandatory service.
On the issue of poor people (and/or minorities) entering the military, I'm reminded of a great quote that Nolan Dalla once wrote on this site: "Let me be a success in the military so that my sons may be a success in business and so my grandsons may be a success in the arts."
On the issue of poor people (and/or minorities) entering the military, I'm reminded of a great quote that Nolan Dalla once wrote on this site: "Let me be a success in the military so that my sons may be a success in business and so my grandsons may be a success in the arts."
"i see dumb people"/sixth sense
it never ceases to amaze me....when you disagree with liberals...."liberals"(check the definition).....they try shame and intimidate people into silencing the debate.....in this case with the chickenhawk fallacy..
spongy...i think i`ve pretty much punked this point of view in a previous thread.....back when you were a mere twinkle in madjack`s eye....and i can do it again if need be....
that`s lame,my man....if you were a gas,you`d be inert...
:thinking: "chickenhawk fallacy"...umm, yeah, it's a fallacy.
Republicans --
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom De Lay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." This is the man who attacked Max Cleland's
patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard duty; got assigned to Alabama
so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required
medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Intentionally enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although he continued in the NFL for 8 years as
quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a pilonidal cyst.)
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
Republicans --
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom De Lay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." This is the man who attacked Max Cleland's
patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard duty; got assigned to Alabama
so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required
medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Intentionally enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although he continued in the NFL for 8 years as
quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a pilonidal cyst.)
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)
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funny,i didn`t see bill or hillary`s names on that list....
let me ask you this,jabberwocky.....
personally,i'm proud of the stories of soldiers heroic actions during the present conflict...when you can find them...you have to search them out thanks to the current state of our msm....
but i was completely and utterly awe struck by the selfless courage displayed by the passengers of the flight that crashed in pennsylvania....
i wonder... had the terrorist picked another flight, and had todd beemer survived and supported the war, would he be a "chicken hawk"? ....
let me ask you this,jabberwocky.....
personally,i'm proud of the stories of soldiers heroic actions during the present conflict...when you can find them...you have to search them out thanks to the current state of our msm....
but i was completely and utterly awe struck by the selfless courage displayed by the passengers of the flight that crashed in pennsylvania....
i wonder... had the terrorist picked another flight, and had todd beemer survived and supported the war, would he be a "chicken hawk"? ....
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11 of the 12 Iraq vets running for congress in November are Democrats. Please keep this in mind when discussing current chickenhawk demographics.
I think Jabberwockey's point is that the most pro-war (particularly this war) pundits managed to avoid service. I doubt Bill or Hillary would have invaded Iraq - thus they couldn't get the chickenhawk label.
I think Jabberwockey's point is that the most pro-war (particularly this war) pundits managed to avoid service. I doubt Bill or Hillary would have invaded Iraq - thus they couldn't get the chickenhawk label.
Of all your bizarre hypotheticals not connected to the discussion, this one is ......well......out there.
Are you implying that Jabberwockey is against the heros of the Pennsylvania crash?
Jabberwockey, are you against the actions of the passengers of the downed Pennsylvania flight? ....Because somehow your pointing out of service hypocracy by the most hawkish elements of our leadership and media apparently indicate that you are.:nono:
