sports illustrated opens the racism jar, what exactly constitutes racism??

[shamrock]

actually Maddux completed more passes at a higher percentage for more yards than McNabb also. Yaa your correct McNabb is not nearly over rated. He is a average at best, probably more realistic below average quarterback that road the coat tails of a fantastic defense last season and in 2001. Thank Christ Philly gets to play Washington Dallas & Giants multiple times, as those are defensive juggernaut teams. I only wish New England & Bellchick can scheme against him for the Super Bowl, did you see the first game Patriots played Philly?

Before shooting off your mouth and claiming racism everywhere you should check your facts & know what your talking about.

And just for the record, Jim Kelly & Buffalo pulled the ultimate choke losing 4 Super Bowls, but you want to wager anything on career numbers Kelly verse McNabb?? I'll be glad to match anything you want. McNabb will never run anything close to the effective offense Kelly Ran. Guaranteed.

 

[shamrock]

taking a closer look McNabb almost led the League in 1 statistic, SACKS TAKEN 43, HE FINISHED SECOND. ONLY TO BLEDSOE WHO HAD 49. even with the terrible season, Bledsoe completed higher percentage of passes than McNabb


Nick not sure I can even get in a discussion with you. Anyone grouping Bird, Jason Williams & SeHorn in the same argument, I'm not sure that even requires a response. Dawgball covered that effectively. In case you never checked Bird is in the NBA 50 greatest players, most consider in top 20, Magic Johnson considers him the greatest he ever played against, you should check his all time numbers sometime, scoring rebounds percentage scoring, assists steals, minutes played, complete player with relatively short career due to injury. But he is not Jason Williams, that's for sure.

 

[Nick Douglas]

You guys are missing the point. All three guys gained more popularity because they were white men excelling at a game dominated by black athletes. Obviously Bird was a hell of a lot better than the other two but the principle of what I am saying is the same. Bird would have been incredibly popular no matter what color he was, but if you don't think the fact that he's white helped his popularity, you're crazy.

 

[ferdville]

There have been several valid points made by all. I think we make too much of racism when in most cases it is simply as Nick says (and I seldom agree with him) that people tend to root for their own kind. Don't confuse this with people rooting against those dissimilar to themselves. This isn't always the case, but often is. The 2000 census had 71% of the U.S. population as white and 12% black. If we take Nick's point at face value, it isn't hard to see that what some may call racism isn't that at all.

 

[djv]

GardenWeasel It's always intersting when race is mentioned or brought up. It's so easy to insert a collor. Be it pink black or white. My point you could have said at the hospital you ran into many people you were not happy about. Thats all you had to say. Then I or Anyone Else good say I wonder if he means black, white or what ever. Maybe even some red necks out of the south with cow chit on there boots. We could have just guessed. Then you add I grew up with blacks and don't dislike them. Why did you have to even say that. It sounded like excuses for not likeing them. I mean the subject was about a QB in the NFL.

 

[gardenweasel]

djv...you missed the point...

djv...you missed the point...

and helped make it at the same time....good work....

in case you missed it,the topic of the thread was

"sports illustrated opens the racism jar, what exactly constitutes racism??"

limbaugh`s politically incorrect comments were a part of shammy`s opening points.....as i stated,limbaugh should have known better...i consider him a jackas-....and as i said,knowing the situation and today`s climate,he got spanked...i don`t feel sorry for him...never liked the guy...



i pointed out how difficult political correctness can make everyday life....using the hospital experience as my case in point....the gentleman that i alluded to was given a wide berth by all hospital employees...his disruptive behavior and lack of consideration was basically given a pass by bringing up the race issue.....

he behaved like a total s-it....and basically got away with it...BECAUSE he introduced the race issue...

i believe i stated that being in rooms with 2 black guys that had no clue regarding decorum in a hospital setting was the luck of the draw....could have easily been two moronic,pathetic white guys....i said that...reread my panel...

but,the racial aspect of the situation made it very difficult to deal with....every person on that floor wanted that guy out of there...black and white....people were gravely ill on that floor...the guy should have been restrained or quarantined for the good of the other patients...

and that was the opening topic of this discussion...

and then you further drove "my" point home by stating that i "dislike black people " because i used an example of a black guy that acted like an as- and was given a pass because he challenged the staff by crying racism....and that was his main theme...maybe i didn`t make that perfectly clear in my post......

i obviously cannot use a black person as an example in a thread regarding racism without being called a racist or a hater...

political correctness again used as a weapon by an unarmed man....

i don`t like political correctness...i call `em as i see `em.....

i don`t think people should be fired for making vague staements that are open to interpretation....or saying what they truly think...
.whether we like it or not......agree with it or disagree with it....

i`m not talking about"kill all white people" or"kill all the black people".....i`m not talking about crying fire in a crowded theatre......


i don`t think charles barkley should have been fired for some of his stupid comments.....nor reggie white.....or dusty baker....

or al campanis....or jimmy the greek.....or anybody.....

i doubt that any of the above gentlemen made their respective faux pas`with real malice aforethought.....most were gaffs...or said out of sheer ignorance....apologies should have been expected....and received...issue over....

it`s all insane...

and i would hope that you are above making assinine,kneejerk assumptions based on an opinion in a thread that was about donovan mcnabb and the subject of political correctness and racism...

george orwell is probably smiling from ear to ear...

djv....don`t make those types of accusations about people....it`s unfair....and pisses some people off...

 

[shamrock]

Garden, thank you for your post, it hits the nail exactly on the head of what I was talking about. Seems you can't have any honest opinion about some things, without being painted or labeled racist etc. etc.

as I said previously I don't even like Rusch Limbaugh remotely, actually disagree with the overwhelming majority of what he says, although I don't even catch much of what he says, because I can't even stand listening to his rants. Without question he was brought to ESPN to provide a edge, to initiate spark, to push the proverbial envelope. He did, and it cost him his job, what I'm saying is I can't even disagree with what he said, Donovan Mcnabb is without any doubt over rated, anyone who doesn't agree, please review some NFL statistics. Anyone however that has the opinion that he is over rated is, Can, and without qualification be labeled racist etc.

mind you if I said Collins or Bledsoe were over rated, some would agree, some would assign different opinions such as the offensive line sucks, offensive coordinator etc..

have a negative opinion about Mcnabb, your labeled racist, there is always someone like edludes djv or Nick that will immediately half cocked run around claiming racism. Whether as exhibited on this forum, if they know even one single thing about you' other than a screen name.

Best
shamrock

 

[shamrock]

BTW-its incredibly interesting in the same segment that Limbaugh was fired, Michael Irvin concurred exactly with what Limbaugh said, his quote was "I have to agree, you have a definite point." Interesting he wasn't punished or painted all over the news & National media as racist.

Although inflammatory, this shi t sells nicely, which is precisely why Mcnabb is on the cover of Sports Illustrated with the label "rush to judgment, or whatever it says, I forget now.

 

[StevieD]

Limbaugh wasn't fired over the sentence that McNab is over rated. He was fired when he brought racism in it when he said he is over rated because he is black. That is a stupid and inflamatory statement to make.

 

[Turfgrass]

Not that I'm defending Rush, but he didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad quarterback because he is black. He said that the media has overrated McNabb because he is black.

Rush's Statement:

"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

And I also think the NFL has some social concerns about Black coaches and players. Anybody remember Detroit being fined for not interviewing a black coach?

Remember I'm not defending Rush, but I don't believe what he said was as bad as some people wanted it to sound.

 

[shamrock]

agree 100% turf, and I'm not even a Limbaugh Fan. I think without question Mcnabb receive very generous portion of benefit for a team that had a incredible defense. I also don't see how anyone with a brain couldn't rationally conclude, if the NFL powers that be mandated the situation regarding black coaches in the NFL, How and why would they not be "desirous" for black quarterbacks to succeed?

 

[djv]

Gardenweasel Racism! Sorry I guess I just could not get where you were going. How we ended up in a hospital with blacks that made you angry. Just seemed so far from the subject. And im still not sure if you felt you had to be politicaly correct in high school. Or you felt it started then. Hey to me this chit all started way back late 50's early 60's. But it was about more then just black or white.

 

[dawgball]

And there you have it. It's not really Rush's comments that got him in trouble.

Hey to me this chit all started way back late 50's early 60's. But it was about more then just black or white.

So Rush is the fall guy because the network did not want to have this hammer fall on them. I can't stand Rush Limbaugh, but I think he got the shaft on this one. I'm glad he's off the show, but I don't think how it happened is right. Because this country is eat up with political correctness, white people have to be very careful what topics they comment on.

 

[djv]

Hey what about Jimmy the Greek. Not so sure what he was trying to say was wrong. The slave owners did try to mate there strongest pairs. This was written about in books. Rush only mistake was his mention of a color. And the real mistake was even haveing him on the show. He knew little about what the hell they talked about.

 

[dawgball]

And the real mistake was even haveing him on the show.

I knew we could do it, djv! We found something that we agree on! This is a mementous occassion!:spotting:

Jimmy the Greek's comment was way more insensitive than Rush's, but I don't think he should have had his career ruined for a somewhat truthful comment. He was definitely in poor taste, and I think his comment brewed from a dislike for blacks so a different situation alltogether.