will the lack of a tough schedule hurt st joe tonight.i have to think wake is better than tx tech.since early dec. i picked out 4 games -boston college,xavier twice and tx tech from the hawks'schedule. nelson and west take about 60% of the shots. losing to the x men they were 11-35 but in the earlier win they were 23-30.they took 133 of the 228 shots in those 4 games.got to think wake has experience guarding redick,mccants,felton,duhon,ewing,pickett,hodge,jack,billet,elder and gillcrest. seems like wake should be able to shut 1 of these guys down. either play wake and over or play st joe and under.
st joe -wake game
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Wake may have experience guarding those ACC players but they really haven't had much success stopping anyone. If WF has to rely on their defense to win this game, they are in big trouble.
Re: st joe -wake game
why are you even bothering with this game? as with the ponies, some races are impossible to handicap, and this is no different; just go with the big east teams in the other 3 games and you go 2-1 at worstlowell said:
gl on your plays
after last nights debacle on the total, staying away from 'em....but would lean to the unders tonight:shrug:
after last nights debacle on the total, staying away from 'em....but would lean to the unders tonight:shrug:
I agree with you Wake is a better team than Texas Tech, but I think trying to cap Joe's is a tough nut. The A-10 has played quite well this tourney and Xavier has made it out to the sweet 16 (it helps that Louisville had one of the biggest meltdowns of any team this year) but still Joe's has not played the competition that Wake has for the season. I will say this I doubt if Wake could of played Saint Joes schedule and run the table as Joes did, but I also wonder just what Joe's record would of been if they had played in the ACC? Bottom line on this game is that Joes is going to win at the small positions (guards) and for Wake to win they will need to control the paint and own the bounds.
in the acc st joe would do as well as nc st and that was 11-5.justin gray only had 6 points last game and i look for him to have good game . being 1st team all acc he is solid. prosser may not start eric wiliams to help with foul problems. the biggest problem i have with playing wake as a large play is they have played quite poorly since beating cincy and duke 3 weeks ago. st joe has been more consistant all year.
Capper not to diss St Joe's but there are alot of team imo that would have run that schedule. Even with X's nice run, that conference is terrible. And while St Joe's non-conf RPI was ranked #1, it is hard to see how. Only significant opponent was Gonzaga on the east coast without Turiaf. You telling me St Joe's would be unbeaten playing Wake, Duke, Arizona and Providence (like Texas did) or Michigan Stae or Kentucky's schedule? I think the NCState analogy is probably accurate. That said those guards can certainly run the table - you hit 70% 3's you are going to beat anybody. But IMO if Wake and St Joe's both bring their A games Wake wins.
Something is telling me WF shows up for this game.
IMO Wakes last two opponents where much more worthy than what Joe's faced. I am going against what I normally do in possibly taking a team that is very weak minded defensively, but looking at what Joes has done defensively over the last five games, I see things possibly evening out.
WF played a much tougher schedule, including their last two. Joes allowed Xavier to shoot 71% from the floor. More importantly, they allowed the offensive juggernaut Texas Tech to shoot 47%. I think Joes may be getting into uncharted waters here were as WF is perfectly at home, defense or no defense, in these later games. They already had their close call. They are also not getting the attention here which may give them more reason to focus. I think you are seeing the real St Joes and the capabilities of their defense being exposed this late in the season now that they aren't in conference. WF is beaten on all year and they are what they are. I'm starting to think Wake has a much better chance in a shootout. WF's last game against Manhattan I think really helps them coming into tonight. I think Joes not being a big time in conference foe or an unknown dog, the fact that they are the hunted and the one getting all the attention in this matchup, will favor WF.
Note:
Against the one lone similar opponent, WF shot better and defended better, with more rebounds.
Joes is 0-8 ATS against good shooting teams in the second half of the season.
Post season tourney games, WF is 11-5 SU (the one big year included of course), Joes is 4-3 SU.
In March games, WF 21-14 SU, Joes 11-14 SU.
WF out rebounds their opponents in road games by 4, while Joes is out rebounded by 5 on theroad.
As bad as WF is defensively, they still outscored opponents of a much tougher schedule by 3 on the year.
IMO Wakes last two opponents where much more worthy than what Joe's faced. I am going against what I normally do in possibly taking a team that is very weak minded defensively, but looking at what Joes has done defensively over the last five games, I see things possibly evening out.
WF played a much tougher schedule, including their last two. Joes allowed Xavier to shoot 71% from the floor. More importantly, they allowed the offensive juggernaut Texas Tech to shoot 47%. I think Joes may be getting into uncharted waters here were as WF is perfectly at home, defense or no defense, in these later games. They already had their close call. They are also not getting the attention here which may give them more reason to focus. I think you are seeing the real St Joes and the capabilities of their defense being exposed this late in the season now that they aren't in conference. WF is beaten on all year and they are what they are. I'm starting to think Wake has a much better chance in a shootout. WF's last game against Manhattan I think really helps them coming into tonight. I think Joes not being a big time in conference foe or an unknown dog, the fact that they are the hunted and the one getting all the attention in this matchup, will favor WF.
Note:
Against the one lone similar opponent, WF shot better and defended better, with more rebounds.
Joes is 0-8 ATS against good shooting teams in the second half of the season.
Post season tourney games, WF is 11-5 SU (the one big year included of course), Joes is 4-3 SU.
In March games, WF 21-14 SU, Joes 11-14 SU.
WF out rebounds their opponents in road games by 4, while Joes is out rebounded by 5 on theroad.
As bad as WF is defensively, they still outscored opponents of a much tougher schedule by 3 on the year.
