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I know ASU has not been covering or let alone winning this year. But stanford is a very bad team and even worse now that they lost their starting QB Edwards for the year. This is homecoming for ASU and I believe they should cover by the first half.

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having been at the stanford arizona game last weekend and with sideline passes let me clear a few things up

STANFORD IS HORRIBLE.....think of a bad team and stanford is 10x worse

they have no talent, no size, in fact they are midgets (arizona towered over them and arizona is a relatively small team) and now that they have ostrander at the qb position they cant pass the ball and walt harris is a terrible coach and i dont think many players/coaches can stand the guy (look for him to be fired after this year even though he just got there last year)

not saying asu covers (even though i think they do) because koetter is a moron but i would never lay a dime on stanford the rest of the year
 

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I am on Stanford for one reason only.

ASU just lost to USC, close game at that!

Check out what teams have been doing all year after losing to USC.

*Arkansas beat Utah St. 20-0 (not cover)

*Nebraska beat Nichols St. 56-7 (who cares div. 2)

*Arizona lost Washington 20-10 (not cover)

**(NOW IS WHEN I JUMPED ON THIS TREND)

*Washington St. beat Oregon St. 13-6 (barely covered) :mad:

*Washington lost Oregon St. (not cover, lost outright)

So I am 1-1 ATS but teams are 1-3 ATS week after playing USC. ALL teams struggled the following week. Makes sense. They give USC everything they got. It is their GOY outside their rivalry game.

I am on Stanford +22.5 for this reason and this reason only. Small play.
 
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none of those teams are as bad as stanford (with ostrander at qb), not even utah state or nichols state
 

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BAD TEAMS still score double digits against ASU. That means ASU needs to score at least 30pts to have chance at covering the spread. I don't think ASU will be very interested in playing Stanford week after USC.

22.5 is a lot of points and generally you need a strong defense to cover large spreads. ASU is not known for a strong defense, and I also don't think you will see a motivated defense. They let it all hang against USC last week!

Only 1 team has scored over 40pts against Stanford. 2 TD's is prob.all Stanford needs to get the cover! ASU never holds bad teams to under double digits.
 

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2 td's.....stanford is pathetic....they cant block, they dont attempt to pass, they have no receivers, and they have no interest in a backdoor cover as they will continue to run straight up the middle

they run game is similar to edgerin james vs the bears on monday night

and i agree asu defense stinks and i cant stand them but i dont see stanford getting to dd without fluke plays
 

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scott I completely argee with you in the case that when after playing usc teams seem to lose interest> in ASUs case they seem to lose interest after any loss. Just figure that stanford is just to bad a team with the worst rush defense in the league. Think torian for ASU will have a monster day.

Either way good luck on your play
 

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Sneek, I look for Carpenter to have a big day. I think Koetter takes this opportunity to get Rudy ome confidence back on a secondary that he can light up all day. I expect ASU to come out with screen passes and the typical misdirection plays you will see from ASU. Of course if Stanford has any success on offense or stoppin the pass ASU could just hop on Torians back - he is very good.
 

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I get the argument Stanford is bad and most teams should blow them out. Good reasoning to take ASU and ASU def. can cover. It usually is a safe bet betting AGAINST bad teams. ;)

I am only taking Stanford because I am betting against teams after they play USC. I am 1-1 ATS. Wished I did this from the get go. I be up 3-1 ATS.

Anyways, I tried making a solid argument why Stanford will cover.

My #1 rule in taking big favorites is you need a strong defense to cover large spreads. IMO that is a must. ASU doesn't have a strong defense AND ASU will likely not have a motivated D.

ASU seems to ALWAYS give up double digits to BAD teams. Stanford is a BAD team but they are capable of scoring 2 TD's in 4 quarters.

ASU also plays DOWN to their opponents. History of that.

USC has way more talent than Arizona, WSU, UW, and ASU. Yet all those teams found a way to hang with USC. Stanford just needs to lose by less than 22.5 pts. Stanford should be the more motivated team in this game. That should be enough to hang within 3 TD's.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am only on Stanford for small play.
 

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believe me....i was on the sidelines, heard the press conf last week, saw the team in person, coming out of the locker room

in no-way-shape or form is stanford a motivated team........my personal opinion is they hate their coach, they have little d1 talent (let alone bcs conf talent) have many players injured who would be worth a damn, and that they are smart enough to realize that they cant compete (and probably beleive their coach is getting fired in 5 games anyway)...........

i wouldnt wager on stanford vs anybody no matter what the line........20-7 was a joke last weekend, it very well could have been 40-0 if arizona had an offense and somebody other than a walk-on and then third stringer at qb

i realize asu defense stinks but i still think they are leaps and bounds better than stanfords offense

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Stanford sucks.
ASU just played 3 excellent teams in a row, now they get a cake walk.
Just the drop in competition will make them excel even if they dont mean to.
 

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Good info gjn23. You are prob. right. If what you say is true, Stanford will get smoked. IF ASU jumps on them early.

Stanford sucks.
ASU just played 3 excellent teams in a row, now they get a cake walk.
Just the drop in competition will make them excel even if they dont mean to.

Good point. @CAL, Oregon, @USC is prob. the toughest 3 game stretch in the nation.
 

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update

tc ostradner, backup now starting qb for stanford, is listed as doubtful

not sure if that is a good or bad thing for stanford, as he played every series last week (but the first) after edwards went down and couldnt throw and his coaches refused to call any passes......even when trailing in the second half.....i think he attempted 3 or 4 passes (and by the way, they couldnt run either)

i have no idea who their qb is now, but if someone in an "educated" position on that staff had ostrander higher in the depth chart than whoever is next, i would be cringing if i were a stanford fan (or had money on them)
 

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Arizona St. 38
Stanford 3

Good call sneek and gjn23.

It appears ASU had no trouble the week after playing USC. Or is Stanford really as bad as gjn23 claims.

What surprises me the most is Stanford only scoring 3pts. ASU always lets opponents score in double digits. Props to ASU D. Back to back solid performances.
 
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stanford is as bad as i think and probably a lot worse than you can imagine

last week 54 yards of offense

today 145 and that includes a 49 yard run when asu had no players on the field

:)

6-25 from the starting qb??

a defense that allows the opp qb to go 17-19

in the words of bill walton:

stanford is hooooooooorible
 
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